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Unread 29-08-2007, 02:16 PM   #1
Guillaume Charhon
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Install debian without floppy and cdrom...

Hi,

I need to install Linux Debian on an old computer (PII 300Mhz) that do
not support to boot on floppy and cdroom...
To help me, I can use an other computer running linux.

-I try to install debian with the second computer and then plug in the
hard drive in the old computer.
I works, but the computer takes half an hour to start, and after, it is
so slow! So there is a problem.

-I think about using a pxe boot. I have a dhcp server on my network but
my network card doesn't seems to get an ip adress at the boot. So it
doesn't work...

-Maybe it is possible to "install an installer" on the hard drive with
my second computer, and then plug it in the old computer to install the
system. But I don't know how to do this.

If you have solutions to my problems, you're welcome!

Thank you for you help.

 
Unread 29-08-2007, 02:16 PM   #2
msm
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Re: Install debian without floppy and cdrom...

On Thu, 28 Jun 2007 11:43:51 +0200, Guillaume Charhon wrote:

> I need to install Linux Debian on an old computer (PII 300Mhz) that do
> not support to boot on floppy and cdroom...
> To help me, I can use an other computer running linux.


Is it that it won't boot from floppy at all, or that you can't have the
floppy and the CD installed at the same time? (I ask because I have an
old laptop like that: it can have either the floppy drive or the CD drive
installed, it will boot from floppy but not from CD :-)
 
Unread 29-08-2007, 02:16 PM   #3
Mumia W.
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Re: Install debian without floppy and cdrom...

On 06/28/2007 04:43 AM, Guillaume Charhon wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I need to install Linux Debian on an old computer (PII 300Mhz) that do
> not support to boot on floppy and cdroom...
> To help me, I can use an other computer running linux.
>
> -I try to install debian with the second computer and then plug in the
> hard drive in the old computer.
> I works, but the computer takes half an hour to start, and after, it is
> so slow! So there is a problem.
> [...]


It shouldn't be that slow. What part of the bootup process is taking so
long?

Be sure to install the correct kernel for a PII. A 386 kernel should do.

An old machine like that probably has little RAM, so don't bother
installing bloated desktop environments. Install the X server, a
lightweight window manager (such as fluxbox) and whatever individual
applications you need.

> -Maybe it is possible to "install an installer" on the hard drive with
> my second computer, and then plug it in the old computer to install the
> system. But I don't know how to do this.
>
> If you have solutions to my problems, you're welcome!
>
> Thank you for you help.
>


Perhaps debbootstrap can help you.

 
Unread 29-08-2007, 02:16 PM   #4
msm
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Re: Install debian without floppy and cdrom...

On Thu, 28 Jun 2007 12:26:46 +0000, Mumia W. wrote:

> Be sure to install the correct kernel for a PII. A 386 kernel should do.


A PII is a 686, so probably not the issue.
 
Unread 29-08-2007, 02:16 PM   #5
ray
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Re: Install debian without floppy and cdrom...

On Thu, 28 Jun 2007 11:43:51 +0200, Guillaume Charhon wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I need to install Linux Debian on an old computer (PII 300Mhz) that do
> not support to boot on floppy and cdroom...
> To help me, I can use an other computer running linux.
>
> -I try to install debian with the second computer and then plug in the
> hard drive in the old computer.
> I works, but the computer takes half an hour to start, and after, it is
> so slow! So there is a problem.


That's actually 30 minutes by the clock? Somehow I doubt that. Are you
running KDE or Gnome? IMHO - a 300mhz p2 is a little slow for that. I'd
recommend XFCE or Enlightenment (Elive is cool).

>
> -I think about using a pxe boot. I have a dhcp server on my network but
> my network card doesn't seems to get an ip adress at the boot. So it
> doesn't work...
>
> -Maybe it is possible to "install an installer" on the hard drive with
> my second computer, and then plug it in the old computer to install the
> system. But I don't know how to do this.


Only system which works like that of which I am aware is Gentoo. You
install a very basic system and then go from there.

>
> If you have solutions to my problems, you're welcome!
>
> Thank you for you help.


Does the system have USB? There would be the possibility of booting from a
USB device.

 
Unread 29-08-2007, 02:16 PM   #6
Oldtech
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Re: Install debian without floppy and cdrom...

Guillaume Charhon wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I need to install Linux Debian on an old computer (PII 300Mhz) that do
> not support to boot on floppy and cdroom...
> To help me, I can use an other computer running linux.
>
> -I try to install debian with the second computer and then plug in the
> hard drive in the old computer.
> I works, but the computer takes half an hour to start, and after, it is
> so slow! So there is a problem.
>
> -I think about using a pxe boot. I have a dhcp server on my network but
> my network card doesn't seems to get an ip adress at the boot. So it
> doesn't work...
>
> -Maybe it is possible to "install an installer" on the hard drive with
> my second computer, and then plug it in the old computer to install the
> system. But I don't know how to do this.
>
> If you have solutions to my problems, you're welcome!
>
> Thank you for you help.
>

Could you specify the "computer"? Who made the board, or, at the very
least, give us the bios code at the boot screen?

Desktop or laptop?

