Screen Resolution Problem

Keith W

Along with my normal PC I have a second elderly one that is used for back
ups and general messing about. They share keyboard, mouse and widescreen
monitor via a KVM switch. The second machine is a Pentium 3 (500mhz) with
an Intel 810 mobo and an ATI Rage Pro Turbo PCI graphics card. I have
Windows XP Pro installed and the latest drivers for the card from the ATI
website. However, it cannot produce the 1440x900 resolution that the mintor
requires and I am having to make do with 1280x1024 which reduces picture
quality somewhat but I had accepted that, because of the age of the machine,
it was all I could get and I cannot justify buying a new card. Now
however, I have just made it dual boot by installing xubuntu and amazingly
that has identified the monitor size and is producing 1440x900 through the
same mobo and graphics card.

My question is, now that I know Linux can do it, how can I accomplish it in
Windows? I have tried Powerstrip but that gives the same results as
before, i.e. 1280x1024.

--
Keith W
Sunbury on Thames
(If you can't laugh at life, it ain't worth living)

Grinder

Keith W wrote:
> Along with my normal PC I have a second elderly one that is used for back
> ups and general messing about. They share keyboard, mouse and widescreen
> monitor via a KVM switch. The second machine is a Pentium 3 (500mhz) with
> an Intel 810 mobo and an ATI Rage Pro Turbo PCI graphics card. I have
> Windows XP Pro installed and the latest drivers for the card from the ATI
> website. However, it cannot produce the 1440x900 resolution that the mintor
> requires and I am having to make do with 1280x1024 which reduces picture
> quality somewhat but I had accepted that, because of the age of the machine,
> it was all I could get and I cannot justify buying a new card. Now
> however, I have just made it dual boot by installing xubuntu and amazingly
> that has identified the monitor size and is producing 1440x900 through the
> same mobo and graphics card.
>
> My question is, now that I know Linux can do it, how can I accomplish it in
> Windows? I have tried Powerstrip but that gives the same results as
> before, i.e. 1280x1024.

You added a custom resolution? I would have thought that would work.
It has for me, several times, but it's only diagnostic as I'm too cheap
to shell out $30 for the benefit. There is an earlier version kept on
the site because some of the older video cards are no longer supported.
You might try that.

Check out Tip #4 on this list:


That looks a bit promising to me so I think I'll try to make that final
tweak on my neighbor's setup. I'll let you know how it turns out.

Grinder

Grinder wrote:
> Keith W wrote:
>> Along with my normal PC I have a second elderly one that is used for
>> back ups and general messing about. They share keyboard, mouse and
>> widescreen monitor via a KVM switch. The second machine is a
>> Pentium 3 (500mhz) with an Intel 810 mobo and an ATI Rage Pro Turbo
>> PCI graphics card. I have Windows XP Pro installed and the latest
>> drivers for the card from the ATI website. However, it cannot produce
>> the 1440x900 resolution that the mintor requires and I am having to
>> make do with 1280x1024 which reduces picture quality somewhat but I
>> had accepted that, because of the age of the machine, it was all I
>> could get and I cannot justify buying a new card. Now however, I
>> have just made it dual boot by installing xubuntu and amazingly that
>> has identified the monitor size and is producing 1440x900 through the
>> same mobo and graphics card.
>>
>> My question is, now that I know Linux can do it, how can I accomplish
>> it in Windows? I have tried Powerstrip but that gives the same
>> results as before, i.e. 1280x1024.
>
> You added a custom resolution? I would have thought that would work. It
> has for me, several times, but it's only diagnostic as I'm too cheap to
> shell out $30 for the benefit. There is an earlier version kept on the
> site because some of the older video cards are no longer supported. You
> might try that.
>
> Check out Tip #4 on this list:
>
>
> That looks a bit promising to me so I think I'll try to make that final
> tweak on my neighbor's setup. I'll let you know how it turns out.

Ok, I tried the tip and it didn't work. The registry just got changed
back on restart.

