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Unread 08-06-2008, 04:22 PM   #1
Ar Q
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Can I install from another CDROM instead of renewal?

My subscription of Norton Internet Security 2006 will expire in about one
month. I can paid $60 to renew for one year. But I see the new NIS 2006 on
sale at EBAY for $14.

Can I uninstall my NIS 2006 then re-install using the new CD-ROM and a new
key?

I used to install new versions of NIS 2 years behind. I mean I installed NIS
2001 in year 2003, NIS 2002 in year 2004. You get the idea. Because I can
always buy new versions of NIS for $15 instead of paying $60 for one year
renewal. This won't work any more since NIS 2007 doesn't support Windows
2000 so I will stuck with NIS 2006 if I stay with Symantec.

If the answer to my question is no, what other anti-virus&firewall product
do you guys recommend? Thanks.

Ar Q


 
Unread 08-06-2008, 04:22 PM   #2
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Re: Can I install from another CDROM instead of renewal?

Ar Q wrote:
> My subscription of Norton Internet Security 2006 will expire in about one
> month. I can paid $60 to renew for one year. But I see the new NIS 2006 on
> sale at EBAY for $14.
>
> Can I uninstall my NIS 2006 then re-install using the new CD-ROM and a new
> key?
>
> I used to install new versions of NIS 2 years behind. I mean I installed NIS
> 2001 in year 2003, NIS 2002 in year 2004. You get the idea. Because I can
> always buy new versions of NIS for $15 instead of paying $60 for one year
> renewal. This won't work any more since NIS 2007 doesn't support Windows
> 2000 so I will stuck with NIS 2006 if I stay with Symantec.
>
> If the answer to my question is no, what other anti-virus&firewall product
> do you guys recommend? Thanks.
>
> Ar Q
>
>


Try Avast or AVG8.0
 
Unread 08-06-2008, 08:23 PM   #3
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"Ar Q" wrote in <news:lu-dnfJytcKpZ9bVnZ2dnUVZ_qPinZ2d@earthlink.com>:

> My subscription of Norton Internet Security 2006 will expire in about one
> month. I can paid $60 to renew for one year. But I see the new NIS 2006 on
> sale at EBAY for $14.
>
> Can I uninstall my NIS 2006 then re-install using the new CD-ROM and a new
> key?


So why not just uninstall NIS 2006, clean out the remnants from the
registry and files, run Norton's cleanup utility, and simply reinstall
the copy of NIS 2006 that you already have?

> I used to install new versions of NIS 2 years behind. I mean I installed NIS
> 2001 in year 2003, NIS 2002 in year 2004. You get the idea. Because I can
> always buy new versions of NIS for $15 instead of paying $60 for one year
> renewal.


No, you aren't installing a new version. As you state, you ARE
installing an old version. A new install is not the same as a new
version.

> This won't work any more since NIS 2007 doesn't support Windows
> 2000 so I will stuck with NIS 2006 if I stay with Symantec.


Or you find replacements for the components within the NIS suite, many
of which, if not all, can be replaced with free software.

> If the answer to my question is no, what other anti-virus&firewall product
> do you guys recommend? Thanks.


That should be a new thread to accomodate the plethora of various
opinions. Post over in the alt.spam group to ask about anti-virus
software. There is also a comp.security.firewall and other groups for
asking about firewalls. Since you are asking about products that run on
Windows, you might want to ask over in the Microsoft security groups.

