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Unread 02-04-2013, 07:54 PM   #11
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If Microsoft has any brains at all, Windows 9 will do just that, selectable UIs during installation. This business of choosing a UI on the fly is STOOPID!

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My laptop always boots to the proper desktop, so quite often I forget I'm not on 7, hit the WinKey, and inevitable panic ensues.
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Yeah, that Win8 dual UI is a really dumb idea. They should have known better. But then they committed Vista on us, so who knows.
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At least you could get used to Vista!! I will never get used to this craptastic OS that looks and works like W7 most of the time, then BAM! It suddenly turns into the mutant lovechild of Windows Phone and xBox.
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Don't hold back! Tell us what you REALLY think! BTW, I agree totally.
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Re: Favorite Linux version

In my college days i was first introduced to Knoppix linux.after a couple of years i was introduced to Ubuntu operating system.In degree college we had a project on Fedora version of linux.But by far i like Ubuntu the most.
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@davnel: I agree mate. M$ should offer more options and be flexible. Just like the Browser Ballot in EU, they should provide an option to select the UI mode during install. I would like to have the following options (at least); preferably as a per user setting.

1) Basic - Minimalistic style for Workstations
2) Standard - A Windows 7ish style with Start Menu and stuff; optimised for use with a mouse & keyboard.
3) Entertainment - Media Center based UI for HTPCs; optimized for using with a remote control
4) Touch - With Metro/Start Screen and all that crap; touch optimized.

Back to the topic, I still prefer Fedora for my PC and CentOS for my servers.

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Correct, in principle. Now we just have to convince Redmond to do it. However, I don't think the per-user idea will wash. The UI selected will almost certainly be determined by hardware and intended use rather than being something that will change on the fly. Most machines are single-user or single usage mode multi-user anyhow. In any event, the difference between basic, standard, and HTPC setups can be realized with Win 7 now, as user preference settings.

The install option should only be between Metro and Standard desktop since that's hardware based. And, yes, Win8 Metro is essentially useless without touch. (I don't care WHAT Microsoft says, the touch UI is "METRO" - after all, they started it!)

The only problem I see is that there are still some applications that won't run under Metro, and require the standard desktop, like Office. When Microsoft fixes that, then the separate installs will work. Until then, we're stuck.
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My problem with Linux, in general, is that I've gotten lazy in my old age. I don't want to have to master the Linux CLI just to run the bloody thing. Back when Unix was Unix, and in the early days of Linux, you didn't have a choice. You learned it or had a very large, expensive paper weight. I had the same problem with DOS and Win95. Linux, especially Ubuntu/Mint, is slowly getting to the point where the CLI isn't necessary, but it ain't there yet. It's about at the point where Win3.1/95 was.

Winders doesn't really require any of that, since the advent of Win98, unless you are an admin in an IT department. Utilities are provided, either built in or 3rd party, to take care of almost all of the settings. That's where Linux should be to succeed.

Remember, most Windows users are not enthusiasts, don't even realize the CLI is there, and wouldn't know what to do with it if they did. Computers, to them, are appliances; fancy typewriters and adding machines. Scripting is a totally foreign concept and language to them, like trying to learn Chinese. They have enough trouble just learning to use them, by rote, let alone programming. Never happen.

It's very hard for folks like us to realize that most people have absolutely no understanding of technology, or computers, or even science. We grew up with it. It's in our blood, and it's FUN, but not to them. It's just mysterious and frightening. The idea of a computer switching display modes in the middle of something they're doing, for no apparent reason, is confusing and scary, and happens a lot. Even Leo Laporte is struggling with it, on the air. That's a little sobering. See this week's Windows Weekly podcast (#306) on twit.tv.
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