Jochem Huhmann

Omiwahn <omiwahn@gmx.de> writes:

> I just saw that T-Mobile in Germany now must sell the iphone without a
> lock too (ists qute expensive but it costs 999 Euros), Vodafon seems to
> have found a gap in the law and so they archived it for the time beeing
> (until a final court deission is made) that T-Mobile must also sell the
> iPhone without a contract unfortunately I only could find sources in
> German
> (www.heise.de)

The best thing is that you can walk into any T-Mobile shop tommorow and
require your (german) iPhone to be unlocked to be used with any SIM card
and they will just do it, for free. You will still have to pay your
T-Mobile plan (since there is no way to buy an iPhone without a plan in
Germany), but at least you can put in any SIM card when abroad and phone
cheaply instead of paying insane roaming charges then.


Jochem

--
"A designer knows he has arrived at perfection not when there is no
longer anything to add, but when there is no longer anything to take away."
- Antoine de Saint-Exupery

Omiwahn

Jochem Huhmann wrote:
> Omiwahn <omiwahn@gmx.de> writes:
>
>> I just saw that T-Mobile in Germany now must sell the iphone without a
>> lock too (ists qute expensive but it costs 999 Euros), Vodafon seems to
>> have found a gap in the law and so they archived it for the time beeing
>> (until a final court deission is made) that T-Mobile must also sell the
>> iPhone without a contract unfortunately I only could find sources in
>> German
>> (www.heise.de)
>
> The best thing is that you can walk into any T-Mobile shop tommorow and
> require your (german) iPhone to be unlocked to be used with any SIM card
> and they will just do it, for free. You will still have to pay your
> T-Mobile plan (since there is no way to buy an iPhone without a plan in
> Germany), but at least you can put in any SIM card when abroad and phone
> cheaply instead of paying insane roaming charges then.
>
>
> Jochem
>
as far as I am aware when the phone is bought for 999 Euros no contract
is required, but u also could get a T-Moile contract get the phone for
3xx Euros and then u could unlock it for free from T Mobile, dpends ;-)

(c) The OS/2 Guy (c)

On Nov 22, 3:22 pm, Omiwahn <omiw...@gmx.de> wrote:
> Jochem Huhmann wrote:
> > Omiwahn <omiw...@gmx.de> writes:
>
> >> I just saw that T-Mobile in Germany now must sell the iphone without a
> >> lock too (ists qute expensive but it costs 999 Euros), Vodafon seems to
> >> have found a gap in the law and so they archived it for the time beeing
> >> (until a final court deission is made) that T-Mobile must also sell the
> >> iPhone without a contract unfortunately I only could find sources in
> >> German
> >> (www.heise.de)
>
> > The best thing is that you can walk into any T-Mobile shop tommorow and
> > require your (german) iPhone to be unlocked to be used with any SIM card
> > and they will just do it, for free. You will still have to pay your
> > T-Mobile plan (since there is no way to buy an iPhone without a plan in
> > Germany), but at least you can put in any SIM card when abroad and phone
> > cheaply instead of paying insane roaming charges then.
>
> > Jochem
>
> as far as I am aware when the phone is bought for 999 Euros no contract
> is required, but u also could get a T-Moile contract get the phone for
> 3xx Euros and then u could unlock it for free from T Mobile, dpends ;-)

Yes, that's true. You can then unlock it for free but you're going to
have to continue paying on that T-Mobile for the length of the
contract or buy yourself out of the contract with T-Mobile.

The one thing that is rarely mentioned by those who push the unlock
route are the features you lose when you walk away or refuse to
contract with the authorized cell service. Taken individually the
loss doesn't seem too bad but taken as a whole you then find yourself
in the situation of being a second-class iPhone owner. You lose
selective voicemail. So who cares? Well, think about it for a
moment. If you are the kind of person who gets a lot of voicemail
either from friends, family or telemarketers, you're going to have to
wade through each and every voicemail to get to the one voicemail you
want to listen to.

Next we have the loss of SMStexting. Ok,so you don't text and who
cares because you can rely on the browser function to get you to an
online texting service.

Now we're getting into the nitty gritty - because moving to another
cell phone provider is going to cost you in dropped calls, poor cell
service and poor data service. When Apple agrees to work with a
particular cell phone company they install their own special OSX
server software and it is that software that handles a lot of the
iPhone features like selective voicemail, smstexting, YouTube access,
WiFi enhancement, optimized battery features, easy iTunes access for
new and often free music offers. All of that is gone but hey - you've
got an unlocked phone! YaaaaHOO! You showed 'em, huh?

