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Unread 24-06-2010, 09:58 PM   #11
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An OS in NTSF can look back at FATxx, but and OS in FATxx cannot see NTSF ... and that can be an issue with something like an iPod (USB) after it has been updated to NTFS (and even set to "hidden").

For overall compatability, at least in my own experience, a USB device formatted in FAT32 can be read by more machines.

I thought it correctly, but wrote it out wrong. Damn fingers not doing what the mind is thinking. Or maybe it's because I am left handed(doing stuff backwards)
Agree, USB is a very nice portable alternative. I got an 8GB slipped into my cell phone case. Got lots of free space, but lots of tools to. Just never know when someone will point out at an issue and I can fix it right there !!!

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Got lots of free space, but lots of tools to. Just never know when someone will point out at an issue and I can fix it right there !!!
I have lots of tools on mine, too. Just never know when someone will point out a perfectly "secure" network that I can break right then and there !!!

Actually, now that I think about it, many of my local clients hired me after I helped them secure their networks. Drop in for a cup of coffee, an asthma checkup, and a proof-of-concept hacking session while I'm getting a shot! Yay!
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I thought it correctly, but wrote it out wrong. Damn fingers not doing what the mind is thinking. Or maybe it's because I am left handed(doing stuff backwards)
Sure, and sometimes my own just will not cooperate!

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... many of my local clients hired me after ... a proof-of-concept hacking session ... Yay!
I know of a man who had been working in a very large company that had just paid some big bucks for new security, and he wanted to prove they had made a mistake by not listening to *his* thoughts on the matter. So, he simply slipped inside the system and printed a list of salaries and handed it to the CEO to prove his case and was immediately fired for hacking!
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I know of a man who had been working in a very large company that had just paid some big bucks for new security, and he wanted to prove they had made a mistake by not listening to *his* thoughts on the matter. So, he simply slipped inside the system and printed a list of salaries and handed it to the CEO to prove his case and was immediately fired for hacking!
He got lucky. "Ethical" hacking without a signed contract? I would've had him escorted from the building in handcuffs. You don't play around with things like that.
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He got lucky. "Ethical" hacking without a signed contract?
Are you sure that is a crime?!

I am not saying what the man did was a good idea, and especially since it did get him fired in an "employed-at-will" state. However, I cannot imagine any police officer arresting the man on the spot and taking him away in cuffs unless an actual crime had been committed ... and the fact the man had taken the printed list of salaries straight to the CEO's office clearly shows a complete lack of any intent to deprive any entity of life, liberty or property.


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Are you sure that is a crime?!

I am not saying what the man did was a good idea, and especially since it did get him fired in an "employed-at-will" state. However, I cannot imagine any police officer arresting the man on the spot and taking him away in cuffs unless an actual crime had been committed ... and the fact the man had taken the printed list of salaries straight to the CEO's office clearly shows no intent to deprive any entity of life, liberty or property.

Usually, people get caught in the act. Chances are the CEO will know about it before the list gets to him. Hacks like that tend to be pretty obvious--even a cheap, useless security setup will know that something's off.

I know that where I've worked, the policy is to go straight to the police. That is a violation of privacy in the same sense that hacking to obtain a list of credit card numbers is.

Think about it: if he were able to get the salaries, what else could potentially have gotten at the same time? How do we know that what the CEO saw was all that he recorded? Ex-employees have a nasty habit of seeking revenge; if I were that CEO, and I knew that the system had been hacked like that, I would feel partially responsible if suddenly all the employees had their identity stolen because I didn't forward the intel along to the proper authorities.

Would he go to jail? I doubt it. However, getting the police involved releases the company of a certain degree of liability in case something more extreme follows.
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Usually, people get caught in the act.
This man did not.

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Chances are the CEO will know about it before the list gets to him.
This one did not.

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That is a violation of privacy in the same sense that hacking to obtain a list of credit card numbers is.
Nothing in this case is similar to anyone hacking with ill intent.

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Think about it: if he were able to get the salaries, what else could potentially have gotten at the same time?
How would an observer's imagination or speculation make a man guilty of a crime?

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How do we know that what the CEO saw was all that he recorded?
I would assume the system would show what file/s had been accessed and printed or even merely viewed.

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Ex-employees have a nasty habit of seeking revenge;
This man was on the clock at the time of his effort to show the company their system was not secure.

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if I were that CEO, and I knew that the system had been hacked like that, I would feel partially responsible if suddenly all the employees had their identity stolen because I didn't forward the intel along to the proper authorities.
This one was simply pissed because he had been shown to be wrong.

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However, getting the police involved releases the company of a certain degree of liability in case something more extreme follows.
Yes, and in this case that might also draw attention away from a bad decision previously made in a boardroom!

Not meaning to be argumentative here -- just trying to keep a specific incident in perspective.

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Lol, all I know is that wherever I've worked, the policy for situations like that is to call the police and let them handle it. I remember we used to have this entire book on what we were supposed to do according to the law of Massachusetts if this or that happened.

On clock or not means nothing, unless it was his assigned task. Intent is irrelevant with information that is considered confidential. It would have been illegal for the CEO to approve such an "ethical" hack without the consent of his/her employees under many circumstances. While there are certainly people famous for their "real world" ethical hacks, in actuality, most ethical hacking is done in an isolated test lab with no legitimate data. Regardless of whether or not the CEO was an arrogant idiot (not to be stereotypical or anything ), given the context that you have presented, he made the right decision. The employee did not.

Corporate networks are never secure. Money is wasted on horrible security systems even when cheaper, more effect solutions are presented. There's no way around that reality.
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... the CEO ... made the right decision. The employee [had] not.
Agreed, completely ... yet no criminal allegation would have ever even made it to court!
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Agreed, completely ... yet no criminal allegation would have ever even made it to court!
Yeah, I doubt that it would've gone anywhere, but filing a police report at minimum releases the company of a great deal of liability in the public eye. If the news of the month ends up being that "so and so" tried to cover up the fact that an employee stole all the social security numbers stored in the computer system, PR would be pretty ticked off.

The correct verb in that context was "did," not "had."

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