when will 2007.1 be released?

J.O. Aho

Sean Cleary wrote:

> Ok, so identical email addresses does not mean identical people.
> How can one tell?

Check which news server that has been used for the posting, you see that in
the posts header

Path:
uni-berlin.de!fu-berlin.de!postnews.google.com!m77g2000hsc.googlegr oups.com!not-for-mail

This shows that your post was posted at m77g2000hsc.googlegroups.com


> Sorry for the misidentification, I thought that I had the dude.
> And can u get him for using your email?

1. It's not mine, not any one else e-mail address (for more info see the first
reply I gave you in alt.os.linux).
2. Can you get spammers to not spam?


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J.O. Aho

Sean Cleary wrote:

> Ok, so identical email addresses does not mean identical people.
> How can one tell?

Check which news server that has been used for the posting, you see that in
the posts header

Path:
uni-berlin.de!fu-berlin.de!postnews.google.com!m77g2000hsc.googlegr oups.com!not-for-mail

This shows that your post was posted at m77g2000hsc.googlegroups.com


> Sorry for the misidentification, I thought that I had the dude.
> And can u get him for using your email?

1. It's not mine, not any one else e-mail address (for more info see the first
reply I gave you in alt.os.linux).
2. Can you get spammers to not spam?


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J.O. Aho

Aragorn wrote:
> J.O. Aho wrote:

>> I never split out /usr/local, as it's always been more or less empty on
>> all my installs, /usr/src I did split out when I went to Gentoo. I try to
>> split out those parts where you have a lot of writes, as I see it more
>> likely that something will go wrong there and don't want it to affect the
>> more static parts of the file system.
> That is indeed the right idea. Lots of people recommend the very basic
> partitioning layout to beginners, and it may indeed be the simplest thing
> to do for a first-time install, so as to familiarize oneself with the world
> of GNU/Linux, but I always do recommend split-offs, with the proper
> explanations as to why it's better.

I agree, but you see how distributions and users tries to copy things from
microsoft and apple and those don't split up things. Yes, it may be really
easy to setup things the first time, but quite many of the newer Linux users I
have seen haven't been keen on experimenting, they just been happy with what
they got, so they will keep on having one slice for everything and make a full
reinstall if something would go wrong when they install a new program.

Back in the days when I installed NetBSD on my Amiga 2000, you had to read a
bit of documentation before you managed to install it and I think thats a good
thing, as you get some understanding of the system you are using.


>> I do agree on that too. I think KVM can access file systems via userspace,
>> haven't kept so much track about KVM nor Xen, just looked a couple of
>> months ago at the wikipedia where they compared a load of different
>> virtualization, where KVM was on top when it came to smoth file I/O.
>
> Well, I'm not sure what would happen if an nVidia driver goes berserk again
> - as it often does here, causing X11 to freeze and garbling up the display
> once I've killed X11 via the System Request keys, requiring a complete
> reboot before you can see anything on the screen again - inside a virtual
> machine running via KVM. I also have no idea of whether the nVidia driver
> will even _work_ inside a KVM virtual machine.

The testing I have been doing with has involved just a simple cluster of
virtualized web servers, so haven't had any need of Xorg.


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Aragorn

J.O. Aho wrote:

> Aragorn wrote:
>
>> That is indeed the right idea. Lots of people recommend the very basic
>> partitioning layout to beginners, and it may indeed be the simplest thing
>> to do for a first-time install, so as to familiarize oneself with the
>> world of GNU/Linux, but I always do recommend split-offs, with the proper
>> explanations as to why it's better.
>
> I agree, but you see how distributions and users tries to copy things from
> microsoft and apple and those don't split up things.

Unfortunately, yes... It would seem that people have a tendency to learn
from the wrong examples... :-/

> Yes, it may be really easy to setup things the first time, but quite many
> of the newer Linux users I have seen haven't been keen on experimenting,
> they just been happy with what they got, so they will keep on having one
> slice for everything and make a full reinstall if something would go wrong
> when they install a new program.

And they will reboot without a reason, insist on installing a firewall for
consumergrade internet connections and desperately go looking for antivirus
software that runs on GNU/Linux - and of which they don't realize that it's
intended to scan for *Windows* viruses... :-/

> Back in the days when I installed NetBSD on my Amiga 2000, you had to read
> a bit of documentation before you managed to install it and I think thats
> a good thing, as you get some understanding of the system you are using.

My actual computing experiences started off before I had a computer of my
own, and back then the commonplace OS was DOS 3.30. My very own first PC
came with DOS 5.0 and Windows 3.0, but I only used that for about 6 months,
until 32-bit OS/2 became available for retail purchase. I then used OS/2
2.0 and 2.1 for 5 years.