I installed Powerstrip, and had mixed results. Creating and installing
a custom monitor inf did get the stated maximum (optimal) resolution to
show up in my options. I was, however, able to add that resolution
within Powerstrip, and it worked after a restart.

Keith W

"Grinder" <.maam.com> wrote in message
news:z9X6k.217613$yE1.154032@attbi_s21...
> Grinder wrote:
>> Keith W wrote:
>>> Along with my normal PC I have a second elderly one that is used for
>>> back ups and general messing about. They share keyboard, mouse and
>>> widescreen monitor via a KVM switch. The second machine is a Pentium
>>> 3 (500mhz) with an Intel 810 mobo and an ATI Rage Pro Turbo PCI graphics
>>> card. I have Windows XP Pro installed and the latest drivers for the
>>> card from the ATI website. However, it cannot produce the 1440x900
>>> resolution that the mintor requires and I am having to make do with
>>> 1280x1024 which reduces picture quality somewhat but I had accepted
>>> that, because of the age of the machine, it was all I could get and I
>>> cannot justify buying a new card. Now however, I have just made it
>>> dual boot by installing xubuntu and amazingly that has identified the
>>> monitor size and is producing 1440x900 through the same mobo and
>>> graphics card.
>>>
>>> My question is, now that I know Linux can do it, how can I accomplish it
>>> in Windows? I have tried Powerstrip but that gives the same results as
>>> before, i.e. 1280x1024.
>>
>> You added a custom resolution? I would have thought that would work. It
>> has for me, several times, but it's only diagnostic as I'm too cheap to
>> shell out $30 for the benefit. There is an earlier version kept on the
>> site because some of the older video cards are no longer supported. You
>> might try that.
>>
>> Check out Tip #4 on this list:
>>
>>
>> That looks a bit promising to me so I think I'll try to make that final
>> tweak on my neighbor's setup. I'll let you know how it turns out.
>
> Ok, I tried the tip and it didn't work. The registry just got changed
> back on restart.
>
> I installed Powerstrip, and had mixed results. Creating and installing a
> custom monitor inf did get the stated maximum (optimal) resolution to show
> up in my options. I was, however, able to add that resolution within
> Powerstrip, and it worked after a restart.
>

I tried Powerstrip, which has worked for me on other PCs but in this instant
the vertical and horizontal settings are locked and just beep when I try to
change them. I will download the earlier one that you mention and try
that.

Keith W

Grinder

Keith W wrote:
> "Grinder" <.maam.com> wrote in message
> news:z9X6k.217613$yE1.154032@attbi_s21...
>> Grinder wrote:
>>> Keith W wrote:
>>>> Along with my normal PC I have a second elderly one that is used for
>>>> back ups and general messing about. They share keyboard, mouse and
>>>> widescreen monitor via a KVM switch. The second machine is a Pentium
>>>> 3 (500mhz) with an Intel 810 mobo and an ATI Rage Pro Turbo PCI graphics
>>>> card. I have Windows XP Pro installed and the latest drivers for the
>>>> card from the ATI website. However, it cannot produce the 1440x900
>>>> resolution that the mintor requires and I am having to make do with
>>>> 1280x1024 which reduces picture quality somewhat but I had accepted
>>>> that, because of the age of the machine, it was all I could get and I
>>>> cannot justify buying a new card. Now however, I have just made it
>>>> dual boot by installing xubuntu and amazingly that has identified the
>>>> monitor size and is producing 1440x900 through the same mobo and
>>>> graphics card.
>>>>
>>>> My question is, now that I know Linux can do it, how can I accomplish it
>>>> in Windows? I have tried Powerstrip but that gives the same results as
>>>> before, i.e. 1280x1024.
>>> You added a custom resolution? I would have thought that would work. It
>>> has for me, several times, but it's only diagnostic as I'm too cheap to
>>> shell out $30 for the benefit. There is an earlier version kept on the
>>> site because some of the older video cards are no longer supported. You
>>> might try that.
>>>
>>> Check out Tip #4 on this list:
>>>
>>>
>>> That looks a bit promising to me so I think I'll try to make that final
>>> tweak on my neighbor's setup. I'll let you know how it turns out.
>> Ok, I tried the tip and it didn't work. The registry just got changed
>> back on restart.
>>
>> I installed Powerstrip, and had mixed results. Creating and installing a
>> custom monitor inf did get the stated maximum (optimal) resolution to show
>> up in my options. I was, however, able to add that resolution within
>> Powerstrip, and it worked after a restart.
>>
>
> I tried Powerstrip, which has worked for me on other PCs but in this instant
> the vertical and horizontal settings are locked and just beep when I try to
> change them. I will download the earlier one that you mention and try
> that.

