8Mb broadband

PeterC

On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 15:52:13 -0000, tony h wrote:

> "The Natural Philosopher" <a@b.c> wrote in message
> news:.clara.net...
>>
>> I'd say the majority off ADSL max users were between 1.5 and 4Mbps.
>
> true enough, my ISP allows me to see profile distribution
>
>
>
> the 'up to 8 meg' statement really does need clarification for the hard of
> understanding

Like 'up to 100% flake-free' - 0 is just within range.
--
Peter.
You don't understand Newton's Third Law of Motion?
It's not rocket science, you know.

PeterC

On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 16:18:51 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> 100% get 1Mbps. (or more)

or 'up to 8Mbps'
--
Peter.
You don't understand Newton's Third Law of Motion?
It's not rocket science, you know.

The Natural Philosopher

George Weston wrote:
> "The Natural Philosopher" <a@b.c> wrote in message
> news:.clara.net...
>> tony h wrote:
>>> "The Natural Philosopher" <a@b.c> wrote in message
>>> news:.clara.net...
>>>> I'd say the majority off ADSL max users were between 1.5 and 4Mbps.
>>> true enough, my ISP allows me to see profile distribution
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> the 'up to 8 meg' statement really does need clarification for the hard
>>> of
>>> understanding
>>>
>>>
>> Its actually quite interesting to do some back-of-envelope calculations.
>>
>> IIRC the sped will vary as the inverse square of the distance..I can just
>> about get 4Mbps at 1 mile.. so at 2miles lets say its 1Mbps..and only
>> under .7 miles would one have a chance of 8mbps.
>>
>> If we take 2 mile radius from the exchange as a sort of 'average'
>> exchange....we get the result that the area covered at 8Mbps is one eighth
>> of the area covered at 1Mps.
>>
>> So 12.5% of our customers get 8mbps.
>> 25% get 4Mbps (or more)
>> 50% get 2Mbps (or more)
>> 100% get 1Mbps. (or more)
>>
>> Roughly.
>>
>> What that means is that 50% of customers get NO MORE than 2Mbps..
>>
>> Now my assumptions are pretty shaky, based on the assumption that if you
>> cant get more than 1Mbps you would not pick ADSL max, and a gut feeling
>> that 2 miles and 1Mbps is about the right sort of ball park.
>>
>> That is the reality of the technology: The rest is marketing bullshit.
>
> The reality is that BT exchanges were historically placed in locations which
> gave them a 3-mile average radius, not 2 miles.
> Which is one reason why many "broadband" customers get even less than 1Mbps.
>
Yes, I accept that, but the point was that anyone unable to get 1Mbps
would NOT be on ADSL max as like as not.


> George
>
>

Daffy Duck

On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 18:24:49 -0000, Gonz wrote:

