Annie

Thanks, Fred. I'll start working on this right away.

It's snowing at my house!

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"Fred C." <fdrawremove@verizon.net> wrote in message
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> To reproduce in Design 2 (Beta):
>
> 1. I made several ellipses sequentially rolling clockwise around their
> respective centers in 20 degree intervals.
> 2. I grouped them and made them into a new stroke (repeating.)
> 3. Using the new stroke, I made a line with the polyline tool.
> 4. I copied and pasted (Control + C, Control + F) the line and converted
> it
> to a path.
>
> Problems:
> 1. Re: 3 above--The stroke at approximately the same size looks faceted.
> 2. Re: 4 above--When converted the shapes distort badly.
>
> Expected behavior:
> 1. The stroke should have the same sharp edges as the originals.
> 2. No distortion after converting to path.
>
> I tried a similar process with straight line shapes and rectangles and the
> distortion (Problems #2) did not happen; of course no facets were expected
> with straight elements.
>
> (jpg atchd). (design file atchd. in part 2 message, same subj.)
>
> Regards,
> Fred
>
>
>
>
>
>

Fred C.

Oh No!, Snow! It's Spring! :-)

Annie, try with just a circle. Make it a stroke, draw a straight line with
the stroke, then convert it to path. Original circle shows 12 points in
Layer palette as expected (4 nodes + 8 handles) Circle in converted result
shows only 6 points--2 nodes + 4 handles.
Odd! hmmm...-defining nodes are less and therefore less definition =
distortion??

FWIW- I tried just circle in E3-same steps as above. I know it might be
apples and oranges because of old 'ellipse, arc,chord'
functions, but the converted result shows a circle with many, many nodes
evenly spaced. I can get the nodes reduced to 6 (2 nodes +4 handles) with
the Smooth Path option using a value of 9. Result = it distorts much like
D2 results.

Fred

"Annie" <someone@somewhere.com> wrote in message
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> Thanks, Fred. I'll start working on this right away.
>
> It's snowing at my house!
<snipped>

Annie

Very odd indeed. My 12 point circle converts to 30 points in Vista.

I'll get back to you. I haven't turned on my XP machine yet.

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"Fred C." <fdrawremove@verizon.net> wrote in message
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> Oh No!, Snow! It's Spring! :-)
>
> Annie, try with just a circle. Make it a stroke, draw a straight line
> with the stroke, then convert it to path. Original circle shows 12 points
> in Layer palette as expected (4 nodes + 8 handles) Circle in converted
> result shows only 6 points--2 nodes + 4 handles.
> Odd! hmmm...-defining nodes are less and therefore less definition =
> distortion??
>
> FWIW- I tried just circle in E3-same steps as above. I know it might be
> apples and oranges because of old 'ellipse, arc,chord'
> functions, but the converted result shows a circle with many, many nodes
> evenly spaced. I can get the nodes reduced to 6 (2 nodes +4 handles) with
> the Smooth Path option using a value of 9. Result = it distorts much like
> D2 results.
>
> Fred
>
> "Annie" <someone@somewhere.com> wrote in message
> news:O$UTCdOkIHA.5080@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>> Thanks, Fred. I'll start working on this right away.
>>
>> It's snowing at my house!
> <snipped>
>

Annie

Ok, Fred, on XP I can reproduce your results, sort of. When I create the
stroke I get the 2 point circle(s) rather than the 30 point on Vista but
still not the 6 point circle that you get.

When you create the repeating stroke and apply it to a path, do you get two
objects for the stroke in the Layers palette? I get two objects in Vista but
only 1 in XP. I don't get distortion, though.

I'll send this off to a dev as soon as I unfreeze my computer. :-( BTW,
the snow is sticking!

Annie

"Fred C." <fdrawremove@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:eRNPDFPkIHA.1164@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> Oh No!, Snow! It's Spring! :-)
>
> Annie, try with just a circle. Make it a stroke, draw a straight line
> with the stroke, then convert it to path. Original circle shows 12 points
> in Layer palette as expected (4 nodes + 8 handles) Circle in converted
> result shows only 6 points--2 nodes + 4 handles.
> Odd! hmmm...-defining nodes are less and therefore less definition =
> distortion??
>
> FWIW- I tried just circle in E3-same steps as above. I know it might be
> apples and oranges because of old 'ellipse, arc,chord'
> functions, but the converted result shows a circle with many, many nodes
> evenly spaced. I can get the nodes reduced to 6 (2 nodes +4 handles) with
> the Smooth Path option using a value of 9. Result = it distorts much like
> D2 results.
>
> Fred
>
> "Annie" <someone@somewhere.com> wrote in message
> news:O$UTCdOkIHA.5080@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>> Thanks, Fred. I'll start working on this right away.
>>
>> It's snowing at my house!
> <snipped>
>

Fred C.

