Ķƹith Ŗïƨhard

This note is more by way of an FYI for some possible help for those that
have problems with EW intermittently crashing.

I am not a frequent frequenter of this newsgroup so I am not sure if "EW's
intermittent crashing" continues to be an issue for some. I do know that I
have seen references to this in past posts and I only offer discoveries and
solutions based on my own limited usage of EW.

Background:
By default, I use Microsoft Office Picture Manager for my default .jpg file
association. This, for a host of "time", "performance" and "feature" issues.
In other words, when I double click a jpg file - it opens with MS Picture
Manager!

Technique:
When manipulating, editing, replacing and generally working with image files
in EW I like to "double click" a .jpg image file in order to bring up the
entire website's folder in MS Office Picture Manager. I can then "see" and
"browse" across all the current website's images across all the website's
folders - including file sizes, picture to name association/correlation and
other useful info.. So, for example if I want to replace one image with
another in my EW website I can quickly see the new image file size and
name - in MS Office Picture Manager - and make the change quicker in EW than
deleting and replacing the original website file.

Problem:
MS Picture Manager neither "shares" nor "lets go of" files nicely. It is a
bit like a small child with their toys! So, over the last several months I
have often wondered what has been causing EW to either "crash" unexpectedly
and/or to disallow the renaming or relocation of picture files within a
website. This, I have now found out, has been entirely due to MS Office
Picture Manager and the way in which she handles or locks or "keeps tabs on"
files in the "Picture Shortcut" list or "Folder Browser Window".

If I have "browsed" pictures to change or edit or manipulate or work with in
EW - by using MS Office Picture Manager - then 2 constant, replicable and
annoying issues will occur - constantly:

1)... EW will constantly crash when changing pictures on a page. For
example, if my "Server Specials" of the week changes and I replace various
pictures of an HP-DL380G2 with an image of an HP-DL385G5 then, after a few
image name and size changes, along with attendant text edits, EW will surely
crash in the middle of a page edit every time - whether I've recently saved
the page or not!

2)... Both EW and my O/S will exhibit "inexplicable behavior" when trying to
modify, rename, move, copy or otherwise execute file operations on folders
that have recently been opened and browsed in MS Office Picture Manager.
This whether Picture Manager is still open or, recently closed!!

Bottom Line - MS Office Picture Manager somehow "locks" files which
disallows other programs to access them in free and unfettered ways. And,
just to be clear, no image editing is required! Pictue Manager just has to
"Browse" to the particular image's file folder!!

Anyways, all this time I thought the "crashing" was an EW problem. How silly
of me!

Hopefully this observation will help any others - who experience EW crash
issues - to look to any other graphics software - that is open at the same
time - as a possible cause.

Also, one final off topic observation - the existence of the FP Cleaner does
not absolve MS from including a similar utility within EW. After all, the FP
Cleaner is so often recommended that I can only assume that similar "simple
routines" are missing from FP and EW!?

HTH

--
_________________________________________
What could possibly go wrong?
Keith Rishard
http://www.cannonbeachcomputers.com
------------------------------------------

Steve Easton

Have you also set Picture Manager as the default editor for .jpg files in EW > Tools
Application options > Configure Editors?

I assume you have but just thought I'd check.


--

Steve Easton
Microsoft MVP FrontPage
FP Cleaner
http://www.95isalive.com/fixes/fpclean.htm
Hit Me FP
http://www.95isalive.com/fixes/HitMeFP.htm