I have yet to find a computer that I can't install Linux on!

I usually use a Debian based OS, though.
 
Unread 29-08-2007, 02:16 PM   #7
Oldtech
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Re: Install debian without floppy and cdrom...

Guillaume Charhon wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I need to install Linux Debian on an old computer (PII 300Mhz) that do
> not support to boot on floppy and cdroom...
> To help me, I can use an other computer running linux.
>
> -I try to install debian with the second computer and then plug in the
> hard drive in the old computer.
> I works, but the computer takes half an hour to start, and after, it is
> so slow! So there is a problem.
>
> -I think about using a pxe boot. I have a dhcp server on my network but
> my network card doesn't seems to get an ip adress at the boot. So it
> doesn't work...
>
> -Maybe it is possible to "install an installer" on the hard drive with
> my second computer, and then plug it in the old computer to install the
> system. But I don't know how to do this.
>
> If you have solutions to my problems, you're welcome!
>
> Thank you for you help.
>

Oh., I usually try a Debian based OS that is NOT Debian, just to use one
of the Knoppix CLOOP processes, that finds the resources. Then, I save
the configuration file for install of the full "boat" Debian.

 
Unread 29-08-2007, 02:16 PM   #8
devlin
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Re: Install debian without floppy and cdrom...

Guillaume Charhon wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I need to install Linux Debian on an old computer (PII 300Mhz) that do
> not support to boot on floppy and cdroom...
> To help me, I can use an other computer running linux.
>
> -I try to install debian with the second computer and then plug in the
> hard drive in the old computer.
> I works, but the computer takes half an hour to start, and after, it is
> so slow! So there is a problem.
>
> -I think about using a pxe boot. I have a dhcp server on my network but
> my network card doesn't seems to get an ip adress at the boot. So it
> doesn't work...
>
> -Maybe it is possible to "install an installer" on the hard drive with
> my second computer, and then plug it in the old computer to install the
> system. But I don't know how to do this.
>
> If you have solutions to my problems, you're welcome!
>
> Thank you for you help.
>


At present prices I say go buy a cheap CD or DVD-ROM drive. If you don't
want too then if the computer currently boots into Windows go to
http://www.goodbye-microsoft.com and click the Debian logo, once
download is completed run the downloaded app and be amazed as Debian
installs via the internet.

Have fun & enjoy,
Devlin
 
Unread 29-08-2007, 02:16 PM   #9
Guillaume Charhon
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Re: Install debian without floppy and cdrom...

I have tried with more ram, it doesn"t change anything... :'(

Mumia W. wrote:
> On 06/28/2007 04:43 AM, Guillaume Charhon wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I need to install Linux Debian on an old computer (PII 300Mhz) that do
>> not support to boot on floppy and cdroom...
>> To help me, I can use an other computer running linux.
>>
>> -I try to install debian with the second computer and then plug in the
>> hard drive in the old computer.
>> I works, but the computer takes half an hour to start, and after, it
>> is so slow! So there is a problem.
>> [...]

>
> It shouldn't be that slow. What part of the bootup process is taking so
> long?
>
> Be sure to install the correct kernel for a PII. A 386 kernel should do.
>
> An old machine like that probably has little RAM, so don't bother
> installing bloated desktop environments. Install the X server, a
> lightweight window manager (such as fluxbox) and whatever individual
> applications you need.
>
>> -Maybe it is possible to "install an installer" on the hard drive with
>> my second computer, and then plug it in the old computer to install
>> the system. But I don't know how to do this.
>>
>> If you have solutions to my problems, you're welcome!
>>
>> Thank you for you help.
>>

>
> Perhaps debbootstrap can help you.
>

 
Unread 29-08-2007, 02:16 PM   #10
Guillaume Charhon
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Re: Install debian without floppy and cdrom...

Hi,

I have the USB, but I can't boot on it...

ray wrote:
> On Thu, 28 Jun 2007 11:43:51 +0200, Guillaume Charhon wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I need to install Linux Debian on an old computer (PII 300Mhz) that do
>> not support to boot on floppy and cdroom...
>> To help me, I can use an other computer running linux.
>>
>> -I try to install debian with the second computer and then plug in the
>> hard drive in the old computer.
>> I works, but the computer takes half an hour to start, and after, it is
>> so slow! So there is a problem.

>
> That's actually 30 minutes by the clock? Somehow I doubt that. Are you
> running KDE or Gnome? IMHO - a 300mhz p2 is a little slow for that. I'd
> recommend XFCE or Enlightenment (Elive is cool).
>
>> -I think about using a pxe boot. I have a dhcp server on my network but
>> my network card doesn't seems to get an ip adress at the boot. So it
>> doesn't work...
>>
>> -Maybe it is possible to "install an installer" on the hard drive with
>> my second computer, and then plug it in the old computer to install the
>> system. But I don't know how to do this.

>
> Only system which works like that of which I am aware is Gentoo. You
> install a very basic system and then go from there.
>
>> If you have solutions to my problems, you're welcome!
>>
>> Thank you for you help.

>
> Does the system have USB? There would be the possibility of booting from a
> USB device.
>

 
 

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