JAD

<BertieBigBollox@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On 3 Sep, 16:51, "JAD" <john d...@harvesting.addys.for.porn.spam>
> wrote:
>> ALL power connectors are in place?
>> Remove all hardware except PSU -CPU/HSF -1 stick of memory -video. Make sure the 3 pin
>> fan
>> header, reserved for the CPU is connected to the CPU fan.
>> Will it boot?
>
> Yep. Its an Intel socket 478 board so one 20-pin main connector and 1
> square 12v power.
>
> Tried as you suggest - still nothing. LED light on the mobo but
> nothing when I short the power on pins (PSU doesnt start up or
> anything elsee).
>
> If the CPU fan is the problem, would this display the same symptoms?
>
> Or is it looking more like u/s mobo?
>

PSu or MB. Since you have the MB 'all is good lite', I'm thinking PSu is not delivering on
one of the rails.

Vanguard

BertieBigBollox wrote ...
>
> "Vanguard" wrote:
>>
>> WHICH fan stopped working? There are rarely less than 3 fans: CPU,
>> PSU, and 1 case fan. If it was the CPU fan, the BIOS will see the
>> 3rd
>> wire (yellow) from the CPU fan effectively returning zero RPMs
>> which,
>> to the BIOS, means that fan isn't spinning. If the CPU fan looks
>> like
>> it isn't spinning, the BIOS immediately powers down the computer to
>> prevent the CPU from frying.
>
> Dont know which fan. Like I said its a friends PC and I can get any
> sense. They said the fan was very noisy so its probably the PSU fan
> I
> guess - there is no case fan.
>
> So, I suppose it could just be a dead CPU fan?

You could tell by looking. With the PSU connected to the mobo, power
up and check if the CPU fan starts a bit. You could also give it a
spin with your fingers to check if the blades rotate freely. You
won't know until you look inside. I thought you said you already
replaced the PSU with a new one so I figured you had the computer to
look at.

BertieBigBollox@gmail.com

On 3 Sep, 18:04, "JAD" <john d...@harvesting.addys.for.porn.spam>
wrote:
> <BertieBigBol...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1188838315.736843.297920@k79g2000hse.googlegr oups.com...
>
>
>
> > On 3 Sep, 16:51, "JAD" <john d...@harvesting.addys.for.porn.spam>
> > wrote:
> >> ALL power connectors are in place?
> >> Remove all hardware except PSU -CPU/HSF -1 stick of memory -video. Make sure the 3 pin
> >> fan
> >> header, reserved for the CPU is connected to the CPU fan.
> >> Will it boot?
>
> > Yep. Its an Intel socket 478 board so one 20-pin main connector and 1
> > square 12v power.
>
> > Tried as you suggest - still nothing. LED light on the mobo but
> > nothing when I short the power on pins (PSU doesnt start up or
> > anything elsee).
>
> > If the CPU fan is the problem, would this display the same symptoms?
>
> > Or is it looking more like u/s mobo?
>
> PSu or MB. Since you have the MB 'all is good lite', I'm thinking PSu is not delivering on
> one of the rails.

Yes. Original PSU is knackered but still the same with new PSU. So I
think its PSU and mobo.

BertieBigBollox@gmail.com

> You could tell by looking. With the PSU connected to the mobo, power
> up and check if the CPU fan starts a bit. You could also give it a
> spin with your fingers to check if the blades rotate freely. You
> won't know until you look inside. I thought you said you already
> replaced the PSU with a new one so I figured you had the computer to
> look at.

Not a spark out of anything except for the LED on the mobo.

Vanguard

BertieBigBollox wrote ...
>
>> You could tell by looking. With the PSU connected to the mobo,
>> power
>> up and check if the CPU fan starts a bit. You could also give it a
>> spin with your fingers to check if the blades rotate freely. You
>> won't know until you look inside. I thought you said you already
>> replaced the PSU with a new one so I figured you had the computer
>> to
>> look at.
>
> Not a spark out of anything except for the LED on the mobo.


Under the following conditions:
- PSU's 20- or 24-pin connector is *not* connected to the motherboard.
- PS-ON (green wire) shorted to ground (black wire) in the 20- or
24-pin connector.
- A working hard drive is connected to a power tap to provide a load
on the PSU.

Did you then:
- See the fan inside the PSU spin up?
- Hear the hard disk spin up?
- Measure the 5V and 12V wires on the power tap used for the hard
disk?


Under the following minimal hardware setup:
- Remove all daughtercards from slots leaving only one video card
installed.
- Remove all memory except for one stick.
- Remove all but one hard disk.
- Disconnect removable drives (floppy, CD/DVD, Zip).
- All case fans disconnected (you have the side panel removed at this
time).
- 20- or 24-pin connector from PSU connected to header on motherboard.

Did you then:
- See the system power up?
- See any jitter of movement by the CPU, chipset, or any other fan?
- See if the PSU's fan spinning?
- Hear the hard drive spin up?

Check if the Power or Reset switches are defective. Remove the wires
for both the Power and Reset button switches from the header pins on
the motherboard. If there is no white ink printing on the motherboard
to denote which pins are for what function, write down to which pins
the wires went. Then temporarily short across the 2-pin Pwr header on
the motherboard to emulate the momentary switching for the Power
button. You might be able to use a jumper to do the shorting (there
might be one hanging on the CMOS reset pins that you could use). If
it powers up now, one or both of the case switches for Power or Reset
are defective. Check if the buttons above the switches are damaged.
Could be they got smacked and are stuck in.