And now for the biggest loss you and your unlocked iPhone are going to
incur. I've been an Apple/Mac user for quite some time and I know how
Apple works when it comes to improving and adding new free features to
their products. Come February there will be a spate of new authorized
iPhone applications - video and voice recording, hands free stereo
BlueTooth ear buds for listening to music, videos and phone calls,
voice dialing, games, and so much more. But those with unlocked
phones won't be privvy to the new features because they won't be able
to log on to the iPhone's authorized cell phone provider through
iTunes for OS X updates and new firmware. Who cares? Right? You can
live with sitting at v1.1.2 because you're going to have all those
free and unauthorized iPhone applications promised to you by the
hackers of this world. Ohhh wait tho' - you are also going to face
those errant 12-year old hackers who want to bring your cell phone
down with poorly written apps and you're also going to have to pony up
for more money if you want those "special" third party unauthorized
apps that will surely be sold by the more sophisticated hackers. But
hey, you got money to burn right?

And when you walk your unlocked iPhone over to Verizon or Sprint or
whatever cell phone provider is in your native country you won't
scream one bit when they force you to pay double for data service
(internet access) that is limited to just a few paltry hours a month,
will you?

Yeah, the unlocked iPhone is the way to go. You get to pay $1,500
(US) for it right up front and the rest of the financial ride those
third party hackers will require you to pay for.

In August I responded to a post here when someone was trumpeting the
thought of an unlocked iPhone in France. I said then it would cost as
much as five times the current iPhone price or about $2,000. Boy was
I attacked! I revised my prediction down to $1500 and you know what?
That price is here today. 999 Euros equates out to 1500 US dollars
(or thereabouts).

I use my iPhone everyday and live in a heavily iPhone saturated
metropolitan city. I have yet to run into one other iPhone user using
a hacked iPhone. Where are these guys hiding???