"K?ith Rï?hard" <keith.richards@therollingstones.com> wrote in message
news:8002E4B0-E4E3-4798-9F78-D1E43684372F@microsoft.com...
> This note is more by way of an FYI for some possible help for those that have problems with EW
> intermittently crashing.
>
> I am not a frequent frequenter of this newsgroup so I am not sure if "EW's intermittent crashing" continues
> to be an issue for some. I do know that I have seen references to this in past posts and I only offer
> discoveries and solutions based on my own limited usage of EW.
>
> Background:
> By default, I use Microsoft Office Picture Manager for my default .jpg file association. This, for a host of
> "time", "performance" and "feature" issues. In other words, when I double click a jpg file - it opens with
> MS Picture Manager!
>
> Technique:
> When manipulating, editing, replacing and generally working with image files in EW I like to "double click"
> a .jpg image file in order to bring up the entire website's folder in MS Office Picture Manager. I can then
> "see" and "browse" across all the current website's images across all the website's folders - including file
> sizes, picture to name association/correlation and other useful info.. So, for example if I want to replace
> one image with another in my EW website I can quickly see the new image file size and name - in MS Office
> Picture Manager - and make the change quicker in EW than deleting and replacing the original website file.
>
> Problem:
> MS Picture Manager neither "shares" nor "lets go of" files nicely. It is a bit like a small child with their
> toys! So, over the last several months I have often wondered what has been causing EW to either "crash"
> unexpectedly and/or to disallow the renaming or relocation of picture files within a website. This, I have
> now found out, has been entirely due to MS Office Picture Manager and the way in which she handles or locks
> or "keeps tabs on" files in the "Picture Shortcut" list or "Folder Browser Window".
>
> If I have "browsed" pictures to change or edit or manipulate or work with in EW - by using MS Office Picture
> Manager - then 2 constant, replicable and annoying issues will occur - constantly:
>
> 1)... EW will constantly crash when changing pictures on a page. For example, if my "Server Specials" of the
> week changes and I replace various pictures of an HP-DL380G2 with an image of an HP-DL385G5 then, after a
> few image name and size changes, along with attendant text edits, EW will surely crash in the middle of a
> page edit every time - whether I've recently saved the page or not!
>
> 2)... Both EW and my O/S will exhibit "inexplicable behavior" when trying to modify, rename, move, copy or
> otherwise execute file operations on folders that have recently been opened and browsed in MS Office Picture
> Manager. This whether Picture Manager is still open or, recently closed!!
>
> Bottom Line - MS Office Picture Manager somehow "locks" files which disallows other programs to access them
> in free and unfettered ways. And, just to be clear, no image editing is required! Pictue Manager just has to
> "Browse" to the particular image's file folder!!
>
> Anyways, all this time I thought the "crashing" was an EW problem. How silly of me!
>
> Hopefully this observation will help any others - who experience EW crash issues - to look to any other
> graphics software - that is open at the same time - as a possible cause.
>
> Also, one final off topic observation - the existence of the FP Cleaner does not absolve MS from including a
> similar utility within EW. After all, the FP Cleaner is so often recommended that I can only assume that
> similar "simple routines" are missing from FP and EW!?
>
> HTH
>
> --
> _________________________________________
> What could possibly go wrong?
> Keith Rishard
> http://www.cannonbeachcomputers.com
> ------------------------------------------
>

Ķƹith Ŗïƨhard

Steve, I had not set PM as my default jpg editor in EW. EW was still
defaulting to Paint for gifs pngs and jpgs.

Do you think this will now make a difference to my particular "File
Browsing" issues 'twixt Picture Manager and EW and allow the two to share
files in amicable fashion?

I will try this and report back....

Thanks for asking and again, pointing the way!


--
_________________________________________
What could possibly go wrong?
Keith Rishard
http://www.cannonbeachcomputers.com
------------------------------------------