> "Daffy Duck" <> wrote in message
> news:...
>> On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 16:32:38 -0000, Gonz wrote:
>>
>>> "Daffy Duck" <> wrote in message
>>> news:...
>>>> On Fri, 07 Dec 2007 21:28:03 GMT, Daffy Duck wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, 7 Dec 2007 20:57:37 -0000, Gonz wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> "Daffy Duck" <> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:t3ebz844dofu.1bv0xm2kksuk0$....
>>>>>>> On Fri, 7 Dec 2007 18:22:54 -0000, Gonz wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Carl Waring" <.uk> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:K_f6j.793$.net...
>>>>>>>>> Bill Ridgeway wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Is it possible, better still does anyone actually get anywhere
>>>>>>>>>> near
>>>>>>>>>> an 8Mb broadband connection? I'd guess you'd have to live
>>>>>>>>>> next
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>> telephone exchange.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> What's the situation with cable suppliers?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> While cable doesn't work the same way and distance from an
>>>>>>>>> exchange
>>>>>>>>> does matter and you are /more likely/ to get a faster speed.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Can you have a look at this, and sort it out so someone other
>>>>>>>> than
>>>>>>>> yourself can understand it.
>>>>>>>> The way it reads is, the distance from the cable exchange does
>>>>>>>> matter.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> and you are /more likely/ to get a faster speed.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The only reason you don't get the speed, is cuz they have signed
>>>>>>>> too
>>>>>>>> many people up to the service in each area, and as a result
>>>>>>>> there
>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>> enuff bandwidth to share amongst everyone.
>>>>>>>> So in order for everyone to get at least 35kbps each, they have
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> limit
>>>>>>>> everyone and share it all out between them all.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Completely different to how ADSL works...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Maybe you'd like to produce some evidence to back up your claim
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> "everyone" gets limited so that everyone can get at least 35kbs.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You're not too busy, provide some evidence that they don't.
>>>>>
>>>>> Your the one making the claims...you back them up.
>>>>
>>>> Any luck finding the evidence to back up your claim?
>>>
>>> Didn't I tell you to get stuffed?
>>>
>>>> No...
>>>
>>> You're right...
>>>
>>>> so it's just something you made up.
>>>
>>> No, but I'm sayin it now.
>>> Get stuffed.
>>
>> So i was right...it IS something you just made up....how you hate
>> being
>> caught out......LMFAO
>
> You're very weird.
> Is it just me you scare, I wonder...

Probably....after all most other people don't make as many things up as you
do.

PeterC

On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 15:52:13 -0000, tony h wrote:

> "The Natural Philosopher" <a@b.c> wrote in message
> news:.clara.net...
>>
>> I'd say the majority off ADSL max users were between 1.5 and 4Mbps.
>
> true enough, my ISP allows me to see profile distribution
>
>
>
> the 'up to 8 meg' statement really does need clarification for the hard of
> understanding

Like 'up to 100% flake-free' - 0 is just within range.
--
Peter.
You don't understand Newton's Third Law of Motion?
It's not rocket science, you know.

PeterC

On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 16:18:51 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> 100% get 1Mbps. (or more)

or 'up to 8Mbps'
--
Peter.
You don't understand Newton's Third Law of Motion?
It's not rocket science, you know.

The Natural Philosopher

George Weston wrote:
> "The Natural Philosopher" <a@b.c> wrote in message
> news:.clara.net...
>> tony h wrote:
>>> "The Natural Philosopher" <a@b.c> wrote in message
>>> news:.clara.net...
>>>> I'd say the majority off ADSL max users were between 1.5 and 4Mbps.
>>> true enough, my ISP allows me to see profile distribution
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> the 'up to 8 meg' statement really does need clarification for the hard
>>> of
>>> understanding
>>>
>>>
>> Its actually quite interesting to do some back-of-envelope calculations.
>>
>> IIRC the sped will vary as the inverse square of the distance..I can just
>> about get 4Mbps at 1 mile.. so at 2miles lets say its 1Mbps..and only
>> under .7 miles would one have a chance of 8mbps.
>>
>> If we take 2 mile radius from the exchange as a sort of 'average'
>> exchange....we get the result that the area covered at 8Mbps is one eighth
>> of the area covered at 1Mps.
>>
>> So 12.5% of our customers get 8mbps.
>> 25% get 4Mbps (or more)
>> 50% get 2Mbps (or more)
>> 100% get 1Mbps. (or more)
>>
>> Roughly.
>>
>> What that means is that 50% of customers get NO MORE than 2Mbps..
>>
>> Now my assumptions are pretty shaky, based on the assumption that if you
>> cant get more than 1Mbps you would not pick ADSL max, and a gut feeling
>> that 2 miles and 1Mbps is about the right sort of ball park.
>>
>> That is the reality of the technology: The rest is marketing bullshit.
>
> The reality is that BT exchanges were historically placed in locations which
> gave them a 3-mile average radius, not 2 miles.
> Which is one reason why many "broadband" customers get even less than 1Mbps.
>
Yes, I accept that, but the point was that anyone unable to get 1Mbps
would NOT be on ADSL max as like as not.


> George
>
>