class_a

Conor wrote:
> In article <UMmdnf5akoj83M_anZ2dnUVZ_sbinZ2d@comcast.com>, class_a
> says...
>> raylopez99 wrote:
>>> On Nov 26, 1:00 pm, Linonut <lino...@bollsouth.nut> wrote:
>>>> Bullshit, pure and simple. The thrill of Linux comes from many sources,
>>>> depending on who is using it.
>>> 1% of the computing population is using it.
>> Source?
>>
> Pick any stats site you want.

Easily done, but show me one that says 1% and I'll show you 10 more that
say differently.

class_a

Conor wrote:
> In article <UMmdnf5akoj83M_anZ2dnUVZ_sbinZ2d@comcast.com>, class_a
> says...
>> raylopez99 wrote:
>>> On Nov 26, 1:00 pm, Linonut <lino...@bollsouth.nut> wrote:
>>>> Bullshit, pure and simple. The thrill of Linux comes from many sources,
>>>> depending on who is using it.
>>> 1% of the computing population is using it.
>> Source?
>>
> Pick any stats site you want.

Easily done, but show me one that says 1% and I'll show you 10 more that
say differently.

Johan N

On Nov 24, 12:16 pm, raylopez99 <raylope...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Nov 23, 5:13 pm, "Jack R" <jackr_nos...@msn.com> wrote:
>
> > > Really what I'm looking for in this post is a reply by an experienced
> > > installer who says: "been there, done that, it could be X,Y,Z...and
> > > good luck". Morale support more than anything.
>
> > Two things...
> > Are you hitting 'F6' during the install and loading the SATA drivers?
> > If not, this may be why Vista doesn't see your drive.
> > 2nd, try Ubuntu for a downloadable, bootable Linux distro:http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/download
> > You can run it from the CD, or install.
> > IHTH,
> > Jack R
>
> Jack,
> Tx. I'm downloading Ubuntu now, but it's gonna take 2 hours.
>
Opensuse is fine at handling an install after windows has been
installed too ... hint

> THis problem is, as I researched your suggestion more, a problem with
> SATA drives. See a suggestion here:http://weblogs.asp.net/jkey/archive/...28/423901.aspx
>
> But it 's gonna cost me at least a day...I'll report back any progress
> made.
>
> My latest thinking: try installing Windows2000 again but load the
> driver for SATA Hitachi HD (if I can find it--it wasn't on the CD the
> seller gave me).
>
It's not a driver for the HD ... but a driver for the controller on
your motherboard you're looking for !!
> See below.
>
> Actually my latest thinking is that I have a spare IDE drive, and
Actually that would be quick to do ... and you'd have a quick
indication if it's an issue with SATA-drivers for the chipset at your
motherboard.

> since this is just a gift, I'll unload the SATA drives, which causes
> real pain, and install an IDE drive. Maybe I'll use the Hitachi SATA
> drive for another system.
>
> RL
>
> WikiAnswers:
> First answer by 70.241.88.69. Last edit by 70.241.88.69. Question
> popularity: 1 [recommend question]
>
> INSTALLING WIN XP ON SATA DRIVE
>
> YOU NEED TO LOAD 3RD PARTY DRIVERS WHEN INSTALLING XP FROM CD WATCH
> CLOSE WHEN INSTALL START FOR "PRESS F6 FOR 3RD PARY DRIVERS" IT WILL
> THEN KEEP LOADING WINDOWS AWHILE THEN STOP AND ASK FOR A FLOPPY WITH
> YOU SATA/SCSI DRIVERS ON IT. YOU MAY HAVE TO SLAVE A FLOPPY IN JUST
> FOR THIS OPERATION. YOU CAN USUALLY GET THESE DRIVERS OFF YOU
> MOTHERBOARD DRIVERS CD OR THE MOTHERBOARD MANUFACTURES WEBSITE. I RUN
> INTO THIS PROBLEM ON ABOUT 20-40% OF SATA DRIVES WHEN I NEED TO
> INSTALL XP. GOOD LUCK

