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Unread 18-06-2008, 05:28 AM   #1
Michael Elsdörfer
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Getting rid of the cmd host

Over time, I've seen a number of people complain about the default
powershell host.

Is anyone aware of a better third party host that supports horizontal
resizing, possibly better tab expansion and is not Powershell+ (I'd like
something simple, non-IDE like)?

On a side note, I am puzzled why the tab-completion does not add a
backlash at the end of directories, after all this time. It seems like a
non-brainer. Is there some secret option I am missing?

Michael
 
Unread 18-06-2008, 05:28 AM   #2
Karl Prosser[MVP]
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Re: Getting rid of the cmd host

PowerShell Plus has all that functionality - I don't know of anything
else in the history of windows that has extended the console subsystem.
If PowerShell Plus as it is seems too heavy, would there be a large
demand for a bareboned "PowerShell Plus lite" that doesn't have all the
IDe functionality but just strong powershell console features, and
console subsystem enhancements?

As for tab completion, the logic is customizable.

Karl / ShellTools?

Michael Elsdörfer wrote:
> Over time, I've seen a number of people complain about the default
> powershell host.
>
> Is anyone aware of a better third party host that supports horizontal
> resizing, possibly better tab expansion and is not Powershell+ (I'd like
> something simple, non-IDE like)?
>
> On a side note, I am puzzled why the tab-completion does not add a
> backlash at the end of directories, after all this time. It seems like a
> non-brainer. Is there some secret option I am missing?
>
> Michael

 
Unread 18-06-2008, 12:22 PM   #3
Michael Elsdörfer
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Re: Getting rid of the cmd host

> If PowerShell Plus as it is seems too heavy, would there be a large
> demand for a bareboned "PowerShell Plus lite" that doesn't have all
> the IDe functionality but just strong powershell console features, and
> console subsystem enhancements?


I have no idea how large the demand would be, but myself I basically
just want a simple shell window that starts up fast, can resize
horizontally and has unix-like tab completion.

If it wants to have a menu bar and support for multiple tabs, that's
fine - it's not that I absolutely insist on a totally barebone feature
set. Basically, the default powershell host is more or less what I'd
want, expect the deficiencies mentioned.

> PowerShell Plus has all that functionality


BTW, from what I've seen, while Powershell Plus has a horizontally
resizable window, it's *contents* do not wrap, which for me is the main
reason for realizability - or am I mistaken?

> As for tab completion, the logic is customizable.


That would be awesome. Can you provide more info? Just to be clear, I am
referring to manually having to enter a backslash for separating
directories (which German keyboard layouts have on AltGr, btw, making it
even worse). What I want to be able to do is:

> my-command -path subf<TAB>
> my-command -path subfolder\b<TAB>
> my-command -path subfolder\bin\out<TAB>
> my-command -path subfolder\bin\output.exe


That's just subf<TAB>b<TAB>out<TAB> for me.

Michael

Karl Prosser[MVP] schrieb:
> PowerShell Plus has all that functionality - I don't know of anything
> else in the history of windows that has extended the console subsystem.
> If PowerShell Plus as it is seems too heavy, would there be a large
> demand for a bareboned "PowerShell Plus lite" that doesn't have all the
> IDe functionality but just strong powershell console features, and
> console subsystem enhancements?
>
> As for tab completion, the logic is customizable.
>
> Karl / ShellTools?
>
> Michael Elsdörfer wrote:
>> Over time, I've seen a number of people complain about the default
>> powershell host.
>>
>> Is anyone aware of a better third party host that supports horizontal
>> resizing, possibly better tab expansion and is not Powershell+ (I'd
>> like something simple, non-IDE like)?
>>
>> On a side note, I am puzzled why the tab-completion does not add a
>> backlash at the end of directories, after all this time. It seems like
>> a non-brainer. Is there some secret option I am missing?
>>
>> Michael

 
Unread 18-06-2008, 05:24 PM   #4
Karl Prosser[MVP]
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Re: Getting rid of the cmd host

>
> BTW, from what I've seen, while Powershell Plus has a horizontally
> resizable window, it's *contents* do not wrap, which for me is the main
> reason for realizability - or am I mistaken?


with PS+, when you resize bigger we automatically increase the
screenbuffer size to match. But when you reduce the size, we don't
automatically decrease it, because you might want the info in the
screenbuffer. However there is a button, menuitem and hotkey, that will
resize the screenbuffer to the current size of the PS+ window.

