Paul Thurrott - "You need an iPhone"

Carl

Todd Allcock wrote:
> At 12 Jun 2008 09:22:23 -0400 Carl wrote:
>
>> Yes, thanks to all of you who have pointed me to Mobileme, which I
>> was
> not
>> aware of until one helpful poster (before you I mean) posted it last
>> night.
>
>>
>> And that program makes the iPhone more appealing to me. However, and
>> I don't mean to be trying to throw roadblocks of rationalizations at
>> you all, I believe neither MS Exchange nor Mobileme sychronize the
>> task list or Notes,
>
>> but only the calendar and address book. I did mention all four
>> functions in my original post. I use them all. Any information or
>> workarounds on
> these
>> two functions?
>
>
> Check out , a SyncML client. You install an Outlook
> plug-in on your PC, and the Funambol client on your smartphone (or
> dumbphone) then sync with your choice of free SyncML servers, or
> install the server software on your own PC if the idea of storing
> your data on someone else's server scares you.
>
> Funambol supports Contacts, Calendar, Tasks and Notes.
>
Very interesting program. However, not calendar nor tasks nor notes are
"supported yet". That implies they will be in the future though, I take it.
Here's the funambol for the iphone site:

Todd Allcock

At 16 Jun 2008 16:15:12 -0400 Carl wrote:


> > Funambol supports Contacts, Calendar, Tasks and Notes.
> >
> Very interesting program. However, not calendar nor tasks nor notes are
> "supported yet". That implies they will be in the future though, I take
it.
> Here's the funambol for the iphone site:
>

Sorry, I was still working under the assumption that you hadn't settled on
an iPhone yet, but were still in the process of selecting a device. (I
wasn't aware the iPhone even had a "Notes" application to sync with.)

I use Funambol with my touchscreen Windows Mobile devices that support all
four categories you were concerned with. The AT&T Tilt, for example, would
suit your requirements. Funambol would allow you to sync wirelessly over
the air (as would Exchange, but annoyingly, Exchange doesn't support Notes
sync with mobile devices!)

Carl

Todd Allcock wrote:
> At 16 Jun 2008 16:15:12 -0400 Carl wrote:
>
>
>>> Funambol supports Contacts, Calendar, Tasks and Notes.
>>>
>> Very interesting program. However, not calendar nor tasks nor notes
>> are "supported yet". That implies they will be in the future
>> though, I take it. Here's the funambol for the iphone site:
>>
>
> Sorry, I was still working under the assumption that you hadn't
> settled on an iPhone yet, but were still in the process of selecting
> a device. (I wasn't aware the iPhone even had a "Notes" application
> to sync with.)
>
> I use Funambol with my touchscreen Windows Mobile devices that
> support all four categories you were concerned with. The AT&T Tilt,
> for example, would suit your requirements. Funambol would allow you
> to sync wirelessly over the air (as would Exchange, but annoyingly,
> Exchange doesn't support Notes sync with mobile devices!)
>
It's been a long thread so some of the points have been lost in translation.
To review how we got to here, I use a Blackberry device (8330) which syncs
wonderfully with MS Outlook- no complaints. I am fascinated by the iPhone
however and said I would get one of the new 3G ones if it synced as well
with MS Outlook. Then the suggestions began rolling in, from MS Exchange to
Mobileme to Funambol. None of the suggestions really does the job without
far greater expense and/or more hassle. That brings you up to date!

Larry

Todd Allcock <> wrote in
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> I use Funambol with my touchscreen Windows Mobile devices that support
> all four categories you were concerned with. The AT&T Tilt, for
> example, would suit your requirements. Funambol would allow you to
> sync wirelessly over the air (as would Exchange, but annoyingly,
> Exchange doesn't support Notes sync with mobile devices!)
>
>

Silly me, but why don't you guys use Remote Desktop from your XP/Vista
boxes or rdesktop from your Linux boxes? Then, you don't need to "sync"
all these duplicate notes and lists and other databases, but can access
them, directly, from your mobile Windows boxes over wifi or sellphone
system.