Ok, for what it's worth, I have a Windows 98 SE system around here that
has an 8MB ATI 3D Rage Pro AGP in it, and I've hooked it up to a
1440x900 LCD monitor.

1) Windows 98 does not offer the native resolution for selection.

2) Powerstrip 2.78 complains that what I want to do is
"not supported" when I try to set the resolution

3) Powerstrip 3.78 allows me to add a custom resolution
without complaint, but *****es on restart. The new
resolution has not been added.

4) Xubuntu 7.10 can display 1440x900 with no problems.

Paul

Grinder wrote:
> Keith W wrote:
>> "Grinder" <.maam.com> wrote in message
>> news:z9X6k.217613$yE1.154032@attbi_s21...
>>> Grinder wrote:
>>>> Keith W wrote:
>>>>> Along with my normal PC I have a second elderly one that is used
>>>>> for back ups and general messing about. They share keyboard,
>>>>> mouse and widescreen monitor via a KVM switch. The second
>>>>> machine is a Pentium 3 (500mhz) with an Intel 810 mobo and an ATI
>>>>> Rage Pro Turbo PCI graphics card. I have Windows XP Pro
>>>>> installed and the latest drivers for the card from the ATI
>>>>> website. However, it cannot produce the 1440x900 resolution that
>>>>> the mintor requires and I am having to make do with 1280x1024 which
>>>>> reduces picture quality somewhat but I had accepted that, because
>>>>> of the age of the machine, it was all I could get and I cannot
>>>>> justify buying a new card. Now however, I have just made it dual
>>>>> boot by installing xubuntu and amazingly that has identified the
>>>>> monitor size and is producing 1440x900 through the same mobo and
>>>>> graphics card.
>>>>>
>>>>> My question is, now that I know Linux can do it, how can I
>>>>> accomplish it in Windows? I have tried Powerstrip but that gives
>>>>> the same results as before, i.e. 1280x1024.
>>>> You added a custom resolution? I would have thought that would
>>>> work. It has for me, several times, but it's only diagnostic as I'm
>>>> too cheap to shell out $30 for the benefit. There is an earlier
>>>> version kept on the site because some of the older video cards are
>>>> no longer supported. You might try that.
>>>>
>>>> Check out Tip #4 on this list:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> That looks a bit promising to me so I think I'll try to make that
>>>> final tweak on my neighbor's setup. I'll let you know how it turns
>>>> out.
>>> Ok, I tried the tip and it didn't work. The registry just got
>>> changed back on restart.
>>>
>>> I installed Powerstrip, and had mixed results. Creating and
>>> installing a custom monitor inf did get the stated maximum (optimal)
>>> resolution to show up in my options. I was, however, able to add
>>> that resolution within Powerstrip, and it worked after a restart.
>>>
>>
>> I tried Powerstrip, which has worked for me on other PCs but in this
>> instant the vertical and horizontal settings are locked and just beep
>> when I try to change them. I will download the earlier one that you
>> mention and try that.
>
> Ok, for what it's worth, I have a Windows 98 SE system around here that
> has an 8MB ATI 3D Rage Pro AGP in it, and I've hooked it up to a
> 1440x900 LCD monitor.
>
> 1) Windows 98 does not offer the native resolution for selection.
>
> 2) Powerstrip 2.78 complains that what I want to do is
> "not supported" when I try to set the resolution
>
> 3) Powerstrip 3.78 allows me to add a custom resolution
> without complaint, but *****es on restart. The new
> resolution has not been added.
>
> 4) Xubuntu 7.10 can display 1440x900 with no problems.