"Steve Easton" <admin@95isalive.com> wrote in message
news:%23pqN98K1IHA.2084@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> Have you also set Picture Manager as the default editor for .jpg files in
> EW > Tools
> Application options > Configure Editors?
>
> I assume you have but just thought I'd check.
>
>
> --
>
> Steve Easton
> Microsoft MVP FrontPage
> FP Cleaner
> http://www.95isalive.com/fixes/fpclean.htm
> Hit Me FP
> http://www.95isalive.com/fixes/HitMeFP.htm
>
> "K?ith Rï?hard" <keith.richards@therollingstones.com> wrote in message
> news:8002E4B0-E4E3-4798-9F78-D1E43684372F@microsoft.com...
>> This note is more by way of an FYI for some possible help for those that
>> have problems with EW intermittently crashing.
>>
>> I am not a frequent frequenter of this newsgroup so I am not sure if
>> "EW's intermittent crashing" continues to be an issue for some. I do know
>> that I have seen references to this in past posts and I only offer
>> discoveries and solutions based on my own limited usage of EW.
>>
>> Background:
>> By default, I use Microsoft Office Picture Manager for my default .jpg
>> file association. This, for a host of "time", "performance" and "feature"
>> issues. In other words, when I double click a jpg file - it opens with MS
>> Picture Manager!
>>
>> Technique:
>> When manipulating, editing, replacing and generally working with image
>> files in EW I like to "double click" a .jpg image file in order to bring
>> up the entire website's folder in MS Office Picture Manager. I can then
>> "see" and "browse" across all the current website's images across all the
>> website's folders - including file sizes, picture to name
>> association/correlation and other useful info.. So, for example if I want
>> to replace one image with another in my EW website I can quickly see the
>> new image file size and name - in MS Office Picture Manager - and make
>> the change quicker in EW than deleting and replacing the original website
>> file.
>>
>> Problem:
>> MS Picture Manager neither "shares" nor "lets go of" files nicely. It is
>> a bit like a small child with their toys! So, over the last several
>> months I have often wondered what has been causing EW to either "crash"
>> unexpectedly and/or to disallow the renaming or relocation of picture
>> files within a website. This, I have now found out, has been entirely due
>> to MS Office Picture Manager and the way in which she handles or locks or
>> "keeps tabs on" files in the "Picture Shortcut" list or "Folder Browser
>> Window".
>>
>> If I have "browsed" pictures to change or edit or manipulate or work with
>> in EW - by using MS Office Picture Manager - then 2 constant, replicable
>> and annoying issues will occur - constantly:
>>
>> 1)... EW will constantly crash when changing pictures on a page. For
>> example, if my "Server Specials" of the week changes and I replace
>> various pictures of an HP-DL380G2 with an image of an HP-DL385G5 then,
>> after a few image name and size changes, along with attendant text edits,
>> EW will surely crash in the middle of a page edit every time - whether
>> I've recently saved the page or not!
>>
>> 2)... Both EW and my O/S will exhibit "inexplicable behavior" when trying
>> to modify, rename, move, copy or otherwise execute file operations on
>> folders that have recently been opened and browsed in MS Office Picture
>> Manager. This whether Picture Manager is still open or, recently closed!!
>>
>> Bottom Line - MS Office Picture Manager somehow "locks" files which
>> disallows other programs to access them in free and unfettered ways. And,
>> just to be clear, no image editing is required! Pictue Manager just has
>> to "Browse" to the particular image's file folder!!
>>
>> Anyways, all this time I thought the "crashing" was an EW problem. How
>> silly of me!
>>
>> Hopefully this observation will help any others - who experience EW crash
>> issues - to look to any other graphics software - that is open at the
>> same time - as a possible cause.
>>
>> Also, one final off topic observation - the existence of the FP Cleaner
>> does not absolve MS from including a similar utility within EW. After
>> all, the FP Cleaner is so often recommended that I can only assume that
>> similar "simple routines" are missing from FP and EW!?
>>
>> HTH
>>
>> --
>> _________________________________________
>> What could possibly go wrong?
>> Keith Rishard
>> http://www.cannonbeachcomputers.com
>> ------------------------------------------
>>
>
>

Steve Easton

I do believe it will make a difference.

--

Steve Easton
Microsoft MVP FrontPage
FP Cleaner
http://www.95isalive.com/fixes/fpclean.htm
Hit Me FP
http://www.95isalive.com/fixes/HitMeFP.htm