I don't use Outlook because I don't like to be a target, but Pegasus'
latest version works great over remote desktop as it requires nothing
special. If you've no keyboard to do typing, your stylus will work with
the WinXP on-screen keyboard WinXP provides just fine. I leave it in the
corner of the screen just to simplify using Windows function keys, even
though I'm doing my typing from my BT folding keyboard. It'll support both
simultaneously.

I'm sure there's a remote desktop to install in WinMo 5 or 6 from microsoft
if it's not installed. Everything works, except video and audio of course,
but that makes no difference doing what you want.

Dean

Thanks, actually THREE times. That iPhone is a BIIIG turd.

Dean


"News" <> wrote in message
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>
>
> Dean wrote:
>
>> Ever try one of those "comfort height" toilets?
>>
>> You GOTTA get one. Makes dropping an iPhone a pleasure.
>>
>
>
> Make sure it isn't a "low flow". Those you gotta flush twice.

Todd Allcock

At 16 Jun 2008 19:45:36 -0400 Carl wrote:

> It's been a long thread so some of the points have been lost in
> translation.
> To review how we got to here, I use a Blackberry device (8330) which
> syncs
> wonderfully with MS Outlook- no complaints. I am fascinated by the iPhone
> however and said I would get one of the new 3G ones if it synced as well
> with MS Outlook. Then the suggestions began rolling in, from MS Exchange
> to
> Mobileme to Funambol. None of the suggestions really does the job without
> far greater expense and/or more hassle. That brings you up to date!


Perfectly, thanks! Nice synopsys.

You had me up until the "fascinated by the iphone" part... ;-)

Kidding aside, the iPhone is an impressive device in a "savant" kind of
way. A great browser, e-mail client and media player powering a device
that's been crippled in the most ridiculous ways. A friend of mine
(who LOVES his iPhone) has to e-mail himself every document he thinks he'll
need before any overseas trip because you can't store them locally on the
phone- he has to open the documents as e-mail attachments to view them,
(and still can't edit, annotate, or save them.) 16GB of storage, and he
can't put a spreadsheet or PDF on it without his e-mail "trick." (Yet, as
testimony to the device, he's willing and happy to do that rather than use
his old Treo that could store such documents internally.)

Sure the 2.0 software will add new features and third-party capabilities,
but will it correct the flawed "ease-of-use at all costs"/ "don't rile the
record companies" design philosophy? I doubt it. The whole lack of
files/folders access smacks of Zune-like DRM-lockdown- only can load media
from a partnered PC (or buy it from the iTunes store via WiFi), can't
transfer media between iPhones, etc.

As cumbersome as my WinMobile device can be to configure or use at times,
at least it knows who owns it! ;-) Sure, I envy the iPhone's thinness and
pretty display, but the price of those thngs (not in dollars, but in
reduced functionality) just isn't worth it. I use my device as a laptop
replacement, and the thought of mass-e-mailing myself the contents of my
current device's My Documents folder just to have access to needed
documents eliminates the iPhone, at least in current form, from my list of
potential next devices.

DubbelDubbery

"Jim Mason" <.uk> schreef in bericht
news: t...
> In article <4850d2d2$0$14342$>,
> says...
>
>> I am still waiting for the AmigA phone, until then......... ;o)
>
> The N95 is as close as you will get.

Lets hope not, it has absolutely nothing that resembles
the amiga, I have it, actually I have an amiga here and an N95
so I know it isn`t close in any ways.