I don't think this is important, but what color depth is being used ?

X Windows is flexible, and I spent more of my life staring at an
8 bit color depth, than any other. Maybe your Xubuntu test case
is not in 32 bit color depth, but one of the lesser options ?

Some of the old video cards, offered their top resolutions in
a reduced color depth.

Paul

Keith W

"Grinder" <.maam.com> wrote in message
news:zOf7k.165871$TT4.68540@attbi_s22...
> Keith W wrote:
>> "Grinder" <.maam.com> wrote in message
>> news:z9X6k.217613$yE1.154032@attbi_s21...
>>> Grinder wrote:
>>>> Keith W wrote:
>>>>> Along with my normal PC I have a second elderly one that is used for
>>>>> back ups and general messing about. They share keyboard, mouse and
>>>>> widescreen monitor via a KVM switch. The second machine is a
>>>>> Pentium 3 (500mhz) with an Intel 810 mobo and an ATI Rage Pro Turbo
>>>>> PCI graphics card. I have Windows XP Pro installed and the latest
>>>>> drivers for the card from the ATI website. However, it cannot produce
>>>>> the 1440x900 resolution that the mintor requires and I am having to
>>>>> make do with 1280x1024 which reduces picture quality somewhat but I
>>>>> had accepted that, because of the age of the machine, it was all I
>>>>> could get and I cannot justify buying a new card. Now however, I
>>>>> have just made it dual boot by installing xubuntu and amazingly that
>>>>> has identified the monitor size and is producing 1440x900 through the
>>>>> same mobo and graphics card.
>>>>>
>>>>> My question is, now that I know Linux can do it, how can I accomplish
>>>>> it in Windows? I have tried Powerstrip but that gives the same
>>>>> results as before, i.e. 1280x1024.
>>>> You added a custom resolution? I would have thought that would work.
>>>> It has for me, several times, but it's only diagnostic as I'm too cheap
>>>> to shell out $30 for the benefit. There is an earlier version kept on
>>>> the site because some of the older video cards are no longer supported.
>>>> You might try that.
>>>>
>>>> Check out Tip #4 on this list:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> That looks a bit promising to me so I think I'll try to make that final
>>>> tweak on my neighbor's setup. I'll let you know how it turns out.
>>> Ok, I tried the tip and it didn't work. The registry just got changed
>>> back on restart.
>>>
>>> I installed Powerstrip, and had mixed results. Creating and installing
>>> a custom monitor inf did get the stated maximum (optimal) resolution to
>>> show up in my options. I was, however, able to add that resolution
>>> within Powerstrip, and it worked after a restart.
>>>
>>
>> I tried Powerstrip, which has worked for me on other PCs but in this
>> instant the vertical and horizontal settings are locked and just beep
>> when I try to change them. I will download the earlier one that you
>> mention and try that.
>
> Ok, for what it's worth, I have a Windows 98 SE system around here that
> has an 8MB ATI 3D Rage Pro AGP in it, and I've hooked it up to a 1440x900
> LCD monitor.
>
> 1) Windows 98 does not offer the native resolution for selection.
>
> 2) Powerstrip 2.78 complains that what I want to do is
> "not supported" when I try to set the resolution
>
> 3) Powerstrip 3.78 allows me to add a custom resolution
> without complaint, but *****es on restart. The new
> resolution has not been added.
>
> 4) Xubuntu 7.10 can display 1440x900 with no problems.