Johan N

On Nov 24, 12:26 pm, raylopez99 <raylope...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Nov 23, 4:48 pm, Erik Funkenbusch <e...@despam-funkenbusch.com>
> wrote:
>
> > On Fri, 23 Nov 2007 16:19:00 -0800 (PST), raylopez99 wrote:
> > > Really what I'm looking for in this post is a reply by an experienced
> > > installer who says: "been there, done that, it could be X,Y,Z...and
> > > good luck". Morale support more than anything.
>
> > I have seen the problem before. Things to check:
>
> > Do you have any USB devices attached? I know, stupid question, you've
> > already whittled it down, just double check. Some BIOS's can have goofy
> > results with certain USB devices attached.
>
> USB available but nothing in fact attached.
>
>
>
> > Is the drive configured to be a primary master? Some bios's won't boot off
> > secondary or slave drives. Also, set it to Master explicitly, don't rely
> > on cable-select.
>
> Yes. set in BIOS.
>
>
>
> > Try removing the CD-Rom after the OS is installed. Just for kicks.
>
> Too much bother. Jack in this thread is onto the real problem: SATA
> drives cannot be used to load Windows unless you load external drivers
> during the installation--you have six seconds to do so, and WIndows
> before Vista does not recognize non-floppy drives! And this system
> doesn't have a floppy (only a CD)! Screwed (unless you use a third
> party 'slipstream' utility, see below).
>
> > Try "resetting" the BIOS to defaults. I've seen corrupted CMOS do that.
> > Also try clearing the CMOS via jumper.
>
> Too much bother. But thanks.
>
>
>
> > Try something stupid, like download a DOS boot disk from bootdisk.com.
>
> I will, but this will not fix anything (perhaps). I'm almost sure of
> it. You will get DOS to install, but unless you want to use DOS,
> you're soon back to square one (perhaps). Recall: I do get Vista to
> install, though the system hangs on reboot (I'm using Bart's PE CD to
> spy on the Sata HD once the installation of Vista "hangs", and I can
> see that stuff exists on the HD from Vista, including game folders
> like Chess and Minesweeper, so Vista is seeing the HD and doing stuff
> to it).
>
> > Swap out the IDE cable, i've seen bad cables cause all kinds of weird
> > issues. You may have to re-install because a bad pin on the cable could
> > mean it never wrote the data to the right sector.
>
> > If you have an older drive, even if it's ancient, try that.. just to see if
> > it's the drive itself causing problems.
>
> Yes, good point, I will install IDE not SATA. This is my latest
> workaround. Otherwise I'd have to do all kinds of tricks including
> using a third party utility to 'slipstream' the installation using a
> CD with SATA drivers (which for Hitachi I'm having a hard time
> finding) burned in: see:http://weblogs.asp.net/jkey/archive/...28/423901.aspx
>
> Verdict: installation of OSes suck, and I doubt Linux is any
> better.
Well then I can only recommend you make a standard install with a
Linux distro - you'll be surprised

>
> > If you have the ability to flash the BIOS to a later revision, try that
> > too.
>
> This bios is from this year. Not the problem.

Did you actually check, if the fixed an issue in regard to your
problem ... do check the changelog !!
>
> Oh well, I didn't spend that much money so I can't complain (one-fifth
> of US prices). I'll simply use the SATA HD as a secondary HD, use an
> older IDE as the primary HD, and see if that works. I'll report back
> my results. Thanks for your help, I really appreciate it.
>
> RL

Johan N

On Nov 24, 12:38 pm, Kier <val...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
> On Sat, 24 Nov 2007 03:26:30 -0800, raylopez99 wrote:
> > Verdict: installation of OSes suck, and I doubt Linux is any
> > better.
>
> Well, actually, in that you would be quite wrong. Linux is, for the most
> part, amazingly easy to install. I should know, since I've installed a
> great many distros on various machines, both laptop and desktop, over the
> past few years. At first it was a modest challenge, but nowadays it's a
> breeze.
>
> For one thing, the modern distros all have built in partioning tools
> (Mandriva is one of the best in this regard, their GUI partitioner is
> absolutely excellent and very straight-forward and simple to use and
> understand). Also, most a the required drivers for hardware and present
> upion installation. YOu can also choose what software you want to install,
> or just go for the defaults.
>
> Most distros will also pick up any Windows installation and add it to the
> sequence so it can be chosen at boot time.
>
> So basically, unless you are very unlucky with your hardware - which tends
> to happen less and less these days - installing Linux doesn't suck at all.
>
> --
> Kier

Agree fully with Kier .... just try any of the big distros ...
fedora / centos / opensuse / Ubuntu ... your choice