Just to be sure, the 6 point circle is composed of 2 nodes and the 2 handles
for each node (4).
:-)
P.S. Hope it's not enough to break out the shovels!

"Annie" <bogus@bogus.com> wrote in message
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> Ok, Fred, on XP I can reproduce your results, sort of. When I create the
> stroke I get the 2 point circle(s) rather than the 30 point on Vista but
> still not the 6 point circle that you get.
>
> When you create the repeating stroke and apply it to a path, do you get
> two objects for the stroke in the Layers palette? I get two objects in
> Vista but only 1 in XP. I don't get distortion, though.
>
> I'll send this off to a dev as soon as I unfreeze my computer. :-( BTW,
> the snow is sticking!
>
> Annie
>
> "Fred C." <fdrawremove@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:eRNPDFPkIHA.1164@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> Oh No!, Snow! It's Spring! :-)
>>
>> Annie, try with just a circle. Make it a stroke, draw a straight line
>> with the stroke, then convert it to path. Original circle shows 12
>> points in Layer palette as expected (4 nodes + 8 handles) Circle in
>> converted result shows only 6 points--2 nodes + 4 handles.
>> Odd! hmmm...-defining nodes are less and therefore less definition =
>> distortion??
>>
>> FWIW- I tried just circle in E3-same steps as above. I know it might be
>> apples and oranges because of old 'ellipse, arc,chord'
>> functions, but the converted result shows a circle with many, many nodes
>> evenly spaced. I can get the nodes reduced to 6 (2 nodes +4 handles)
>> with the Smooth Path option using a value of 9. Result = it distorts
>> much like D2 results.
>>
>> Fred
>>
>> "Annie" <someone@somewhere.com> wrote in message
>> news:O$UTCdOkIHA.5080@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>> Thanks, Fred. I'll start working on this right away.
>>>
>>> It's snowing at my house!
>> <snipped>
>>
>
>

Annie

No shovels - it's starting to melt now. But it did discourage me from
working in the garden today as I had originally planned!

In XP it shows on 2 points so for me it isn't even showing the handles.

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"Fred C." <fdrawremove@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:eZzN3iPkIHA.4140@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> Just to be sure, the 6 point circle is composed of 2 nodes and the 2
> handles for each node (4).
> :-)
> P.S. Hope it's not enough to break out the shovels!
>
> "Annie" <bogus@bogus.com> wrote in message
> news:%23ZCnfWPkIHA.3400@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>> Ok, Fred, on XP I can reproduce your results, sort of. When I create the
>> stroke I get the 2 point circle(s) rather than the 30 point on Vista but
>> still not the 6 point circle that you get.
>>
>> When you create the repeating stroke and apply it to a path, do you get
>> two objects for the stroke in the Layers palette? I get two objects in
>> Vista but only 1 in XP. I don't get distortion, though.
>>
>> I'll send this off to a dev as soon as I unfreeze my computer. :-( BTW,
>> the snow is sticking!
>>
>> Annie
>>
>> "Fred C." <fdrawremove@verizon.net> wrote in message
>> news:eRNPDFPkIHA.1164@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>> Oh No!, Snow! It's Spring! :-)
>>>
>>> Annie, try with just a circle. Make it a stroke, draw a straight line
>>> with the stroke, then convert it to path. Original circle shows 12
>>> points in Layer palette as expected (4 nodes + 8 handles) Circle in
>>> converted result shows only 6 points--2 nodes + 4 handles.
>>> Odd! hmmm...-defining nodes are less and therefore less definition =
>>> distortion??
>>>
>>> FWIW- I tried just circle in E3-same steps as above. I know it might be
>>> apples and oranges because of old 'ellipse, arc,chord'
>>> functions, but the converted result shows a circle with many, many nodes
>>> evenly spaced. I can get the nodes reduced to 6 (2 nodes +4 handles)
>>> with the Smooth Path option using a value of 9. Result = it distorts
>>> much like D2 results.
>>>
>>> Fred
>>>
>>> "Annie" <someone@somewhere.com> wrote in message
>>> news:O$UTCdOkIHA.5080@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>> Thanks, Fred. I'll start working on this right away.
>>>>
>>>> It's snowing at my house!
>>> <snipped>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

Fred C.