My mobo is an Intel 810 with the clever arrangement of onbard AGP graphics
but no AGP slot, hence the Rage is PCI. I have now removed the Rage and
reverted to the onbard graphics with the latest Intel driver and I have
achieved 1280x960 which is at least nearer to what I want and has eliminated
the wavy lines that I was experiencing. Xubuntu didn't even notice the
change and still gives me the correct 1440x900.
--
Keith W
Sunbury on Thames
(If you can't laugh at life, it ain't worth living)

Keith W

"Paul" <> wrote in message news:g3l05t$poj$...
> Grinder wrote:
>> Keith W wrote:
>>> "Grinder" <.maam.com> wrote in message
>>> news:z9X6k.217613$yE1.154032@attbi_s21...
>>>> Grinder wrote:
>>>>> Keith W wrote:
>>>>>> Along with my normal PC I have a second elderly one that is used for
>>>>>> back ups and general messing about. They share keyboard, mouse and
>>>>>> widescreen monitor via a KVM switch. The second machine is a
>>>>>> Pentium 3 (500mhz) with an Intel 810 mobo and an ATI Rage Pro Turbo
>>>>>> PCI graphics card. I have Windows XP Pro installed and the latest
>>>>>> drivers for the card from the ATI website. However, it cannot
>>>>>> produce the 1440x900 resolution that the mintor requires and I am
>>>>>> having to make do with 1280x1024 which reduces picture quality
>>>>>> somewhat but I had accepted that, because of the age of the machine,
>>>>>> it was all I could get and I cannot justify buying a new card. Now
>>>>>> however, I have just made it dual boot by installing xubuntu and
>>>>>> amazingly that has identified the monitor size and is producing
>>>>>> 1440x900 through the same mobo and graphics card.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My question is, now that I know Linux can do it, how can I accomplish
>>>>>> it in Windows? I have tried Powerstrip but that gives the same
>>>>>> results as before, i.e. 1280x1024.
>>>>> You added a custom resolution? I would have thought that would work.
>>>>> It has for me, several times, but it's only diagnostic as I'm too
>>>>> cheap to shell out $30 for the benefit. There is an earlier version
>>>>> kept on the site because some of the older video cards are no longer
>>>>> supported. You might try that.
>>>>>
>>>>> Check out Tip #4 on this list:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> That looks a bit promising to me so I think I'll try to make that
>>>>> final tweak on my neighbor's setup. I'll let you know how it turns
>>>>> out.
>>>> Ok, I tried the tip and it didn't work. The registry just got changed
>>>> back on restart.
>>>>
>>>> I installed Powerstrip, and had mixed results. Creating and installing
>>>> a custom monitor inf did get the stated maximum (optimal) resolution to
>>>> show up in my options. I was, however, able to add that resolution
>>>> within Powerstrip, and it worked after a restart.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I tried Powerstrip, which has worked for me on other PCs but in this
>>> instant the vertical and horizontal settings are locked and just beep
>>> when I try to change them. I will download the earlier one that you
>>> mention and try that.
>>
>> Ok, for what it's worth, I have a Windows 98 SE system around here that
>> has an 8MB ATI 3D Rage Pro AGP in it, and I've hooked it up to a 1440x900
>> LCD monitor.
>>
>> 1) Windows 98 does not offer the native resolution for selection.
>>
>> 2) Powerstrip 2.78 complains that what I want to do is
>> "not supported" when I try to set the resolution
>>
>> 3) Powerstrip 3.78 allows me to add a custom resolution
>> without complaint, but *****es on restart. The new
>> resolution has not been added.
>>
>> 4) Xubuntu 7.10 can display 1440x900 with no problems.
>
> I don't think this is important, but what color depth is being used ?
>
> X Windows is flexible, and I spent more of my life staring at an
> 8 bit color depth, than any other. Maybe your Xubuntu test case
> is not in 32 bit color depth, but one of the lesser options ?
>
> Some of the old video cards, offered their top resolutions in
> a reduced color depth.
>

I don't know what colour depth the Linux is giving although it looks fine.
However, I have tried reducing the colour depth in Win XP and it makes not a
ha'peth of difference.
--
Keith W
Sunbury on Thames
(If you can't laugh at life, it ain't worth living)