Kier

On Mon, 03 Dec 2007 00:41:59 -0800, Johan N wrote:

> On Nov 24, 12:38 pm, Kier <val...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
>> On Sat, 24 Nov 2007 03:26:30 -0800, raylopez99 wrote:
>> > Verdict: installation of OSes suck, and I doubt Linux is any
>> > better.
>>
>> Well, actually, in that you would be quite wrong. Linux is, for the most
>> part, amazingly easy to install. I should know, since I've installed a
>> great many distros on various machines, both laptop and desktop, over the
>> past few years. At first it was a modest challenge, but nowadays it's a
>> breeze.
>>
>> For one thing, the modern distros all have built in partioning tools
>> (Mandriva is one of the best in this regard, their GUI partitioner is
>> absolutely excellent and very straight-forward and simple to use and
>> understand). Also, most a the required drivers for hardware and present
>> upion installation. YOu can also choose what software you want to install,
>> or just go for the defaults.
>>
>> Most distros will also pick up any Windows installation and add it to the
>> sequence so it can be chosen at boot time.
>>
>> So basically, unless you are very unlucky with your hardware - which tends
>> to happen less and less these days - installing Linux doesn't suck at all.
>>
>> --
>> Kier
>
> Agree fully with Kier .... just try any of the big distros ...
> fedora / centos / opensuse / Ubuntu ... your choice

Though Fedora is very good, I wouldn't always recommend it to a
first-timer, as it tends to showcase the bleeding edge, and that can
occasionally bring problems. I'd go with Ubuntu, Mandriva or SUse, (either
open or SLED, they're both excellent), or perhaps PCLinuxOS or Mint.

--
Kier

chrisv

Conor wrote:

>In article <UMmdnf5akoj83M_anZ2dnUVZ_sbinZ2d@comcast.com>, class_a
>says...
>> raylopez99 wrote:
>> > On Nov 26, 1:00 pm, Linonut <lino...@bollsouth.nut> wrote:
>> >> Bullshit, pure and simple. The thrill of Linux comes from many sources,
>> >> depending on who is using it.
>> >
>> > 1% of the computing population is using it.
>>
>> Source?
>>
>Pick any stats site you want.

WTF? I thought you were already binned. Must have been a different
group.

*plonk*

PeterC

On Mon, 03 Dec 2007 09:27:12 +0000, Kier wrote:

>> Agree fully with Kier .... just try any of the big distros ...
>> fedora / centos / opensuse / Ubuntu ... your choice
>
> Though Fedora is very good, I wouldn't always recommend it to a
> first-timer, as it tends to showcase the bleeding edge, and that can
> occasionally bring problems. I'd go with Ubuntu, Mandriva or SUse, (either
> open or SLED, they're both excellent), or perhaps PCLinuxOS or Mint.

Just set up PCLOS here - tried several, including those above - and found
that PCLOS seemed to be the most useable. Freespire seemed weird (or I).
--
Peter.
You don't understand Newton's Third Law of Motion?
It's not rocket science, you know.

chrisv

Conor wrote:

>In article <UMmdnf5akoj83M_anZ2dnUVZ_sbinZ2d@comcast.com>, class_a
>says...
>> raylopez99 wrote:
>> > On Nov 26, 1:00 pm, Linonut <lino...@bollsouth.nut> wrote:
>> >> Bullshit, pure and simple. The thrill of Linux comes from many sources,
>> >> depending on who is using it.
>> >
>> > 1% of the computing population is using it.
>>
>> Source?
>>
>Pick any stats site you want.

WTF? I thought you were already binned. Must have been a different
group.

*plonk*

PeterC

On Mon, 03 Dec 2007 09:27:12 +0000, Kier wrote:

>> Agree fully with Kier .... just try any of the big distros ...
>> fedora / centos / opensuse / Ubuntu ... your choice
>
> Though Fedora is very good, I wouldn't always recommend it to a
> first-timer, as it tends to showcase the bleeding edge, and that can
> occasionally bring problems. I'd go with Ubuntu, Mandriva or SUse, (either
> open or SLED, they're both excellent), or perhaps PCLinuxOS or Mint.

Just set up PCLOS here - tried several, including those above - and found
that PCLOS seemed to be the most useable. Freespire seemed weird (or I).
--
Peter.
You don't understand Newton's Third Law of Motion?
It's not rocket science, you know.