Check with your own ISP. Many now offer a security package. My ISP
provides McAfee suite (anti-virus, firewall, privacy) for free as long
as I remain their customer. It's good but had the nasty habit of doing
an update while I was busy using the computer and would cause
hestitation or interfere with responsiveness of my host. Many consider
McAfee and Norton

I used Sygate's firewall for awhile but someone bought them up (probably
Symantec) to make that product disappear as a competitor. It's still a
good firewall but its heuristic algorithms would be half a decade old
now. After leaving McAfee with its firewall, I have used Comodo's
firewall. Version 2.4 is simpler to use than version 3 which added HIPS
(host intrusion protection system). HIPS lets you control if a program
is allowed to load, so you need to answer a lot of prompts. Comodo also
tracks who was the caller of a program to make sure the parent program
was also authorized to load and that it has permission to run the child
program. You can probably disable HIPS in Comodo's firewall or go back
to version 2.4 if you don't want that level of control (and all the
prompts). Another reason why I left Comodo was that it would forget its
rules. Sometimes they weren't applied. Sometimes it wouldn't remember
there was a rule already for a particular program or the parent that
called it, so you'd get prompted again. I then went to Online Armor
which is a HIPS program but added a firewall as of version 2. It does
not track the parent-child relationship as does Comodo but it is also an
easier firewall to use. Both Comodo and OA are the most bullet-proof
firewalls availble in resisting malware from stopping or neutering them.
The free version of OA does not an auto-update function, and the manual
update option is disabled (you must provide your e-mail address during
the install to receive e-mail notifications of updates). OA includes a
whitelist database of known good programs to reduce the number of
prompts as to what programs its Program Guard (HIPS) will allow to load,
along with an option to not show a popup when it first allows that known
good program to load to create a rule for it. The Program Guard and
Firewall can be separately disabled when you need to do so, like during
an install or when you have networking troubles. I've trialed ZoneAlarm
but got rid of it. Don't remember all the reasons except that it fared,
to me, as a mediocre firewall. Same for CA's EzArmor.

I used Norton's AV but stopped back in 2003. It's okay but had some
problems, like its transparent proxy going unresponsive which usually
required a reboot (although, with repeated communications with Symantec,
I figured out how to write a batch file to stop and restart their
processes in the correct order which worked half the time to get their
proxy working again to eliminate having to reboot). In contrast to the
consumer-grade Norton products, the Symantec corporate edition
anti-virus product is very good. McAfee's VirusScan is okay but not at
top coverage; see http://www.av-comparatives.org to see how various AV
products fared in testing. AV products not shown didn't meet their
minimum requirements, like detecting at least 87% of their pest sample.
There are other AV products with higher coverage than McAfee but then I
was getting the free version of VirusScan whereas the free versions of
the other AV products with higher coverage had features disabled, like
script blocking or white/ignore lists. The comparative testing was on
the full version so with features missing in the free version the McAfee
stuff wasn't much worse. However, I left McAfee and went to AVG off and
on. The free 7.5 version didn't include an ignorelist so when it had a
false positive, I could report it but have to wait until someday when
Grisoft chose to update the database, if they did (some products, like
Nirsoft, they refuse to consider as good software although it is always
the user's choice to install them). That meant losing access to the
file until they updated their database or disabling AVG while using that
program which left you vulnerable in the meantime. They might've added
an ignorelist in version 8 but I got fed up with the "extras" they
included in that version: a nag drop-down pane to advertise their
product (i.e., v8 became adware), inclusion of LinkScanner which can
slow web browsing (to remove, you need to uninstall and reinstall),
changing the tray icon to make AVG look disabled if you choose to
disable just the e-mail scanning module (so, again, you have to
uninstall and custom reinstall to deselect the e-mail scan module), and
users have been reporting far more problems with v8 than when they used
v7. I went to Avast! which is very good. The only reason why I left
Avast! is the lack of an ignorelist for the on-access (realtime)
scanner. The ignorelist only works for the on-demand scanner. That
meant a false positive would remain so until you reported it and they
updated their database; however, they are far more responsive than
Grisoft (AVG) regarding those reports and will send you e-mail regarding
the status of their reevaluation and get their database updated in a day
- but you are screwed with the false positive until they decided what to
do about it. I moved to Avira's AntiVir but there are known problems
with it. While Avira has the highest pest coverage, it also has a
higher rate of false positives than either Avast! or AVG. The free
version doesn't include e-mail scanning but then that is superfluous,
anyway. E-mail scanning doesn't improve the detection rate as the same
on-access scanner is used to interrogate e-mail traffic. If you get an
infected e-mail (which would have to be in an attachment that you save
and execute), the on-access scanner catches it. If the on-access
scanner doesn't detect the pest, neither will the pest get detected in
your e-mail. What e-mail scanning does is move earlier when the pest is
detected. It can be detected as the e-mail is delivered rather than
later if you ever attempt to decode the attachment out of your e-mail
and save it as a file. E-mail interrogation incurs delays in delivery
(to your e-mail client and to the mail server) which can cause timeouts.
Everyday there is someone that says, "Suddenly my e-mail stopped working
and the error says there was a timeout)." That means the AV scanner was
not delaying just enough to prevent the timeout but the user changed
their software configuration on their host or there was an auto-update
to the AV program that added more delay and now the timeouts occur.
Many AV products only intercept e-mail traffic over ports 110 (POP) and
25 (SMTP). I believe that is true for AVG. That means if you connect
to a different port on the mail host that the AV product won't
interrogate your e-mails. As I recall, you can configure Avast! to
intercept on multiple ports. Avira doesn't scan e-mail in the free
version (it does in the paid version) so it is a non-issue.

