John Taylor

Chris wrote:

>
> A third choice is to use a Virtual Machine to test Linux in. On Windows
> I think that Parallels and VMWare are both pay-way, but Virtual Box os
> free. I use VB a fair bit on my Mac laptop to test a few distros and
> it's really easy to use. You need a fair amount of RAM (at least 1GB) to
> be able to use a VM though.
>

VMWare Server (and I think Player) is also free (of charge).

You can use it to run Linux on Windows and vice versa.
I use it to run Windows 2000 on my Linux desktop for those times where I
need to run DreamWeaver, or run SQLServer.

The performance is very good.
I think this is helped by the fact that I can do without a virus checker
when running in the VM.

Regards
JohnT

John Taylor

Johnny B Good wrote:
> The message <nqv2j.13195$Ew3.12662@newsfe7-gui.ntli.net>
> from John Taylor <john@example.com> contains these words:
>
>> Mike the Brewer wrote:
>
>>> Also Virgin Media cable broadband specified Win XP, I wonder if I
>>> will have to use
>>> different software to connect with Linux, also what web
>>> browser and
>>> email software are needed
>>> ( including newsgroups ! )
>
>> You don't need any special software to connect with Virgin Media cable
>> broadband.
>
>> They supply you with a router.
>
> No, they supply you with a _cable_modem_.

No real difference from the machines point of view.
You send it packets, and it routes them to the internet.

>
>> You just need to tell your system where it is, and thats it!.
>
> Not even that if the PC is set up to act as a DHCP client (the default
> in windows boxen).

But he's trying to install linux

>
>> If you install Linux with it connected, the install will probably find
>> it and configure it for you.
>
> Provided you configure the network interface to use DHCP.
>

Get out of bed on the wrong side today, or are you in training for a
pedant contest ?

If you have it plugged in when you install.
It IS automatically detected and configured for DHCP by the system.
You don't need to configure it for DHCP.

Geoffrey Clements

"Johnny B Good" <jcs.computersbutt@plugzetnet.co.uk> wrote in message
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[snip]

>
> However, thank god for ongoing hardware developments, we'll soon be able
> to realistically consider relegating the latest ms offerings to a VM
> from within a Linux build. :-)
>

You can do that now (well I don't know about Vista) with Xp, qemu lets you
run Xp as a virtual machine.

--
Geoff

Chris

Alang wrote:
> On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 06:25:13 +0000, Andy Cap <Andy_Cap@nosuch.co.uk>
> wrote:
> A good news reader and a way to
> export my mail archive from outlook is pretty much all that is
> stopping me going over to my linux drive at home for good.

Exporting your outlook emails is relatively painless.

1. Install Thunderbird in Windows
2. Import Outlook E-mails
3. Locate profile data for Thunderbird in Windows and make note of path
or copy to removable medium
4. In Linux install Thunderbird if not already installed by default
5. copy over Windows profile data to $HOME/.thunderbird
6. Run thunderbird to verify archive
7. (optional) import emails from thunderbird to preferred mail client.

There are other more 'hacky' ways of doing this, but this is one method
I know that works.

spike1@freenet.co.uk

Mike the Brewer <mike.tech@sysmotor.org> did eloquently scribble:
> Also Virgin Media cable broadband specified Win XP, I wonder if I
> will have to use different software to connect with Linux, also what
> web browser and email software are needed ( including newsgroups ! )

That is not a problem.

I was on NTL/virgin for 2 years (just switched to sky broadband in august
when I moved house cos it's cheaper). Connection is just a matter of
plugging a network cable into the back of the pc and into the cable modem.
Setup your network to use DHCP and it just works.

They only specify XP because that's all the phone support can support.
(and at the prices they charge, you're better off not using their support
anyway)

Usenet is no problem. There's no specialist windows only software required.
All you need is a usenet client (and there're more free usenet clients for
linux than you can shake a stick at) and perhaps leafnode (which is a small
scale usenet server, takes the load off your connection cos you're reading
your news locally).

What webbrowser do you use normally? Firefox and opera are available for
linux. IE isn't, and that's a blessing. E-mail software? Plenty to choose
from in linux, from simple textmode like elm and pine to GUI ones like
evolution, sycamore, thunderbird, etc.

Office apps? Koffice and OpenOffice are both viable alternatives to
microsoft.
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Alang <invalid@invalid.co.uk> did eloquently scribble:
> I was using agent with wine until saturday when all of a sudden I
> could not post. Select post reply and Agent shut down. Tried PAN as an
> alternative but at teh moment can't get the hang of how it is handling
> threads and the filters seem non existant.

Try slrn. (I still use tin, but slrn is more featurfull apparently)
You could try mutt for mail, too. No need for agent in linux at all.
There're dozens of e-mail and news clients to try, one of them is bound to
work for you.

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Alang

On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 16:19:48 +0000, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:

>Alang wrote:
>> On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 06:25:13 +0000, Andy Cap <Andy_Cap@nosuch.co.uk>
>> wrote:
>> A good news reader and a way to
>> export my mail archive from outlook is pretty much all that is
>> stopping me going over to my linux drive at home for good.
>
>Exporting your outlook emails is relatively painless.
>
>1. Install Thunderbird in Windows
>2. Import Outlook E-mails
>3. Locate profile data for Thunderbird in Windows and make note of path
>or copy to removable medium
>4. In Linux install Thunderbird if not already installed by default
>5. copy over Windows profile data to $HOME/.thunderbird
>6. Run thunderbird to verify archive
>7. (optional) import emails from thunderbird to preferred mail client.
>
>There are other more 'hacky' ways of doing this, but this is one method
>I know that works.