Carl

Todd Allcock wrote:
> At 16 Jun 2008 19:45:36 -0400 Carl wrote:
>
>> It's been a long thread so some of the points have been lost in
>> translation.
>> To review how we got to here, I use a Blackberry device (8330) which
>> syncs
>> wonderfully with MS Outlook- no complaints. I am fascinated by the
>> iPhone however and said I would get one of the new 3G ones if it
>> synced as well with MS Outlook. Then the suggestions began rolling
>> in, from MS Exchange to
>> Mobileme to Funambol. None of the suggestions really does the job
>> without far greater expense and/or more hassle. That brings you up
>> to date!
>
>
> Perfectly, thanks! Nice synopsys.
>
> You had me up until the "fascinated by the iphone" part... ;-)
>
> Kidding aside, the iPhone is an impressive device in a "savant" kind
> of way. A great browser, e-mail client and media player powering a
> device that's been crippled in the most ridiculous ways. A friend of
> mine (who LOVES his iPhone) has to e-mail himself every document he
> thinks he'll need before any overseas trip because you can't store
> them locally on the phone- he has to open the documents as e-mail
> attachments to view them, (and still can't edit, annotate, or save
> them.) 16GB of storage, and he can't put a spreadsheet or PDF on it
> without his e-mail "trick." (Yet, as testimony to the device, he's
> willing and happy to do that rather than use his old Treo that could
> store such documents internally.)
>
> Sure the 2.0 software will add new features and third-party
> capabilities, but will it correct the flawed "ease-of-use at all
> costs"/ "don't rile the record companies" design philosophy? I doubt
> it. The whole lack of files/folders access smacks of Zune-like
> DRM-lockdown- only can load media from a partnered PC (or buy it from
> the iTunes store via WiFi), can't transfer media between iPhones, etc.
>
> As cumbersome as my WinMobile device can be to configure or use at
> times, at least it knows who owns it! ;-) Sure, I envy the iPhone's
> thinness and pretty display, but the price of those thngs (not in
> dollars, but in reduced functionality) just isn't worth it. I use my
> device as a laptop replacement, and the thought of mass-e-mailing
> myself the contents of my current device's My Documents folder just
> to have access to needed documents eliminates the iPhone, at least in
> current form, from my list of potential next devices.
>
Agreed. More or less as I see it: a wonderfully glorified consumer toy with
very limited use as a business tool.

Menatime, I had a client in my office the other day who had both a Curve and
iPhone, both on AT&T with its slower internet access. He told me he loves
his iPhone more and only carries the Curve because his business requires it
(a telling enough statement). I asked him why he loves it over the Curve
and, of course, he was fixated on all the neat 'gadget' things that attract
me too: the way the touch-screen menus work, the ability to expand and
contract a page by pinching your fingers, etc. I asked him to open a
website and we waited a long time for it to open and, admittedly, the
graphic had great resolution and looked nice. Then I opened the same site on
my Verizon Curve, and his response was like, "Wow!". Mine opened in less
than half the time and the graphic, while not quite as resolute, was pretty
damn good to our human eyes next to his. Plus the Curve was perhaps 2/3 the
size and half the weight. I asked him if he thought the resolution
difference was really that important when surfing the web for information.
He acknowledged that it wasn't. I think he (and his daughter) walked away
more impressed with my Curve's functionality FOR WHAT IT WAS NEEDED TO DO,
than I was by his iPhone's gimmickry, which has its strengths more as a
glorified iPod and a picture viewer.

That said, allow me to take the time to qualify that I recognize that the
internet browsing speed difference will be negated as of 7/11, but at a cost
in size and weight. And that we never got into PIM functionality, which the
iPhone has yet to address satisfactorily and the Curve beats it hands down.
But finally let me add that I am a gadget lover and none of the above, while
speaking from my practical, right-brain side, negates the fact that I'd like
to own an iPhone.