Dr. Tim Martin, The OS/2 Guy
Visit The OS/2 Guy Blog Today
http://www.os2guy.com

chris.holland07@gmail.com

On Nov 23, 1:29 am, "(c) The OS/2 Guy (c)" <os2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Nov 22, 3:22 pm, Omiwahn <omiw...@gmx.de> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Jochem Huhmann wrote:
> > > Omiwahn <omiw...@gmx.de> writes:
>
> > >> I just saw that T-Mobile in Germany now must sell the iphone without a
> > >> lock too (ists qute expensive but it costs 999 Euros), Vodafon seems to
> > >> have found a gap in the law and so they archived it for the time beeing
> > >> (until a final court deission is made) that T-Mobile must also sell the
> > >> iPhone without a contract unfortunately I only could find sources in
> > >> German
> > >> (www.heise.de)
>
> > > The best thing is that you can walk into any T-Mobile shop tommorow and
> > > require your (german) iPhone to be unlocked to be used with any SIM card
> > > and they will just do it, for free. You will still have to pay your
> > > T-Mobile plan (since there is no way to buy an iPhone without a plan in
> > > Germany), but at least you can put in any SIM card when abroad and phone
> > > cheaply instead of paying insane roaming charges then.
>
> > > Jochem
>
> > as far as I am aware when the phone is bought for 999 Euros no contract
> > is required, but u also could get a T-Moile contract get the phone for
> > 3xx Euros and then u could unlock it for free from T Mobile, dpends ;-)
>
> Yes, that's true. You can then unlock it for free but you're going to
> have to continue paying on that T-Mobile for the length of the
> contract or buy yourself out of the contract with T-Mobile.
>
> The one thing that is rarely mentioned by those who push the unlock
> route are the features you lose when you walk away or refuse to
> contract with the authorized cell service. Taken individually the
> loss doesn't seem too bad but taken as a whole you then find yourself
> in the situation of being a second-class iPhone owner. You lose
> selective voicemail. So who cares? Well, think about it for a
> moment. If you are the kind of person who gets a lot of voicemail
> either from friends, family or telemarketers, you're going to have to
> wade through each and every voicemail to get to the one voicemail you
> want to listen to.
>
> Next we have the loss of SMStexting. Ok,so you don't text and who
> cares because you can rely on the browser function to get you to an
> online texting service.
>
> Now we're getting into the nitty gritty - because moving to another
> cell phone provider is going to cost you in dropped calls, poor cell
> service and poor data service. When Apple agrees to work with a
> particular cell phone company they install their own special OSX
> server software and it is that software that handles a lot of the
> iPhone features like selective voicemail, smstexting, YouTube access,
> WiFi enhancement, optimized battery features, easy iTunes access for
> new and often free music offers. All of that is gone but hey - you've
> got an unlocked phone! YaaaaHOO! You showed 'em, huh?
>
> And now for the biggest loss you and your unlocked iPhone are going to
> incur. I've been an Apple/Mac user for quite some time and I know how
> Apple works when it comes to improving and adding new free features to
> their products. Come February there will be a spate of new authorized
> iPhone applications - video and voice recording, hands free stereo
> BlueTooth ear buds for listening to music, videos and phone calls,
> voice dialing, games, and so much more. But those with unlocked
> phones won't be privvy to the new features because they won't be able
> to log on to the iPhone's authorized cell phone provider through
> iTunes for OS X updates and new firmware. Who cares? Right? You can
> live with sitting at v1.1.2 because you're going to have all those
> free and unauthorized iPhone applications promised to you by the
> hackers of this world. Ohhh wait tho' - you are also going to face
> those errant 12-year old hackers who want to bring your cell phone
> down with poorly written apps and you're also going to have to pony up
> for more money if you want those "special" third party unauthorized
> apps that will surely be sold by the more sophisticated hackers. But
> hey, you got money to burn right?
>
> And when you walk your unlocked iPhone over to Verizon or Sprint or
> whatever cell phone provider is in your native country you won't
> scream one bit when they force you to pay double for data service
> (internet access) that is limited to just a few paltry hours a month,
> will you?
>
> Yeah, the unlocked iPhone is the way to go. You get to pay $1,500
> (US) for it right up front and the rest of the financial ride those
> third party hackers will require you to pay for.
>
> In August I responded to a post here when someone was trumpeting the
> thought of an unlocked iPhone in France. I said then it would cost as
> much as five times the current iPhone price or about $2,000. Boy was
> I attacked! I revised my prediction down to $1500 and you know what?
> That price is here today. 999 Euros equates out to 1500 US dollars
> (or thereabouts).
>
> I use my iPhone everyday and live in a heavily iPhone saturated
> metropolitan city. I have yet to run into one other iPhone user using
> a hacked iPhone. Where are these guys hiding???
>
> Dr. Tim Martin, The OS/2 Guy
> Visit The OS/2 Guy Blog Todayhttp://www.os2guy.com

You sound like a fucking faggot.

No-one gives a flying fuck about visual voicemail

the dog from that film you saw

<chris.holland07@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:ef396110-96c3-4e61-a9d7-8743bb5b6c12@w40g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
> On Nov 23, 1:29 am, "(c) The OS/2 Guy (c)" <os2...@gmail.com> wrote:


> You sound like a fucking faggot.
>
> No-one gives a flying fuck about visual voicemail




i think the main problem is that the type of person who obsesses over macs
and their new iphone probably won't get many phone calls from people to
begin with.



--
Gareth.

That fly... is your magic wand.
http://www.last.fm/user/dsbmusic/

Ian Robinson

On Fri, 23 Nov 2007 01:29:37 +0000, c) The OS/2 Guy (c) wrote
(in article
<dce94fc9-4b34-4bf3-844b-2ed2c29dbc92@d27g2000prf.googlegroups.com>):

> Next we have the loss of SMStexting. Ok,so you don't text and who
> cares because you can rely on the browser function to get you to an
> online texting service.

Why would you lose SMS messaging on an unlocked iPhone?

Ian
--
Ian Robinson, Belfast, UK
<http://www.canicula.com/wp/>

(c) The OS/2 Guy (c)

On Nov 23, 12:06 am, Ian Robinson <j...@canicula.invalid> wrote:
> On Fri, 23 Nov 2007 01:29:37 +0000, c) The OS/2 Guy (c) wrote
> (in article
> <dce94fc9-4b34-4bf3-844b-2ed2c29db...@d27g2000prf.googlegroups.com>):
>
> > Next we have the loss of SMStexting. Ok,so you don't text and who
> > cares because you can rely on the browser function to get you to an
> > online texting service.
>
> Why would you lose SMS messaging on an unlocked iPhone?
>
> Ian
> --
> Ian Robinson, Belfast, UK
> <http://www.canicula.com/wp/>

You don't lose SMS messaging but you might as well. It is entirely
dependent upon your unauthorized service provider's data service. The
Apple/Service Provider deal includes the provision of OS X server-side
implementations as well as required Edge enhancements by the Service
Provider. What you end up with on an unlocked iPhone is a hit or miss
feature that is harder to implement. What the hackers will suggest is
to avoid the iPhone's SMS messaging feature and use the many free
online text messaging services. Again, these too entirely dependent
on the quality of the unauthorized service provider's data service.
And those unauthorized SP's know this by either raising the cost of
their data plans or lowering the number of text messages that can be
sent or offering it as unlimited on a system that is so hampered or
unreliable that it requires more work on the part of the customer to
get that message through to their intended target.

