8Mb broadband

alexd

On Fri, 07 Dec 2007 17:12:25 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> Custard wrote:

>> I'm 1.2 miles from the exchange and can barely get 3 meg let alone the
>> 8 Meg they promised

> Ditto. Attenuation goes up for HF as the square of the disance and is
> heavily dependent on installed copper type.
>
> I'd say the majority off ADSL max users were between 1.5 and 4Mbps.

Why would you say that?

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Carl Waring

Bill Ridgeway wrote:
> Is it possible, better still does anyone actually get anywhere near
> an 8Mb broadband connection? I'd guess you'd have to live next to a
> telephone exchange.
>
> What's the situation with cable suppliers?
>
> Regards.
>
> Bill Ridgeway

Yeah. My dad lives only yards (as the crow flies) from the local, non-LLU'd
exchange and get around 7mb.

While cable doesn't work the same way and distance from an exchange does
matter and you are /more likely/ to get a faster speed.

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alexd wrote:
> On Fri, 07 Dec 2007 17:12:25 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>
>> Custard wrote:
>
>>> I'm 1.2 miles from the exchange and can barely get 3 meg let alone the
>>> 8 Meg they promised
>
>> Ditto. Attenuation goes up for HF as the square of the disance and is
>> heavily dependent on installed copper type.
>>
>> I'd say the majority off ADSL max users were between 1.5 and 4Mbps.
>
> Why would you say that?
>
Because of the typical area covered by an exchange.

Gonz

"Carl Waring" <email@carlDASHwaring.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Bill Ridgeway wrote:
>> Is it possible, better still does anyone actually get anywhere near
>> an 8Mb broadband connection? I'd guess you'd have to live next to a
>> telephone exchange.
>>
>> What's the situation with cable suppliers?
>>
>
> While cable doesn't work the same way and distance from an exchange
> does matter and you are /more likely/ to get a faster speed.

Can you have a look at this, and sort it out so someone other than
yourself can understand it.
The way it reads is, the distance from the cable exchange does matter.

> and you are /more likely/ to get a faster speed.

The only reason you don't get the speed, is cuz they have signed too
many people up to the service in each area, and as a result there is not
enuff bandwidth to share amongst everyone.
So in order for everyone to get at least 35kbps each, they have to limit
everyone and share it all out between them all.

Completely different to how ADSL works...

Daffy Duck

On Fri, 7 Dec 2007 18:22:54 -0000, Gonz wrote:

> "Carl Waring" <email@carlDASHwaring.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:K_f6j.793$eU4.343@newsfe4-win.ntli.net...
>> Bill Ridgeway wrote:
>>> Is it possible, better still does anyone actually get anywhere near
>>> an 8Mb broadband connection? I'd guess you'd have to live next to a
>>> telephone exchange.
>>>
>>> What's the situation with cable suppliers?
>>>
>>
>> While cable doesn't work the same way and distance from an exchange
>> does matter and you are /more likely/ to get a faster speed.
>
> Can you have a look at this, and sort it out so someone other than
> yourself can understand it.
> The way it reads is, the distance from the cable exchange does matter.
>
>> and you are /more likely/ to get a faster speed.
>
> The only reason you don't get the speed, is cuz they have signed too
> many people up to the service in each area, and as a result there is not
> enuff bandwidth to share amongst everyone.
> So in order for everyone to get at least 35kbps each, they have to limit
> everyone and share it all out between them all.
>
> Completely different to how ADSL works...

Maybe you'd like to produce some evidence to back up your claim that
"everyone" gets limited so that everyone can get at least 35kbs.

Gonz

"Daffy Duck" <DD@DaffyDuck.com> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 7 Dec 2007 18:22:54 -0000, Gonz wrote:
>
>> "Carl Waring" <email@carlDASHwaring.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:K_f6j.793$eU4.343@newsfe4-win.ntli.net...
>>> Bill Ridgeway wrote:
>>>> Is it possible, better still does anyone actually get anywhere near
>>>> an 8Mb broadband connection? I'd guess you'd have to live next to
>>>> a
>>>> telephone exchange.
>>>>
>>>> What's the situation with cable suppliers?
>>>>
>>>
>>> While cable doesn't work the same way and distance from an exchange
>>> does matter and you are /more likely/ to get a faster speed.
>>
>> Can you have a look at this, and sort it out so someone other than
>> yourself can understand it.
>> The way it reads is, the distance from the cable exchange does
>> matter.
>>
>>> and you are /more likely/ to get a faster speed.
>>
>> The only reason you don't get the speed, is cuz they have signed too
>> many people up to the service in each area, and as a result there is
>> not
>> enuff bandwidth to share amongst everyone.
>> So in order for everyone to get at least 35kbps each, they have to
>> limit
>> everyone and share it all out between them all.
>>
>> Completely different to how ADSL works...
>
> Maybe you'd like to produce some evidence to back up your claim that
> "everyone" gets limited so that everyone can get at least 35kbs.

You're not too busy, provide some evidence that they don't.

