what apple is this?

Warren Ernst

On Jan 29, 9:09 am, "Guillaume Tello" <houten....@wanadoo.fr> wrote:
> Hi again,
>
> You were right, there is a second CPU Z80!
> Some say it's an Apple II+ clone (because of the number of IC).
>
> The mother board:http://pagesperso-orange.fr/gtello/whatapple3.jpg
>
> The video/cassette/joystick connectors:http://pagesperso-orange.fr/gtello/whatapple4.jpg
>
> The power input with model #:http://pagesperso-orange.fr/gtello/whatapple5.jpg
>
> A RGB card found in this computer:http://pagesperso-orange.fr/gtello/whatapple6.jpg
>
> the terminal connector of this RGB card (nor CINCH, nor SCART):http://pagesperso-orange.fr/gtello/whatapple7.jpg
>
> This may help you to help me!
>
> Guillaume.

Other (I think interesting) observations:

There's no "AUX SLOT" that would indicate a //e clone, so this being a
II or II+ clone seems more likely.There's no up/down arrows on the
keyboard either, which is another tip. The lid latching mechanism and
the cable cutouts all scream II or II+ also.

The power supply accepts 180-260 volts, so this means overseas market
to me. A US-Market clone would take around 120 Volts.

Other interesting but non-identifying items: there's an internal fan
and a DIP-16 to DB-15 joystick adapter, but apple joysticks are DB-9,
so this is definitely something noteworthy and non-standard.

-Warr

Scott Alfter

In article <1ibi0rr.qcs1uc1tsrac7N%dempson@actrix.gen.nz>,
David Empson <dempson@actrix.gen.nz> wrote:
>Guillaume Tello <houten.van@wanadoo.fr> wrote:
>
>> I need an identification of this Apple whose label has been lost.
>>
>> http://pagesperso-orange.fr/gtello/whatapple1.jpg
>> http://pagesperso-orange.fr/gtello/whatapple2.jpg
>
>That isn't a genuine Apple ][. It is a clone of some kind.
>
>The general shape of the case and the layout of the main part of the
>keyboard are similar to an Apple ][ or ][+, but a genuine Apple ][ has
>no numeric keypad.

The Franklin Ace 1000 has a keypad, but the entire machine is physically
larger (wider and deeper) than any Apple II, so we can eliminate that from
consideration here as well. Its motherboard layout is similar to that of a
II+, but the board is a fair bit larger. There's a bit more spacing between
columns of chips, and there are two extra rows of chips that implement 16K
of language-card memory.

It's most likely yet another clone from Hong Kong or Taiwan; they sometimes
had some non-standard extra features thrown in.

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Guillaume Tello

"Scott Alfter" <scott@alfter.DIESPAMMERSDIE.us> a écrit dans le message de
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> It's most likely yet another clone from Hong Kong or Taiwan; they
> sometimes
> had some non-standard extra features thrown in.

On one image, I can read "Made in China"
So it's a chinese clone.

Guillaume.

sfahey

To: Guillaume Tello
Re: what apple is this?
By: Guillaume Tello to comp.sys.apple2 on Tue Jan 29 2008 10:12 am

> I need an identification of this Apple whose label has been lost.

It could be one of dozens of clones, but it looks like one of the early
Pineapples I used to have.

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Patrick Schaefer

Guillaume Tello schrieb:

> I need an identification of this Apple whose label has been lost.
>
> http://pagesperso-orange.fr/gtello/whatapple1.jpg
> http://pagesperso-orange.fr/gtello/whatapple2.jpg

That's a GTAC-2, a Generic Taiwanese Apple Clone Type 2. This is
basically an Apple II plus circuit with on-board language and Z80 card.
It uses eight 4164 chips to provide the 64k and has only six slots -
slot 0 and 4 are missing due to the on-board functions. Usually the ROM
sits on a small PCB which goes into the position of slot 0.

On the photo you can see the Z80A CPU below the 6502.


A GTAC-1 has the original Apple II plus board, modified for 2716 or 2732
EPROMs and a lowercase character set.

In the late 80s, these computers were sold in almost any
electronics/computer store in Europe. Their "brand names" ranged from
"Orange II" over "Telstar", "Mewa-48", "Mewa-64" to such simple
descriptions as "48k-Computer". The label must not necessesarily have
gotten lost, usually there was no label in this place!

You had to pay around EUR 500,- for a 48k GTAC-1, around 600,- for a
GTAC-2, and 500,- for a disk drive as shown on the second photo. An
empty mainboard was around EUR 50,- that time, an empty expansion card
(I built my Z80 card myself that time...) was around EUR 15,-).