>
> > As for tab completion, the logic is customizable.

>



check out tabexpansion function in powershell. it has the logic. you can
modify that tabcompletion logic all you want. in PS+ we use Mow's
Powertab (http://www.thepowershellguy.com) as the default logic, though
we do adapt it for friendly GUI intellisense.
 
Unread 26-06-2008, 09:52 AM   #5
/\/\o\/\/ [MVP]
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Re: Getting rid of the cmd host

Michael,

Adding a slash would easy be possible in PS+ but not in PowerShell as
tabcompletion does not get invoked as you do not change at least one
character.

that's why I could not solve in in Powertab (the tabcompletion also included
with PS+ )

what I di have is autoexpand on a slash, so the extra TAB's ar not needed,
this works for me.

this would be something like :

subf[tab] \b\out

Enjoy,
Greetings /\/\o\/\/
http://thePowerShellGuy.com


"Michael Elsdörfer" wrote:

> > If PowerShell Plus as it is seems too heavy, would there be a large
> > demand for a bareboned "PowerShell Plus lite" that doesn't have all
> > the IDe functionality but just strong powershell console features, and
> > console subsystem enhancements?

>
> I have no idea how large the demand would be, but myself I basically
> just want a simple shell window that starts up fast, can resize
> horizontally and has unix-like tab completion.
>
> If it wants to have a menu bar and support for multiple tabs, that's
> fine - it's not that I absolutely insist on a totally barebone feature
> set. Basically, the default powershell host is more or less what I'd
> want, expect the deficiencies mentioned.
>
> > PowerShell Plus has all that functionality

>
> BTW, from what I've seen, while Powershell Plus has a horizontally
> resizable window, it's *contents* do not wrap, which for me is the main
> reason for realizability - or am I mistaken?
>
> > As for tab completion, the logic is customizable.

>
> That would be awesome. Can you provide more info? Just to be clear, I am
> referring to manually having to enter a backslash for separating
> directories (which German keyboard layouts have on AltGr, btw, making it
> even worse). What I want to be able to do is:
>
> > my-command -path subf<TAB>
> > my-command -path subfolder\b<TAB>
> > my-command -path subfolder\bin\out<TAB>
> > my-command -path subfolder\bin\output.exe

>
> That's just subf<TAB>b<TAB>out<TAB> for me.
>
> Michael
>
> Karl Prosser[MVP] schrieb:
> > PowerShell Plus has all that functionality - I don't know of anything
> > else in the history of windows that has extended the console subsystem.
> > If PowerShell Plus as it is seems too heavy, would there be a large
> > demand for a bareboned "PowerShell Plus lite" that doesn't have all the
> > IDe functionality but just strong powershell console features, and
> > console subsystem enhancements?
> >
> > As for tab completion, the logic is customizable.
> >
> > Karl / ShellTools?
> >
> > Michael Elsdörfer wrote:
> >> Over time, I've seen a number of people complain about the default
> >> powershell host.
> >>
> >> Is anyone aware of a better third party host that supports horizontal
> >> resizing, possibly better tab expansion and is not Powershell+ (I'd
> >> like something simple, non-IDE like)?
> >>
> >> On a side note, I am puzzled why the tab-completion does not add a
> >> backlash at the end of directories, after all this time. It seems like
> >> a non-brainer. Is there some secret option I am missing?
> >>
> >> Michael

>

 
 

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