Daffy Duck

On Fri, 7 Dec 2007 20:57:37 -0000, Gonz wrote:

> "Daffy Duck" <DD@DaffyDuck.com> wrote in message
> news:t3ebz844dofu.1bv0xm2kksuk0$.dlg@40tude.net...
>> On Fri, 7 Dec 2007 18:22:54 -0000, Gonz wrote:
>>
>>> "Carl Waring" <email@carlDASHwaring.co.uk> wrote in message
>>> news:K_f6j.793$eU4.343@newsfe4-win.ntli.net...
>>>> Bill Ridgeway wrote:
>>>>> Is it possible, better still does anyone actually get anywhere near
>>>>> an 8Mb broadband connection? I'd guess you'd have to live next to
>>>>> a
>>>>> telephone exchange.
>>>>>
>>>>> What's the situation with cable suppliers?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> While cable doesn't work the same way and distance from an exchange
>>>> does matter and you are /more likely/ to get a faster speed.
>>>
>>> Can you have a look at this, and sort it out so someone other than
>>> yourself can understand it.
>>> The way it reads is, the distance from the cable exchange does
>>> matter.
>>>
>>>> and you are /more likely/ to get a faster speed.
>>>
>>> The only reason you don't get the speed, is cuz they have signed too
>>> many people up to the service in each area, and as a result there is
>>> not
>>> enuff bandwidth to share amongst everyone.
>>> So in order for everyone to get at least 35kbps each, they have to
>>> limit
>>> everyone and share it all out between them all.
>>>
>>> Completely different to how ADSL works...
>>
>> Maybe you'd like to produce some evidence to back up your claim that
>> "everyone" gets limited so that everyone can get at least 35kbs.
>
> You're not too busy, provide some evidence that they don't.

Your the one making the claims...you back them up.

Carl Waring

Gonz wrote:
> "Carl Waring" <email@carlDASHwaring.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:K_f6j.793$eU4.343@newsfe4-win.ntli.net...
>> Bill Ridgeway wrote:
>>> Is it possible, better still does anyone actually get anywhere near
>>> an 8Mb broadband connection? I'd guess you'd have to live next to a
>>> telephone exchange.
>>>
>>> What's the situation with cable suppliers?
>>>
>>
>> While cable doesn't work the same way and distance from an exchange
>> does matter and you are /more likely/ to get a faster speed.
>
> Can you have a look at this, and sort it out so someone other than
> yourself can understand it.
> The way it reads is, the distance from the cable exchange does matter.

Damn! I really should proof-read my posts a little closer. You are, of
course, quite correct.

Sorry for any confusion :-(

>> and you are /more likely/ to get a faster speed.
>
> The only reason you don't get the speed, is cuz they have signed too
> many people up to the service in each area, and as a result there is
> not enuff bandwidth to share amongst everyone.
> So in order for everyone to get at least 35kbps each, they have to
> limit everyone and share it all out between them all.
>
> Completely different to how ADSL works...

I don't disagree entirely, but then again, that's why I qualified my stateme
with the phrase "more likely"; ie all things being equal and the UBR your
being connected to not being one of the dodgly ones.

See. It's all about not making generalised, sweeping statements ;-)

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alexd wrote:
> On Fri, 07 Dec 2007 17:12:25 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>
>> Custard wrote:
>
>>> I'm 1.2 miles from the exchange and can barely get 3 meg let alone the
>>> 8 Meg they promised
>
>> Ditto. Attenuation goes up for HF as the square of the disance and is
>> heavily dependent on installed copper type.
>>
>> I'd say the majority off ADSL max users were between 1.5 and 4Mbps.
>
> Why would you say that?
>
Because of the typical area covered by an exchange.

Gonz

"Daffy Duck" <DD@DaffyDuck.com> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 7 Dec 2007 18:22:54 -0000, Gonz wrote:
>
>> "Carl Waring" <email@carlDASHwaring.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:K_f6j.793$eU4.343@newsfe4-win.ntli.net...
>>> Bill Ridgeway wrote:
>>>> Is it possible, better still does anyone actually get anywhere near
>>>> an 8Mb broadband connection? I'd guess you'd have to live next to
>>>> a
>>>> telephone exchange.
>>>>
>>>> What's the situation with cable suppliers?
>>>>
>>>
>>> While cable doesn't work the same way and distance from an exchange
>>> does matter and you are /more likely/ to get a faster speed.
>>
>> Can you have a look at this, and sort it out so someone other than
>> yourself can understand it.
>> The way it reads is, the distance from the cable exchange does
>> matter.
>>
>>> and you are /more likely/ to get a faster speed.
>>
>> The only reason you don't get the speed, is cuz they have signed too
>> many people up to the service in each area, and as a result there is
>> not
>> enuff bandwidth to share amongst everyone.
>> So in order for everyone to get at least 35kbps each, they have to
>> limit
>> everyone and share it all out between them all.
>>
>> Completely different to how ADSL works...
>
> Maybe you'd like to produce some evidence to back up your claim that
> "everyone" gets limited so that everyone can get at least 35kbs.

You're not too busy, provide some evidence that they don't.