In short, those who refuse to contract with the authorized provider
end up paying more money and losing features in the long run then they
would have had they simply agreed to the initial contract.

In the short run the unlocked iPhone seems appealing. In the long run
it results in higher fees for less service and features. Of course,
if you've never known good service and had access to all the iPhone's
fine features then you don't know or understand what it is you are
missing. You just know that the [hacked] iPhone you own doesn't seem
worth it.

Which is why Apple suggests the purchase of an iTouch if you want the
iPod and Video features and can live with a second flip phone for your
phone/messaging needs.

Dr. Tim Martin, The OS/2 Guy
Visit The OS/2 Guy Blog Today
http://www.os2guy.com

ChrisM

In message
738d725d-16a4-40ed-a640-ed8a2c78f055...oglegroups.com,
(c) The OS/2 Guy (c) <os2guy@gmail.com> Proclaimed from the tallest tower:

> On Nov 23, 12:06 am, Ian Robinson <j...@canicula.invalid> wrote:
>> On Fri, 23 Nov 2007 01:29:37 +0000, c) The OS/2 Guy (c) wrote
>> (in article
>> <dce94fc9-4b34-4bf3-844b-2ed2c29db...@d27g2000prf.googlegroups.com>):
>>
>>> Next we have the loss of SMStexting. Ok,so you don't text and who
>>> cares because you can rely on the browser function to get you to an
>>> online texting service.
>>
>> Why would you lose SMS messaging on an unlocked iPhone?
>>
>> Ian
>> --
>> Ian Robinson, Belfast, UK
>> <http://www.canicula.com/wp/>
>
> You don't lose SMS messaging but you might as well. It is entirely
> dependent upon your unauthorized service provider's data service. The
> Apple/Service Provider deal includes the provision of OS X server-side
> implementations as well as required Edge enhancements by the Service
> Provider. What you end up with on an unlocked iPhone is a hit or miss
> feature that is harder to implement. What the hackers will suggest is
> to avoid the iPhone's SMS messaging feature and use the many free
> online text messaging services. Again, these too entirely dependent
> on the quality of the unauthorized service provider's data service.
> And those unauthorized SP's know this by either raising the cost of
> their data plans or lowering the number of text messages that can be
> sent or offering it as unlimited on a system that is so hampered or
> unreliable that it requires more work on the part of the customer to
> get that message through to their intended target.
>

Are you talking about SMS? (aka Text Messaging)??
As far as I know, all UK networks are pretty good at delivering text
messages.
What has sending SMS messages got to do with data services or plans?
Not sure that I understand your point on this...? Does SMS work differently
on the iPhone to all other mobiles out there?

--
Regards,
Chris.
(Remove Elvis's shoes to email me)

Dave Devine

Woody <usenet@alienrat.co.uk> wrote:

> What is a 'flip phone' - I have a capable phone, but it has no flipping?

A flip phone is a phone that folds, like a Moto Razr. I don't think Ian
meant to suggest that a flip phone is mandatory, just a SMALL phone,
since you would be carrying it in addition to an iPod Touch.

Dave
--
There's a fine line between stupid and clever.

Woody

On Fri, 23 Nov 2007 16:27:15 +0100, Dave Devine wrote:

> Woody <usenet@alienrat.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> What is a 'flip phone' - I have a capable phone, but it has no flipping?
>
> A flip phone is a phone that folds, like a Moto Razr. I don't think Ian
> meant to suggest that a flip phone is mandatory, just a SMALL phone,
> since you would be carrying it in addition to an iPod Touch.

Ahh, ok. Just a terminology thing. I guess the size depends on your
pockets!
But yes, I have to carry the iPod touch and the phone but I don't see that
changing as I use more talktime than the iPhone contract provides (even if
I was prepared to pay that much for 600 minutes!).

--
Woody