Grinder

Paul wrote:
> Grinder wrote:
>> Keith W wrote:
>>> "Grinder" <.maam.com> wrote in message
>>> news:z9X6k.217613$yE1.154032@attbi_s21...
>>>> Grinder wrote:
>>>>> Keith W wrote:
>>>>>> Along with my normal PC I have a second elderly one that is used
>>>>>> for back ups and general messing about. They share keyboard,
>>>>>> mouse and widescreen monitor via a KVM switch. The second
>>>>>> machine is a Pentium 3 (500mhz) with an Intel 810 mobo and an ATI
>>>>>> Rage Pro Turbo PCI graphics card. I have Windows XP Pro
>>>>>> installed and the latest drivers for the card from the ATI
>>>>>> website. However, it cannot produce the 1440x900 resolution that
>>>>>> the mintor requires and I am having to make do with 1280x1024
>>>>>> which reduces picture quality somewhat but I had accepted that,
>>>>>> because of the age of the machine, it was all I could get and I
>>>>>> cannot justify buying a new card. Now however, I have just made
>>>>>> it dual boot by installing xubuntu and amazingly that has
>>>>>> identified the monitor size and is producing 1440x900 through the
>>>>>> same mobo and graphics card.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My question is, now that I know Linux can do it, how can I
>>>>>> accomplish it in Windows? I have tried Powerstrip but that gives
>>>>>> the same results as before, i.e. 1280x1024.
>>>>> You added a custom resolution? I would have thought that would
>>>>> work. It has for me, several times, but it's only diagnostic as I'm
>>>>> too cheap to shell out $30 for the benefit. There is an earlier
>>>>> version kept on the site because some of the older video cards are
>>>>> no longer supported. You might try that.
>>>>>
>>>>> Check out Tip #4 on this list:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> That looks a bit promising to me so I think I'll try to make that
>>>>> final tweak on my neighbor's setup. I'll let you know how it turns
>>>>> out.
>>>> Ok, I tried the tip and it didn't work. The registry just got
>>>> changed back on restart.
>>>>
>>>> I installed Powerstrip, and had mixed results. Creating and
>>>> installing a custom monitor inf did get the stated maximum (optimal)
>>>> resolution to show up in my options. I was, however, able to add
>>>> that resolution within Powerstrip, and it worked after a restart.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I tried Powerstrip, which has worked for me on other PCs but in this
>>> instant the vertical and horizontal settings are locked and just beep
>>> when I try to change them. I will download the earlier one that you
>>> mention and try that.
>>
>> Ok, for what it's worth, I have a Windows 98 SE system around here
>> that has an 8MB ATI 3D Rage Pro AGP in it, and I've hooked it up to a
>> 1440x900 LCD monitor.
>>
>> 1) Windows 98 does not offer the native resolution for selection.
>>
>> 2) Powerstrip 2.78 complains that what I want to do is
>> "not supported" when I try to set the resolution
>>
>> 3) Powerstrip 3.78 allows me to add a custom resolution
>> without complaint, but *****es on restart. The new
>> resolution has not been added.
>>
>> 4) Xubuntu 7.10 can display 1440x900 with no problems.
>
> I don't think this is important, but what color depth is being used ?
>
> X Windows is flexible, and I spent more of my life staring at an
> 8 bit color depth, than any other. Maybe your Xubuntu test case
> is not in 32 bit color depth, but one of the lesser options ?
>
> Some of the old video cards, offered their top resolutions in
> a reduced color depth.

I think there's enough memory to go around. I'm not certain of this,
but I've noticed on several occasions that you can predict resolution
and bit depths from a simple calculation:

For a 1MB video card:

640 x 480 x 3 Bpp (24 bpp) = 921600 B <= 1MB
800 x 600 x 2 Bpp (16 bpp) = 960000 B <= 1MB
1024 x 768 x 1 Bpp (8 bpp) = 786432 B <= 1MB
1152 x 864 x 1 Bpp (8 bpp) = 995328 B <= 1MB

I don't recall that 4-bit color can count as 0.5 Bpp.

By the time you get to 8MB you've got enough to run 1600 x 1200 x 32
bpp. It seems almost to simplistic to be true, but I've yet to see the
rule violated.

In this situation, we're both using ATI 3D Rage Pros, which run a
minimum of 8MB.

1440 x 900 x 4 Bpp (32 bpp) = 5184000 B <= 8MB