Annie,
I should have said that the Handles don't show until I use Direct Selection
(A) tool.
Fred

"Annie" <someone@somewhere.com> wrote in message
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> No shovels - it's starting to melt now. But it did discourage me from
> working in the garden today as I had originally planned!
>
> In XP it shows on 2 points so for me it isn't even showing the handles.
>
> --
> Annie
> design(at)studioe3(dot)com
> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
> rights.
>
>
>
> "Fred C." <fdrawremove@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:eZzN3iPkIHA.4140@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> Just to be sure, the 6 point circle is composed of 2 nodes and the 2
>> handles for each node (4).
>> :-)
>> P.S. Hope it's not enough to break out the shovels!
>>
>> "Annie" <bogus@bogus.com> wrote in message
>> news:%23ZCnfWPkIHA.3400@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>> Ok, Fred, on XP I can reproduce your results, sort of. When I create the
>>> stroke I get the 2 point circle(s) rather than the 30 point on Vista but
>>> still not the 6 point circle that you get.
>>>
>>> When you create the repeating stroke and apply it to a path, do you get
>>> two objects for the stroke in the Layers palette? I get two objects in
>>> Vista but only 1 in XP. I don't get distortion, though.
>>>
>>> I'll send this off to a dev as soon as I unfreeze my computer. :-(
>>> BTW, the snow is sticking!
>>>
>>> Annie
>>>
>>> "Fred C." <fdrawremove@verizon.net> wrote in message
>>> news:eRNPDFPkIHA.1164@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>> Oh No!, Snow! It's Spring! :-)
>>>>
>>>> Annie, try with just a circle. Make it a stroke, draw a straight line
>>>> with the stroke, then convert it to path. Original circle shows 12
>>>> points in Layer palette as expected (4 nodes + 8 handles) Circle in
>>>> converted result shows only 6 points--2 nodes + 4 handles.
>>>> Odd! hmmm...-defining nodes are less and therefore less definition =
>>>> distortion??
>>>>
>>>> FWIW- I tried just circle in E3-same steps as above. I know it might
>>>> be apples and oranges because of old 'ellipse, arc,chord'
>>>> functions, but the converted result shows a circle with many, many
>>>> nodes evenly spaced. I can get the nodes reduced to 6 (2 nodes +4
>>>> handles) with the Smooth Path option using a value of 9. Result = it
>>>> distorts much like D2 results.
>>>>
>>>> Fred
>>>>
>>>> "Annie" <someone@somewhere.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:O$UTCdOkIHA.5080@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>>> Thanks, Fred. I'll start working on this right away.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's snowing at my house!
>>>> <snipped>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>

Annie

They don't show in the Layers panel until you use the Direct Selection tool?

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"Fred C." <fdrawremove@verizon.net> wrote in message
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> Annie,
> I should have said that the Handles don't show until I use Direct
> Selection (A) tool.
> Fred
>
> "Annie" <someone@somewhere.com> wrote in message
> news:%23nVi%23rPkIHA.4940@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> No shovels - it's starting to melt now. But it did discourage me from
>> working in the garden today as I had originally planned!
>>
>> In XP it shows on 2 points so for me it isn't even showing the handles.
>>
>> --
>> Annie
>> design(at)studioe3(dot)com
>> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
>> rights.
>>
>>
>>
>> "Fred C." <fdrawremove@verizon.net> wrote in message
>> news:eZzN3iPkIHA.4140@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>> Just to be sure, the 6 point circle is composed of 2 nodes and the 2
>>> handles for each node (4).
>>> :-)
>>> P.S. Hope it's not enough to break out the shovels!
>>>
>>> "Annie" <bogus@bogus.com> wrote in message
>>> news:%23ZCnfWPkIHA.3400@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>> Ok, Fred, on XP I can reproduce your results, sort of. When I create
>>>> the stroke I get the 2 point circle(s) rather than the 30 point on
>>>> Vista but still not the 6 point circle that you get.
>>>>
>>>> When you create the repeating stroke and apply it to a path, do you get
>>>> two objects for the stroke in the Layers palette? I get two objects in
>>>> Vista but only 1 in XP. I don't get distortion, though.
>>>>
>>>> I'll send this off to a dev as soon as I unfreeze my computer. :-( BTW,
>>>> the snow is sticking!
>>>>
>>>> Annie
>>>>
>>>> "Fred C." <fdrawremove@verizon.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:eRNPDFPkIHA.1164@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>>> Oh No!, Snow! It's Spring! :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> Annie, try with just a circle. Make it a stroke, draw a straight line
>>>>> with the stroke, then convert it to path. Original circle shows 12
>>>>> points in Layer palette as expected (4 nodes + 8 handles) Circle in
>>>>> converted result shows only 6 points--2 nodes + 4 handles.
>>>>> Odd! hmmm...-defining nodes are less and therefore less definition =
>>>>> distortion??
>>>>>
>>>>> FWIW- I tried just circle in E3-same steps as above. I know it might
>>>>> be apples and oranges because of old 'ellipse, arc,chord'
>>>>> functions, but the converted result shows a circle with many, many
>>>>> nodes evenly spaced. I can get the nodes reduced to 6 (2 nodes +4
>>>>> handles) with the Smooth Path option using a value of 9. Result = it
>>>>> distorts much like D2 results.
>>>>>
>>>>> Fred
>>>>>
>>>>> "Annie" <someone@somewhere.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:O$UTCdOkIHA.5080@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>>>> Thanks, Fred. I'll start working on this right away.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's snowing at my house!
>>>>> <snipped>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>