With McAfee's security monitors watching the system configuration and
registry, or Comodo's HIPS doing the same, I didn't need products like
Windows Defender or WinPatrol to prompt me when a program wanted to make
a system change, like adding a startup item. Online Armor has HIPS but
doesn't guard against system changes, like startup items, so I re-added
Windows Defender. I do NOT use Windows Defender to guard against
malware as its coverage is only around 44% (all anti-malware products
have low coverage and why you need to use a layered approach). I only
use WD to prompt me when there are system changes. Comodo's HIPS, SSM,
and other HIPS programs are better in that they pend the requested
change until you permit them (so you get the prompt). WD polls for
changes and tells you when it detected one. That means it detects the
change late; i.e., the program made the change and a minute later WD
will detect it, but the process is no longer running and why WD will
never tell you who made the change. WinPatrol works the same way by
polling for changes rather than intercepting them. McAfee's security
monitors would intercept the change request (so you could tell who was
trying to make the change). However, intercepting the changes incurs a
greater impact on the responsiveness of a host so the polling method is
sufficient for me while keeping my host a bit more snappy. I've used
ProcessGuard (defunct and rather useless now), System Safety Monitor
(SSM), Antihook, AppDefend (also a defunct program), Prevx (no longer
free) and other HIPS (http://tinyurl.com/33xxge), IDS
(http://tinyurl.com/68qhud), and IPS (http://tinyurl.com/26nv5f)
programs. Those that pend the changes also incur more performance
impact on the host and also incur more compatibility or interference
problems with applications.

That enough for you to start your analysis? Again, you might want to
post to the other groups mentioned above.
 
Unread 08-06-2008, 09:22 PM   #4
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"VanguardLH" <V@nguard.LH> wrote in message
news:h-qdncc4TM-kodHVnZ2dnUVZ_rCtnZ2d@comcast.com...
| "Ar Q" wrote in
<news:lu-dnfJytcKpZ9bVnZ2dnUVZ_qPinZ2d@earthlink.com>:
|
| > My subscription of Norton Internet Security 2006 will expire
in about one
| > month. I can paid $60 to renew for one year. But I see the new
NIS 2006 on
| > sale at EBAY for $14.
| >
| > Can I uninstall my NIS 2006 then re-install using the new
CD-ROM and a new
| > key?
|
| So why not just uninstall NIS 2006, clean out the remnants from
the
| registry and files, run Norton's cleanup utility, and simply
reinstall
| the copy of NIS 2006 that you already have?
|

Because since NIS 2003(?), Symantec checks the CD key when you
download the antivirus definitions and software updates. Each CD
comes with one or three CD key(s) after NIS 2003. After a CD key
has been activated, it expires in 365 days.