The Bob

"Carl" <> amazed us all with the following
in news:485941da$0$11644$:

> Todd Allcock wrote:
>> At 16 Jun 2008 19:45:36 -0400 Carl wrote:
>>
>>> It's been a long thread so some of the points have been lost in
>>> translation.
>>> To review how we got to here, I use a Blackberry device (8330) which
>>> syncs
>>> wonderfully with MS Outlook- no complaints. I am fascinated by the
>>> iPhone however and said I would get one of the new 3G ones if it
>>> synced as well with MS Outlook. Then the suggestions began rolling
>>> in, from MS Exchange to
>>> Mobileme to Funambol. None of the suggestions really does the job
>>> without far greater expense and/or more hassle. That brings you up
>>> to date!
>>
>>
>> Perfectly, thanks! Nice synopsys.
>>
>> You had me up until the "fascinated by the iphone" part... ;-)
>>
>> Kidding aside, the iPhone is an impressive device in a "savant" kind
>> of way. A great browser, e-mail client and media player powering a
>> device that's been crippled in the most ridiculous ways. A friend of
>> mine (who LOVES his iPhone) has to e-mail himself every document he
>> thinks he'll need before any overseas trip because you can't store
>> them locally on the phone- he has to open the documents as e-mail
>> attachments to view them, (and still can't edit, annotate, or save
>> them.) 16GB of storage, and he can't put a spreadsheet or PDF on it
>> without his e-mail "trick." (Yet, as testimony to the device, he's
>> willing and happy to do that rather than use his old Treo that could
>> store such documents internally.)
>>
>> Sure the 2.0 software will add new features and third-party
>> capabilities, but will it correct the flawed "ease-of-use at all
>> costs"/ "don't rile the record companies" design philosophy? I doubt
>> it. The whole lack of files/folders access smacks of Zune-like
>> DRM-lockdown- only can load media from a partnered PC (or buy it from
>> the iTunes store via WiFi), can't transfer media between iPhones,
>> etc.
>>
>> As cumbersome as my WinMobile device can be to configure or use at
>> times, at least it knows who owns it! ;-) Sure, I envy the iPhone's
>> thinness and pretty display, but the price of those thngs (not in
>> dollars, but in reduced functionality) just isn't worth it. I use my
>> device as a laptop replacement, and the thought of mass-e-mailing
>> myself the contents of my current device's My Documents folder just
>> to have access to needed documents eliminates the iPhone, at least in
>> current form, from my list of potential next devices.
>>
> Agreed. More or less as I see it: a wonderfully glorified consumer toy
> with very limited use as a business tool.
>
> Menatime, I had a client in my office the other day who had both a
> Curve and iPhone, both on AT&T with its slower internet access. He
> told me he loves his iPhone more and only carries the Curve because
> his business requires it (a telling enough statement). I asked him
> why he loves it over the Curve and, of course, he was fixated on all
> the neat 'gadget' things that attract me too: the way the touch-screen
> menus work, the ability to expand and contract a page by pinching your
> fingers, etc. I asked him to open a website and we waited a long time
> for it to open and, admittedly, the graphic had great resolution and
> looked nice. Then I opened the same site on my Verizon Curve, and his
> response was like, "Wow!". Mine opened in less than half the time and
> the graphic, while not quite as resolute, was pretty damn good to our
> human eyes next to his. Plus the Curve was perhaps 2/3 the size and
> half the weight. I asked him if he thought the resolution difference
> was really that important when surfing the web for information. He
> acknowledged that it wasn't. I think he (and his daughter) walked away
> more impressed with my Curve's functionality FOR WHAT IT WAS NEEDED TO
> DO, than I was by his iPhone's gimmickry, which has its strengths more
> as a glorified iPod and a picture viewer.
>
> That said, allow me to take the time to qualify that I recognize that
> the internet browsing speed difference will be negated as of 7/11, but
> at a cost in size and weight. And that we never got into PIM
> functionality, which the iPhone has yet to address satisfactorily and
> the Curve beats it hands down. But finally let me add that I am a
> gadget lover and none of the above, while speaking from my practical,
> right-brain side, negates the fact that I'd like to own an iPhone.
>
>
>

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