Matthew Long

2007 Apple iPhone v 2004 Nokia 6630

3G
6630 - Yes
iPhone - No

User removable battery
6630 - Yes
iPhone - No

Video recording
6630 Yes
iPhone - No

MMS
6630 - Yes
iPhone - No (UNBELIEVABLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

Video Calling
6630 - Yes
iPhone - No

Sms send to multiple contacts at same time
6630 - Yes
iPhone - No

Caller Groups
6630 - Yes
iPhone - No

Proper multi tasking
6630 - Yes
iPhone - No

MP3 Ringing tones
6630 - Yes
iPhone - No

Yes, it has MANY advantages, like the much talked about touch screen, WIFI,
User interface. But how can a 2007 phone be short of all of the above, that
was available years ago!

the dog from that film you saw

"Matthew Long" <no_sp@m.net> wrote in message
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>
> Yes, it has MANY advantages, like the much talked about touch screen,



a touch screen is not an advantage.
anyone who has ever owned a touchscreen device will tell you that.
if touchscreens were so great, manufacturers would make the buttons on their
non touch screen devices perfectly flat with no tactile feedback to emulate
a touchscreen.
the keyboard for your pc wouldnt have keys, it would have flat touch
sensetive keys instead.

touch screens are, horrible.
one day they may invent one where the screen has a jelly like coating giving
tactile feedback with software programmable keys that push through the
screen - maybe thousands of tiny pins pushing out to create shapes.
until that day, touchscreens are not worth having.



--
Gareth.

That fly... is your magic wand.
http://www.last.fm/user/dsbmusic/

Jon

dsb@removethisportionbtinternet.com declared for all the world to
hear...
> a touch screen is not an advantage.
> anyone who has ever owned a touchscreen device will tell you that.

I have owned a few and I've found them to be advantageous.

> if touchscreens were so great, manufacturers would make the buttons on their
> non touch screen devices perfectly flat with no tactile feedback to emulate
> a touchscreen.

Why?

> the keyboard for your pc wouldnt have keys, it would have flat touch
> sensetive keys instead.

Fantasy land again? A keyboard does not need to be looked at to be
operated, hence it needs some tactility. When one is operating a phone
one generally looks at the screen to see what one is doing, therefore
lack of tactile feedback is not an issue.

> touch screens are, horrible.

In your opinion. In my opinion they are great.
--
Regards
Jon

the dog from that film you saw

"Jon" <spam@jonparker.plus.com> wrote in message
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> Fantasy land again? A keyboard does not need to be looked at to be
> operated, hence it needs some tactility. When one is operating a phone
> one generally looks at the screen to see what one is doing, therefore
> lack of tactile feedback is not an issue.


so when you send text messages you always look at the keys?
do you think everyone does?


--
Gareth.

That fly... is your magic wand.
http://www.last.fm/user/dsbmusic/

David Hearn

the dog from that film you saw wrote:
> "Matthew Long" <no_sp@m.net> wrote in message
> news:R93_i.4450$pg.3115@newsfe6-win.ntli.net...
>
>
>> Yes, it has MANY advantages, like the much talked about touch screen,
>
>
>
> a touch screen is not an advantage.
> anyone who has ever owned a touchscreen device will tell you that.
> if touchscreens were so great, manufacturers would make the buttons on their
> non touch screen devices perfectly flat with no tactile feedback to emulate
> a touchscreen.
> the keyboard for your pc wouldnt have keys, it would have flat touch
> sensetive keys instead.
>
> touch screens are, horrible.
> one day they may invent one where the screen has a jelly like coating giving
> tactile feedback with software programmable keys that push through the
> screen - maybe thousands of tiny pins pushing out to create shapes.
> until that day, touchscreens are not worth having.

Hence why I've had/got a T-Mobile MDA Vario and Vario III - touch screen
for when it's useful (scrolling, selecting web links, selecting things
on the screen), but when I need to do anything more than single word
entry, I use the real QWERTY keyboard which slides out.

I can't stand using touchscreen devices which have no other (or too few)
hardware buttons. My current device (Vario III) has:

Call button
Hangup button
Start menu button
OK button (+ another on the side)
Internet button
Mail button
2x Physical softkeys
Camera button
Voice control button (with separate push and hold functionality for
another option)
Scroll wheel
Normal 4 way joypad + centre select button.

Most, apart from, for example, the call/hangup/softkey buttons are
completely configurable to do what you want - rotate the screen, launch
TomTom, etc.

I've used a similar non-phone PDA which had just a touchscreen and 2
buttons - useless as touchscreen without stylus (ie. finger/nail) is
difficult to get accurate. Okay in some circumstances - but stylus
works best for accuracy but you don't want to get it out much (I rarely
do). Touchscreen is good for some things, whereas physical
buttons/keyboard is better for other things. One of the reasons I could
never get on with an iPhone is the lack of hardware buttons.

D

R. Mark Clayton

"Matthew Long" <no_sp@m.net> wrote in message
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> 2007 Apple iPhone v 2004 Nokia 6630
>
> 3G
> 6630 - Yes
> iPhone - No
>
> User removable battery
> 6630 - Yes
> iPhone - No

User removable SIM
6630 - Yes
Iphone - No?

BTW they really did queue at the Apple shop: -

http://hardware.silicon.com/pdas/0,3...69110-4,00.htm

>
> Video recording
> 6630 Yes
> iPhone - No
>
> MMS
> 6630 - Yes
> iPhone - No (UNBELIEVABLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
>
> Video Calling
> 6630 - Yes
> iPhone - No
>
> Sms send to multiple contacts at same time
> 6630 - Yes
> iPhone - No
>
> Caller Groups
> 6630 - Yes
> iPhone - No
>
> Proper multi tasking
> 6630 - Yes
> iPhone - No
>
> MP3 Ringing tones
> 6630 - Yes
> iPhone - No
>
> Yes, it has MANY advantages, like the much talked about touch screen,
> WIFI, User interface. But how can a 2007 phone be short of all of the
> above, that was available years ago!
>
>
>
>
>
>

andy

On 13 Nov, 13:40, "R. Mark Clayton" <nospamclay...@btinternet.com>
wrote:
> "Matthew Long" <no...@m.net> wrote in message
>
> news:R93_i.4450$pg.3115@newsfe6-win.ntli.net...
>
> > 2007 Apple iPhone v 2004 Nokia 6630
>

> User removable SIM
> 6630 - Yes
> Iphone - No?
>
> BTW they really did queue at the Apple shop: -
>
> http://hardware.silicon.com/pdas/0,3...69110-4,00.htm

looks like the crowd would have been a lot smaller without the
journalists there to report on the crowd

Jon

dsb@removethisportionbtinternet.com declared for all the world to
hear...
> so when you send text messages you always look at the keys?

Yes.

> do you think everyone does?

I don't really care what everyone else does, but the majority of people
I've witnessed sending a text message tend to look at what they are
typing.
--
Regards
Jon

Marc

Jon wrote:
> dsb@removethisportionbtinternet.com declared for all the world to
> hear...
>> so when you send text messages you always look at the keys?
>
> Yes.
>
>> do you think everyone does?
>
> I don't really care what everyone else does, but the majority of people
> I've witnessed sending a text message tend to look at what they are
> typing.

I have an iPod Touch - but I have to use my old hard disk based iPod in
the car, because trying to change tracks on the Touch while driving is
is simply dangerous! However, when sat down on a bus, or at home the
iPod touch is obviously nicer to use.

Marc