Re: Mobile Phones Usage During Driving - Some Facts

Martin²

>> ... However, studies have found out that the distraction is caused by
>> the conversation itself; hence, both hand-held and hands-free cell
>> phones contribute towards road traffic accidents...
>> http://personaltechinfo.googlepages....ut_cell_phones
>
"George Weston"
> Ergo, conversations of any kind while driving are potentially dangerous.
>
Not quite right.
The problem is the GSM compression algorithm (codec), which is deliberately
designed to lose some data in order to maximise cell capacity. This was
demonstrated on Tomorrow's World back when GSM system was launched.
Your brain then has to 'guess' at what the word was, therefore you need to
concentrate more to hold conversation on mobile phone. Again this has been
demonstrated with people on driving simulators shoving delayed reaction.
Note that the GSM codec can also be used in VoIP, it is the highest
available compression and the only one usable on dial-up line.

The other problem is that passenger(s) is (are) aware when you busy driving
(on a junction, etc) and will naturally pause the conversation, while person
on the other end of a mobile phone will start saying "Hello, hello, are you
still there..." thus distracting you further.
Regards,
Martin

Kraftee

Martin² wrote:

>
> The other problem is that passenger(s) is (are) aware when you busy
> driving (on a junction, etc) and will naturally pause the
> conversation,

You've never driven with my partner, once they start babbling, nothing
stops them.


while person on the other end of a mobile phone will
> start saying "Hello, hello, are you still there..." thus
> distracting you further.

That's why you ask them to hang on & then ignore them until it's safe
to talk (via your handsfree kit of course)

Dave Higton

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"Ivor Jones" <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:

> "Simon" <simon@notisp.com> wrote in message
> news:13kiid5l8b9qraf@corp.supernews.com
>
> [snip]
>
> : : Because an act of parliment said it is so. you are
> : : confusing common sense with law. as you cant legislate
> : : for common sense, we have to have specific definitions
> : : in the law. a decision has ben made that sets the speed
> : : limit for that particular stretch of road that has
> : : defined the speed limit. if you travel faster than that
> : : speed then you have broken the law.
>
> That still doesn't explain why it's illegal if it isn't dangerous. Still
> waiting for an answer on that one.

Danger isn't the only reason to make something illegal. For
example, it's illegal to make noise at night that would be
legal during daytime. The reason is consideration for others.

Dave

Chris

Martin² wrote:


>The other problem is that passenger(s) is (are) aware when you busy driving
>(on a junction, etc) and will naturally pause the conversation, while person
>on the other end of a mobile phone will start saying "Hello, hello, are you
>still there..." thus distracting you further.
>Regards,
>Martin
>

....and on the other side of the coin, many drivers constantly turn
their heads during a face-to-face conversation to maintain eye
contact, whereas a call on a hands free kit allows the driver to keep
his eyes on the road at all times.

Chris

Ivor Jones

"Dave Higton" <davehigton@dsl.pipex.com> wrote in message
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: : In message <5qto38F121dm7U1@mid.individual.net>
: : "Ivor Jones" <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:

[snip]

: : : That still doesn't explain why it's illegal if it
: : : isn't dangerous. Still waiting for an answer on that
: : : one.
: :
: : Danger isn't the only reason to make something illegal.
: : For example, it's illegal to make noise at night that
: : would be legal during daytime. The reason is
: : consideration for others.

What difference does 1mph make..?

Ivor

The Natural Philosopher

Chris wrote:
> Martin² wrote:
>
>
>> The other problem is that passenger(s) is (are) aware when you busy driving
>> (on a junction, etc) and will naturally pause the conversation, while person
>> on the other end of a mobile phone will start saying "Hello, hello, are you
>> still there..." thus distracting you further.
>> Regards,
>> Martin
>>
>
> ...and on the other side of the coin, many drivers constantly turn
> their heads during a face-to-face conversation to maintain eye
> contact, whereas a call on a hands free kit allows the driver to keep
> his eyes on the road at all times.
>
> Chris
I used hands free quite a bit. I used to say 'hang on, got a traffic
situation coming up, wait till I get round this roundabout'

Having mindless babble coming at you is something you get use to if yu
listen to eh radio: its the other person going 'hello, are you there?'
as you skilfully control a power slide and weave your way passed
assorted zombies siting looking stupid, putting on their lipstick, or
wiping the sick off their children's mouths..


;-)

dennis@home

"Ivor Jones" <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote in message
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> "Dave Higton" <davehigton@dsl.pipex.com> wrote in message
> news:24467b474f.davehigton@dsl.pipex.com : : In message
> <5qto38F121dm7U1@mid.individual.net>
> : : "Ivor Jones" <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
> : : : That still doesn't explain why it's illegal if it
> : : : isn't dangerous. Still waiting for an answer on that
> : : : one. : : : : Danger isn't the only reason to make something illegal.
> : : For example, it's illegal to make noise at night that
> : : would be legal during daytime. The reason is
> : : consideration for others.
> What difference does 1mph make..?