 
Unread 08-06-2008, 11:20 PM   #5
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"Ar Q" wrote in <news:HsadnaxJF6Xh1NHVnZ2dnUVZ_jmdnZ2d@earthlink.c om>:

> "VanguardLH" <V@nguard.LH> wrote in message
> news:h-qdncc4TM-kodHVnZ2dnUVZ_rCtnZ2d@comcast.com...
>| "Ar Q" wrote in
> <news:lu-dnfJytcKpZ9bVnZ2dnUVZ_qPinZ2d@earthlink.com>:
>|
>|> My subscription of Norton Internet Security 2006 will expire
> in about one
>|> month. I can paid $60 to renew for one year. But I see the new
> NIS 2006 on
>|> sale at EBAY for $14.
>|>
>|> Can I uninstall my NIS 2006 then re-install using the new
> CD-ROM and a new
>|> key?
>|
>| So why not just uninstall NIS 2006, clean out the remnants from
> the
>| registry and files, run Norton's cleanup utility, and simply
> reinstall
>| the copy of NIS 2006 that you already have?
>|
>
> Because since NIS 2003(?), Symantec checks the CD key when you
> download the antivirus definitions and software updates. Each CD
> comes with one or three CD key(s) after NIS 2003. After a CD key
> has been activated, it expires in 365 days.


They're getting trickier.

Yes, the program updates cease after expiration but does that also mean
the signature updates also cease?
 
Unread 09-06-2008, 05:25 AM   #6
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On Sun, 8 Jun 2008 11:25:39 -0400, "Ar Q" <ArthurQ283@hottmail.com>
wrote:

[...]

>If the answer to my question is no, what other anti-virus&firewall product
>do you guys recommend? Thanks.


Give Nod32 a try. http://www.eset.com/
 
Unread 09-06-2008, 08:15 AM   #7
Ar Q
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"ruens" <posted@usenet.group> wrote in message
news:AB23k.431387$qg2.418689@fe08.news.easynews.co m...
| On Sun, 8 Jun 2008 11:25:39 -0400, "Ar Q"
<ArthurQ283@hottmail.com>
| wrote:
|
| [...]
|
| >If the answer to my question is no, what other
anti-virus&firewall product
| >do you guys recommend? Thanks.
|
| Give Nod32 a try. http://www.eset.com/

I bought CA Internet Security Suite Plus 2008. It is on sale at
Circuit City this week. Only $9 for one year. What a bargain.

Also on sale at Office Depot-- McAfee Total Protection (their top
of the line- Internet Security Suite plus Home Network protection
and Live Advisor), this one would cost me $20 if I had chosen
them. I doubt anyone will pay Symantec $60 for subscription
renewal, especailly after Symantec drops Windows 2000 support.

Ar Q


 
Unread 09-06-2008, 10:18 AM   #8
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On Mon, 9 Jun 2008 03:53:36 -0400, "Ar Q" <ArthurQ283@hottmail.com>
wrote:

[..]
>I bought CA Internet Security Suite Plus 2008. It is on sale at
>Circuit City this week. Only $9 for one year. What a bargain.


You should have saved your money.
 
Unread 09-06-2008, 02:20 PM   #9
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"ruens" wrote in <news:V873k.127637$RG7.79354@fe09.news.easynews.co m>:

> On Mon, 9 Jun 2008 03:53:36 -0400, "Ar Q" <ArthurQ283@hottmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> [..]
>>I bought CA Internet Security Suite Plus 2008. It is on sale at
>>Circuit City this week. Only $9 for one year. What a bargain.

>
> You should have saved your money.


A definite waste of $9 (you could've gotten the anti-virus product for
free, but other free products are better). See my posts in the
discussion at:

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.c...272390e4e2d3ab

Their EzArmor firewall is an older version of ZoneAlarm. You'll also
find near giveaways of TrendMicro. Both have coverage so low (less than
the 80% minimum coverage required to be listed) that they are never
listed or they requested their results not be published at (for obvious
reason):

http://www.av-comparatives.org
 
 

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