Patrick






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On Jan 30, 5:53 am, Warren Ernst <wer...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Other interesting but non-identifying items: there's an internal fan
> and a DIP-16 to DB-15 joystick adapter, but apple joysticks are DB-9,
> so this is definitely something noteworthy and non-standard.


Also, the power plug onto the motherboard is nothing like that found
on a genuine Apple II/II+/IIe. It more closely resembles the one found
on the IIgs of all things.

Clones are definately interesting beasts to study, I wish I'd never
sold mine back in the day (~1987).

cheers,
-p

Michael J. Mahon

Patrick Schaefer wrote:
> Guillaume Tello schrieb:
>
>> I need an identification of this Apple whose label has been lost.
>>
>> http://pagesperso-orange.fr/gtello/whatapple1.jpg
>> http://pagesperso-orange.fr/gtello/whatapple2.jpg
>
>
> That's a GTAC-2, a Generic Taiwanese Apple Clone Type 2. This is
> basically an Apple II plus circuit with on-board language and Z80 card.
> It uses eight 4164 chips to provide the 64k and has only six slots -
> slot 0 and 4 are missing due to the on-board functions. Usually the ROM
> sits on a small PCB which goes into the position of slot 0.

This one seems to have seven slots...

> On the photo you can see the Z80A CPU below the 6502.
>
>
> A GTAC-1 has the original Apple II plus board, modified for 2716 or 2732
> EPROMs and a lowercase character set.
>
> In the late 80s, these computers were sold in almost any
> electronics/computer store in Europe. Their "brand names" ranged from
> "Orange II" over "Telstar", "Mewa-48", "Mewa-64" to such simple
> descriptions as "48k-Computer". The label must not necessesarily have
> gotten lost, usually there was no label in this place!
>
> You had to pay around EUR 500,- for a 48k GTAC-1, around 600,- for a
> GTAC-2, and 500,- for a disk drive as shown on the second photo. An
> empty mainboard was around EUR 50,- that time, an empty expansion card
> (I built my Z80 card myself that time...) was around EUR 15,-).

-michael

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RedskullDC

Hi Guillaume,

"Guillaume Tello" <houten.van@wanadoo.fr> wrote in message
news:479f5d25$0$864$ba4acef3@news.orange.fr...
> Hi again,
>
> You were right, there is a second CPU Z80!
> Some say it's an Apple II+ clone (because of the number of IC).
>
> The mother board:
> http://pagesperso-orange.fr/gtello/whatapple3.jpg

Looks most like a "Base64" ][+ compatible mother board, with the 6502
and Z-80 on board.

You seem to be missing the ROM riser card though!!!!!
Should be a small, half-height card with one or two roms/eproms on it,
which plugs into slot # 0.

The are no roms/eproms on the main motherboard, so the machine will
be useless without the rom riser card!

red

Guillaume Tello

"RedskullDC" <redskulldc@oohay.moc.ua> a écrit dans le message de news:
cJWnj.9004$421.7871@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> Hi Guillaume,
> Looks most like a "Base64" ][+ compatible mother board, with the 6502
> and Z-80 on board.

Okay, I'll have more answers when receiving it.
But every comment will guide me in my investigations.

> You seem to be missing the ROM riser card though!!!!!
> Should be a small, half-height card with one or two roms/eproms on it,
> which plugs into slot # 0.

Here it is:
http://pagesperso-orange.fr/gtello/whatapple8.jpg

But why are there four Roms places?
One is clearly labelled F0-F8 Apple (Prodos)
And I think the other one is BASIC 8K, but I might be wrong.

Guillaume.

Michael J. Mahon

Guillaume Tello wrote:
> "RedskullDC" <redskulldc@oohay.moc.ua> a écrit dans le message de news:
> cJWnj.9004$421.7871@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>
>>Hi Guillaume,
>>Looks most like a "Base64" ][+ compatible mother board, with the 6502
>>and Z-80 on board.
>
>
> Okay, I'll have more answers when receiving it.
> But every comment will guide me in my investigations.
>
>
>>You seem to be missing the ROM riser card though!!!!!
>>Should be a small, half-height card with one or two roms/eproms on it,
>>which plugs into slot # 0.
>
>
> Here it is:
> http://pagesperso-orange.fr/gtello/whatapple8.jpg
>
> But why are there four Roms places?
> One is clearly labelled F0-F8 Apple (Prodos)
> And I think the other one is BASIC 8K, but I might be wrong.

I'd guess that the card is set up to accept ROMs of different
sizes, so there are more places for ROMs.

In the photo, one ROM is 4KB, replacing the F0 and F8 ROMs, and
one ROM is 8KB, replacing the four (D0, D8, E0, E8) Applesoft ROMs.

-michael

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