An accident or not as with *all* crashes.

mymail@hotmail.com

On Thu, 22 Nov 2007 10:08:30 +0000, The Natural Philosopher <a@b.c>
wrote:

>Chris wrote:
>> Martin² wrote:
>>
>>
>>> The other problem is that passenger(s) is (are) aware when you busy driving
>>> (on a junction, etc) and will naturally pause the conversation, while person
>>> on the other end of a mobile phone will start saying "Hello, hello, are you
>>> still there..." thus distracting you further.
>>> Regards,
>>> Martin
>>>
>>
>> ...and on the other side of the coin, many drivers constantly turn
>> their heads during a face-to-face conversation to maintain eye
>> contact, whereas a call on a hands free kit allows the driver to keep
>> his eyes on the road at all times.
>>
>> Chris
>I used hands free quite a bit. I used to say 'hang on, got a traffic
>situation coming up, wait till I get round this roundabout'
>
>Having mindless babble coming at you is something you get use to if yu
>listen to eh radio: its the other person going 'hello, are you there?'
>as you skilfully control a power slide and weave your way passed
>assorted zombies siting looking stupid, putting on their lipstick, or
>wiping the sick off their children's mouths..

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion but I think it is time the
police cracked down on mobile users whilst they are driving I never
have my phone switched on while I am driving and the only reason I
have take with me is in case of a brake down or some other emergency.

Chris Curtis

<mymail*************> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 22 Nov 2007 10:08:30 +0000, The Natural Philosopher <a@b.c>
> wrote:
>
>>Chris wrote:
>>> Martin² wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> The other problem is that passenger(s) is (are) aware when you busy
>>>> driving
>>>> (on a junction, etc) and will naturally pause the conversation, while
>>>> person
>>>> on the other end of a mobile phone will start saying "Hello, hello, are
>>>> you
>>>> still there..." thus distracting you further.
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Martin
>>>>
>>>
>>> ...and on the other side of the coin, many drivers constantly turn
>>> their heads during a face-to-face conversation to maintain eye
>>> contact, whereas a call on a hands free kit allows the driver to keep
>>> his eyes on the road at all times.
>>>
>>> Chris
>>I used hands free quite a bit. I used to say 'hang on, got a traffic
>>situation coming up, wait till I get round this roundabout'
>>
>>Having mindless babble coming at you is something you get use to if yu
>>listen to eh radio: its the other person going 'hello, are you there?'
>>as you skilfully control a power slide and weave your way passed
>>assorted zombies siting looking stupid, putting on their lipstick, or
>>wiping the sick off their children's mouths..
>
> Everyone is entitled to their own opinion but I think it is time the
> police cracked down on mobile users whilst they are driving I never
> have my phone switched on while I am driving and the only reason I
> have take with me is in case of a brake down or some other emergency.

The police aren't around to 'crack down' on anything nowadays!
How many cars do you see without lights on when its foggy?
And how many with rear lights on when it isn't...

Chris

The Natural Philosopher

mymail************* wrote:
> On Thu, 22 Nov 2007 10:08:30 +0000, The Natural Philosopher <a@b.c>
> wrote:
>
>> Chris wrote:
>>> Martin² wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> The other problem is that passenger(s) is (are) aware when you busy driving
>>>> (on a junction, etc) and will naturally pause the conversation, while person
>>>> on the other end of a mobile phone will start saying "Hello, hello, are you
>>>> still there..." thus distracting you further.
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Martin
>>>>
>>> ...and on the other side of the coin, many drivers constantly turn
>>> their heads during a face-to-face conversation to maintain eye
>>> contact, whereas a call on a hands free kit allows the driver to keep
>>> his eyes on the road at all times.
>>>
>>> Chris
>> I used hands free quite a bit. I used to say 'hang on, got a traffic
>> situation coming up, wait till I get round this roundabout'
>>
>> Having mindless babble coming at you is something you get use to if yu
>> listen to eh radio: its the other person going 'hello, are you there?'
>> as you skilfully control a power slide and weave your way passed
>> assorted zombies siting looking stupid, putting on their lipstick, or
>> wiping the sick off their children's mouths..
>
> Everyone is entitled to their own opinion but I think it is time the
> police cracked down on mobile users whilst they are driving I never
> have my phone switched on while I am driving and the only reason I
> have take with me is in case of a brake down or some other emergency.

That's obviously right FOR YOU, but don't underestimate the pitch of
concentration and the ability to be simply rude to callers if the
traffic demands it that comes after years of high mileage driving.

I WISH the police instead of prosecuting for technical offences, would
actually prosecute people who DO have accidents.

As it is, if you reverse out into a car coming along a main road, you
get nothing. If you do 38mph down te same road at 3 a.m. you get £60 and
three points.

Which is in fact the worse offence?

But of course, which is easier to get an easy conviction on?