BertieBigBollox@gmail.com

>
> Under the following conditions:
> - PSU's 20- or 24-pin connector is *not* connected to the motherboard.
> - PS-ON (green wire) shorted to ground (black wire) in the 20- or
> 24-pin connector.
> - A working hard drive is connected to a power tap to provide a load
> on the PSU.
>
> Did you then:
> - See the fan inside the PSU spin up?
> - Hear the hard disk spin up?
> - Measure the 5V and 12V wires on the power tap used for the hard
> disk?

Yes.

>
> Under the following minimal hardware setup:
> - Remove all daughtercards from slots leaving only one video card
> installed.
> - Remove all memory except for one stick.
> - Remove all but one hard disk.
> - Disconnect removable drives (floppy, CD/DVD, Zip).
> - All case fans disconnected (you have the side panel removed at this
> time).
> - 20- or 24-pin connector from PSU connected to header on motherboard.
>
> Did you then:
> - See the system power up?
> - See any jitter of movement by the CPU, chipset, or any other fan?
> - See if the PSU's fan spinning?
> - Hear the hard drive spin up?

Nothing except light on mobo. BTW - theres also a square 12v mobo
connector from the PSU.

>
> Check if the Power or Reset switches are defective. Remove the wires
> for both the Power and Reset button switches from the header pins on
> the motherboard. If there is no white ink printing on the motherboard
> to denote which pins are for what function, write down to which pins
> the wires went. Then temporarily short across the 2-pin Pwr header on
> the motherboard to emulate the momentary switching for the Power
> button. You might be able to use a jumper to do the shorting (there
> might be one hanging on the CMOS reset pins that you could use). If
> it powers up now, one or both of the case switches for Power or Reset
> are defective. Check if the buttons above the switches are damaged.
> Could be they got smacked and are stuck in.

Tries this too. Still nothing...

Vanguard

BertieBigBollox wrote in message
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>> Under the following conditions:
>> - PSU's 20- or 24-pin connector is *not* connected to the
>> motherboard.
>> - PS-ON (green wire) shorted to ground (black wire) in the 20- or
>> 24-pin connector.
>> - A working hard drive is connected to a power tap to provide a
>> load
>> on the PSU.
>>
>> Did you then:
>> - See the fan inside the PSU spin up?
>> - Hear the hard disk spin up?
>> - Measure the 5V and 12V wires on the power tap used for the hard
>> disk?
>
> Yes.

The the PSU is okay.

>> Under the following minimal hardware setup:
>> - Remove all daughtercards from slots leaving only one video card
>> installed.
>> - Remove all memory except for one stick.
>> - Remove all but one hard disk.
>> - Disconnect removable drives (floppy, CD/DVD, Zip).
>> - All case fans disconnected (you have the side panel removed at
>> this
>> time).
>> - 20- or 24-pin connector from PSU connected to header on
>> motherboard.
>>
>> Did you then:
>> - See the system power up?
>> - See any jitter of movement by the CPU, chipset, or any other fan?
>> - See if the PSU's fan spinning?
>> - Hear the hard drive spin up?
>
> Nothing except light on mobo. BTW - theres also a square 12v mobo
> connector from the PSU.

You probably have a mobo with a 20-pin connector for the PSU. The PSU
is made to support a mobo with either a 20- or 24-pin connector.

>> Check if the Power or Reset switches are defective. Remove the
>> wires
>> for both the Power and Reset button switches from the header pins
>> on
>> the motherboard. If there is no white ink printing on the
>> motherboard
>> to denote which pins are for what function, write down to which
>> pins
>> the wires went. Then temporarily short across the 2-pin Pwr header
>> on
>> the motherboard to emulate the momentary switching for the Power
>> button. You might be able to use a jumper to do the shorting
>> (there
>> might be one hanging on the CMOS reset pins that you could use).
>> If
>> it powers up now, one or both of the case switches for Power or
>> Reset
>> are defective. Check if the buttons above the switches are
>> damaged.
>> Could be they got smacked and are stuck in.
>
> Tries this too. Still nothing...

Check the header pins on the mobo for the CPU. See if there is 12V
there. If not, that would explain why the CPU fan doesn't spin. In
that case, you might start hunting for a replacement mobo. Unless you
have another mobo that uses the same type of CPU, you won't be able to
tell if it is the mobo or CPU that is broken. You could get another
mobo that takes the same CPU but it is likely, at that point, that you
would be upgrading to a better CPU and better mobo.

ProfGene

BertieBigBollox@gmail.com wrote:
> Power LED on mobo comes on but nothing when you hit the power button.
> Can I assume the mobo is dead?
>
> Also, just to rule out a power button problem, is it acceptable to
> short (with a jumper) the two-pin power button header on the mobo to
> force a power on that way?
>
It could also be the CPU. I had a motherboard that I could never get to
work but after about three or four years I bought a CPU that it liked
and it started to work.

Roy Collingwood

"ProfGene" <mfevs@winco.net> wrote in message
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> BertieBigBollox@gmail.com wrote:
> > Power LED on mobo comes on but nothing when you hit the power button.
> > Can I assume the mobo is dead?
> >
> > Also, just to rule out a power button problem, is it acceptable to
> > short (with a jumper) the two-pin power button header on the mobo to
> > force a power on that way?

Yes, I keep a short lead with a push-button on the end for testing m;boards
without having to fit into a case
to switch on, you can short the connector, but do not leave it shorted.
Roy

> >
> It could also be the CPU. I had a motherboard that I could never get to
> work but after about three or four years I bought a CPU that it liked
> and it started to work.

ProfGene

BertieBigBollox@gmail.com wrote:
> Power LED on mobo comes on but nothing when you hit the power button.
> Can I assume the mobo is dead?
>
> Also, just to rule out a power button problem, is it acceptable to
> short (with a jumper) the two-pin power button header on the mobo to
> force a power on that way?
>
It could also be the CPU. I had a motherboard that I could never get to
work but after about three or four years I bought a CPU that it liked
and it started to work.