Thanks.I'll try it.


Still need a news reader.
Tried again with Pan and installed Tbird too.
Tbird has problems with text size. My eyesight isn't too good. I can
set the body text in agent to a readable size. Can't do it in Tbird
because it sets quoted text at different sizes. Makes the message all
but unreadable without constantly altering text size.

Think I'll have to seriously work on why wine has suddenly stopped
woking with Agent

Alang

On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 17:29:49 +0000, spike1@freenet.co.uk wrote:

>Alang <invalid@invalid.co.uk> did eloquently scribble:
>> I was using agent with wine until saturday when all of a sudden I
>> could not post. Select post reply and Agent shut down. Tried PAN as an
>> alternative but at teh moment can't get the hang of how it is handling
>> threads and the filters seem non existant.
>
>Try slrn. (I still use tin, but slrn is more featurfull apparently)
>You could try mutt for mail, too. No need for agent in linux at all.
>There're dozens of e-mail and news clients to try, one of them is bound to
>work for you.

Tried Tin.
Pan is looking better

Will take a look at slrn but I was under the impression it was a
client and I needed a news server for off line working.

Johnny B Good

The message <BfC2j.36112$dN2.16253@newsfe6-gui.ntli.net>
from John Taylor <john@example.com> contains these words:

> Johnny B Good wrote:
> > The message <nqv2j.13195$Ew3.12662@newsfe7-gui.ntli.net>
> > from John Taylor <john@example.com> contains these words:
> >
> >> Mike the Brewer wrote:
> >
> >>> Also Virgin Media cable broadband specified Win XP, I
> >>> wonder if I
> >>> will have to use
> >>> different software to connect with Linux, also what web
> >>> browser and
> >>> email software are needed
> >>> ( including newsgroups ! )
> >
> >> You don't need any special software to connect with Virgin Media cable
> >> broadband.
> >
> >> They supply you with a router.
> >
> > No, they supply you with a _cable_modem_.

> No real difference from the machines point of view.
> You send it packets, and it routes them to the internet.

From that perspective, I agree, but, looking from the other side of the
world wide wait, there's one hell of a difference.

> >
> >> You just need to tell your system where it is, and thats it!.
> >
> > Not even that if the PC is set up to act as a DHCP client (the default
> > in windows boxen).

> But he's trying to install linux

I knew that, but I also knew he was doing this as a move _away_ from
windows, hence my mentioning the windows situation.

> >
> >> If you install Linux with it connected, the install will probably find
> >> it and configure it for you.
> >
> > Provided you configure the network interface to use DHCP.
> >

> Get out of bed on the wrong side today, or are you in training for a
> pedant contest ?

Correcting a falsehood is _not_ pedantry. There is an important world
of difference between a modem/router and a modem.

> If you have it plugged in when you install.
> It IS automatically detected and configured for DHCP by the system.
> You don't need to configure it for DHCP.

It rather depends on the distro, doesn't it? Networking is of major
importance to a Linux setup, so much so that the installer will provide
quite comprehensive options regarding its configuration.

Although my experience of installing Linux is pretty limited, the
question of network settings has always come up during an install.
Admittedly, these days, it's pretty well a "No Brainer" to select DHCP,
but the option to manually configure the settings is still there, so I
was making a fair point in mentioning the need to have it set up for
DHCP.

Anyhow, next time you feel the need to RSVP any other helpful comments
to your postings, a simple "Thank You" will suffice.

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Folderol

On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 20:18:37 +0000
Alang <invalid@invalid.co.uk> wrote:

> On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 16:19:48 +0000, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >Alang wrote:
> >> On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 06:25:13 +0000, Andy Cap <Andy_Cap@nosuch.co.uk>
> >> wrote:
> >> A good news reader and a way to
> >> export my mail archive from outlook is pretty much all that is
> >> stopping me going over to my linux drive at home for good.
> >
> >Exporting your outlook emails is relatively painless.
> >
> >1. Install Thunderbird in Windows
> >2. Import Outlook E-mails
> >3. Locate profile data for Thunderbird in Windows and make note of path
> >or copy to removable medium
> >4. In Linux install Thunderbird if not already installed by default
> >5. copy over Windows profile data to $HOME/.thunderbird
> >6. Run thunderbird to verify archive
> >7. (optional) import emails from thunderbird to preferred mail client.
> >
> >There are other more 'hacky' ways of doing this, but this is one method
> >I know that works.
>
> Thanks.I'll try it.
>
>
> Still need a news reader.
> Tried again with Pan and installed Tbird too.
> Tbird has problems with text size. My eyesight isn't too good. I can
> set the body text in agent to a readable size. Can't do it in Tbird
> because it sets quoted text at different sizes. Makes the message all
> but unreadable without constantly altering text size.
>
> Think I'll have to seriously work on why wine has suddenly stopped
> woking with Agent

You might like to try Claws-Mail (used to be called Sylpheed-Claws)

It's a lightweight mail/news application that is very configurable.

http://www.claws-mail.org/

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Will J G