"K?ith Rï?hard" <keith.richards@therollingstones.com> wrote in message
newsE7815EA-333B-4845-ACED-CEB0E767845B@microsoft.com...
> Steve, I had not set PM as my default jpg editor in EW. EW was still defaulting to Paint for gifs pngs and
> jpgs.
>
> Do you think this will now make a difference to my particular "File Browsing" issues 'twixt Picture Manager
> and EW and allow the two to share files in amicable fashion?
>
> I will try this and report back....
>
> Thanks for asking and again, pointing the way!
>
>
> --
> _________________________________________
> What could possibly go wrong?
> Keith Rishard
> http://www.cannonbeachcomputers.com
> ------------------------------------------
>
> "Steve Easton" <admin@95isalive.com> wrote in message news:%23pqN98K1IHA.2084@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>> Have you also set Picture Manager as the default editor for .jpg files in EW > Tools
>> Application options > Configure Editors?
>>
>> I assume you have but just thought I'd check.
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Steve Easton
>> Microsoft MVP FrontPage
>> FP Cleaner
>> http://www.95isalive.com/fixes/fpclean.htm
>> Hit Me FP
>> http://www.95isalive.com/fixes/HitMeFP.htm
>>
>> "K?ith Rï?hard" <keith.richards@therollingstones.com> wrote in message
>> news:8002E4B0-E4E3-4798-9F78-D1E43684372F@microsoft.com...
>>> This note is more by way of an FYI for some possible help for those that have problems with EW
>>> intermittently crashing.
>>>
>>> I am not a frequent frequenter of this newsgroup so I am not sure if "EW's intermittent crashing"
>>> continues to be an issue for some. I do know that I have seen references to this in past posts and I only
>>> offer discoveries and solutions based on my own limited usage of EW.
>>>
>>> Background:
>>> By default, I use Microsoft Office Picture Manager for my default .jpg file association. This, for a host
>>> of "time", "performance" and "feature" issues. In other words, when I double click a jpg file - it opens
>>> with MS Picture Manager!
>>>
>>> Technique:
>>> When manipulating, editing, replacing and generally working with image files in EW I like to "double
>>> click" a .jpg image file in order to bring up the entire website's folder in MS Office Picture Manager. I
>>> can then "see" and "browse" across all the current website's images across all the website's folders -
>>> including file sizes, picture to name association/correlation and other useful info.. So, for example if I
>>> want to replace one image with another in my EW website I can quickly see the new image file size and
>>> name - in MS Office Picture Manager - and make the change quicker in EW than deleting and replacing the
>>> original website file.
>>>
>>> Problem:
>>> MS Picture Manager neither "shares" nor "lets go of" files nicely. It is a bit like a small child with
>>> their toys! So, over the last several months I have often wondered what has been causing EW to either
>>> "crash" unexpectedly and/or to disallow the renaming or relocation of picture files within a website.
>>> This, I have now found out, has been entirely due to MS Office Picture Manager and the way in which she
>>> handles or locks or "keeps tabs on" files in the "Picture Shortcut" list or "Folder Browser Window".
>>>
>>> If I have "browsed" pictures to change or edit or manipulate or work with in EW - by using MS Office
>>> Picture Manager - then 2 constant, replicable and annoying issues will occur - constantly:
>>>
>>> 1)... EW will constantly crash when changing pictures on a page. For example, if my "Server Specials" of
>>> the week changes and I replace various pictures of an HP-DL380G2 with an image of an HP-DL385G5 then,
>>> after a few image name and size changes, along with attendant text edits, EW will surely crash in the
>>> middle of a page edit every time - whether I've recently saved the page or not!
>>>
>>> 2)... Both EW and my O/S will exhibit "inexplicable behavior" when trying to modify, rename, move, copy or
>>> otherwise execute file operations on folders that have recently been opened and browsed in MS Office
>>> Picture Manager. This whether Picture Manager is still open or, recently closed!!
>>>
>>> Bottom Line - MS Office Picture Manager somehow "locks" files which disallows other programs to access
>>> them in free and unfettered ways. And, just to be clear, no image editing is required! Pictue Manager just
>>> has to "Browse" to the particular image's file folder!!
>>>
>>> Anyways, all this time I thought the "crashing" was an EW problem. How silly of me!
>>>
>>> Hopefully this observation will help any others - who experience EW crash issues - to look to any other
>>> graphics software - that is open at the same time - as a possible cause.
>>>
>>> Also, one final off topic observation - the existence of the FP Cleaner does not absolve MS from including
>>> a similar utility within EW. After all, the FP Cleaner is so often recommended that I can only assume that
>>> similar "simple routines" are missing from FP and EW!?
>>>
>>> HTH
>>>
>>> --
>>> _________________________________________
>>> What could possibly go wrong?
>>> Keith Rishard
>>> http://www.cannonbeachcomputers.com
>>> ------------------------------------------
>>>
>>
>>
>