Then I needed a new machine and I had already planned on switching to a
UNIX-style OS, but I had no internet connection at home, GNU/Linux was
still pretty much obscure to me, proprietary UNIX cost you an arm and a leg
and I had never heard of /Wine/ before, so whereas all of my friends ran
Windows 95, I chose a compromise solution and went for NT 4.0 Workstation.
I used that for two years, and then I discovered GNU/Linux via an article
in a computer magazine and a coincidental discovery of the tested
distributions from the magazine on the shelves of a software shop two weeks
later.

I selected Mandrake 6.0 PowerPack from the offer and used it in dualboot
with NT for about a month. Then it was January 1st 2000 and despite all
the Service Packs and Y2K updates, NT refused to boot. I was frustrated
because I had paid big money for that NT license, but in the month that I
had a dualboot - and in which I was not using my computer every day yet - I
had already found myself using GNU/Linux a lot more than I did NT.

GNU/Linux represented the UNIX-style OS that I had been wanting for years
already, and the GPL had won me over right away. I found that I really
only needed one operating system and that in the event of compatibility
problems, those would be the problems of the people choosing to use
proprietary software with proprietary document formats - not that
StarOffice couldn't open MS Office documents ;-) - and not mine. So my
choice was easily made. I've been using GNU/Linux exclusively since then.

The first thing I did before installing Mandrake 6.0 was read the manuals
that came in the box. And then when I had installed it, I checked out the
HowTos, and then the /man/ pages. I had no problem adjusting, but I do
confess that I had already read a book on (older) UNIX and that I already
had some minor unprivileged-user-level experience with UNIX, both from work
and from College, where we used UNIX terminals to write COBOL programs. ;-)

>> Well, I'm not sure what would happen if an nVidia driver goes berserk
>> again - as it often does here, causing X11 to freeze and garbling up the
>> display once I've killed X11 via the System Request keys, requiring a
>> complete reboot before you can see anything on the screen again - inside
>> a virtual
>> machine running via KVM. I also have no idea of whether the nVidia
>> driver will even _work_ inside a KVM virtual machine.
>
> The testing I have been doing with has involved just a simple cluster of
> virtualized web servers, so haven't had any need of Xorg.

Well, I do intend to have one virtual machine set up as a powerful
workstation, so it does matter to me. ;-)

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Aragorn
(registered GNU/Linux user #223157)

Aragorn

Alex Buell wrote:

> On Tue, 08 Jan 2008 15:28:05 GMT, I waved a wand and this message
> magically appears in front of Aragorn:
>
>> > Thank goodness for x-chat - free if you can compile it!
>>
>> I wholeheartedly recommend KVIrc. ;-) I've been using it for 7 years
>> already - ever since version 0.9 or so. ;-)
>>
>> It's free - both as in "free beer" and as in "free speech" - and
>> while it's extremely userfriendly, it's also extremely powerful due
>> to its built-in scripting language. As a NetAdmin on an IRC network,
>> I heavily rely on it. ;-) It also accepts Perl or Python, I think.
>
> I've also used *****-X - just as good if console only.

Indeed, I've also used *****X at a time when I had a machine that couldn't
start X (due some serious hardware flaws), and I still use it (and
sometimes XChat) every once in a while for testing things from the point of
view of an unprivileged user connection. ;-)

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Aragorn
(registered GNU/Linux user #223157)

Aragorn

J.O. Aho wrote:

> Alex Buell wrote:
>> On Tue, 08 Jan 2008 11:26:27 GMT, I waved a wand and this message
>> magically appears in front of Aragorn:
>>
>>> mIRC
>>
>> Thank goodness for x-chat - free if you can compile it!
>
> I prefer AmIRC, the best GUI based IRC client I have used, which that it
> could be ported to Linux too (sadly closed source).

I've never heard of AmIRC, but KVIrc is also GUI-based. It uses Qt for the
widgets, and it's extremely customizable and scriptable, Ã*nd it's Free
Software (GPL). ;-)

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Aragorn
(registered GNU/Linux user #223157)

J.O. Aho

Aragorn wrote:
> J.O. Aho wrote:
>
>> Alex Buell wrote:
>>> On Tue, 08 Jan 2008 11:26:27 GMT, I waved a wand and this message
>>> magically appears in front of Aragorn:
>>>
>>>> mIRC
>>> Thank goodness for x-chat - free if you can compile it!
>> I prefer AmIRC, the best GUI based IRC client I have used, which that it
>> could be ported to Linux too (sadly closed source).
>
> I've never heard of AmIRC, but KVIrc is also GUI-based. It uses Qt for the
> widgets, and it's extremely customizable and scriptable, ànd it's Free
> Software (GPL). ;-)
>

AmIRC uses MUI, not greatest looking always, but works well.
http://www.vapor.com/amirc/

Requires: MorphOS or AmigaOS (can be used with UAE of course).

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