CPU and Board Suggestion

"Joe_Z" <JoeZ@botkiller.com> wrote in message
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> "Paul" <nospam@needed.com> wrote in message news:ff16qj$9t0$1@aioe.org...
>> Joe_Z wrote:
>>> I'm going 64 bit and would like to OC a little er maybe alot and maybe
>>> get a larger CPU when they come down (if they ever do) I'd like the low
>>> voltage version first so I can have time to save up for a 500w PSU
>>> later, I've looked at the Asus boards with the long pipe copper heat
>>> sink and the xp 4200 I believe it is, anyway I'd just like a chipset
>>> that allows some clocking and not break the bank before the quads come
>>> out, many thanks in advance...
>>
>> If you want to go AMD, they have introduced a great product for you.
>> The "black" edition processors, have unlocked multipliers. That means
>> you can just adjust the multiplier setting, to get whatever core
>> speed you want, without having to change the input clock to the CPU.
>> You'll need to pick up a heatsink/fan to use, as it is not included
>> with the "black" boxed processors.
>>
>> AMD Athlon 64 X2 5000+ Brisbane 2.6GHz 2 x 512KB L2 Cache Socket AM2 65W
>> Black Edition Processor - Retail $130
>> ("Cooling device not included - Processor Only" - see spec section)
>> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819103194
>>
>> I take it, that this one is unlocked as well. It also does not come
>> with a cooler. But the power dissipation rating of these is higher
>> than for other, lower speed members of the AM2 family, so plan
>> accordingly. Since this is already pretty close to the top operating
>> frequency for the family, I would not expect this to overclock a
>> lot percentage-wise. Note that "black edition" is not mentioned
>> in the advertising copy.
>>
>> AMD Athlon 64 X2 6400+ Windsor 3.2GHz 2 x 1MB L2 Cache Socket AM2
>> Processor - Retail $210
>> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819103191
>>
>> You can check the power ratings of these products, by using
>> www.amdcompare.com . Overvolting the processor, makes it run hotter,
>> so buy a decent cooler.
>>
>> HTH,
>> Paul
>
> I've been and AMD man since I got my diron 700 clocked to a gig and
> never looked back at intel and don't expect I'll ever look at the $250+
> extra for a few megabytes more come on, many thanks for your input, will
> stay with AMD forever...Joe
>

AMD made some incredible CPUs, no doubt. Going back to the days of PR75(?)
v. Pentium and before. I remember thinking - what the hell was the point in
paying quadruple for the same performance (Athlon 800 v. P3-800). AMD always
had the best options, from budget to high-end. Athlon XP's just smashed
Intel's P4's all over the place, for much less money. But things have
changed massively, and Intel have the budget, midrange and top end CPU's
covered, their quad cores are long-proven, plus you can overclock the hell
out of cheap Core 2 Duos without even raising the voltage.

I really hope AMD can pull something astonishing out of the hat, God knows
they have been pioneers in the past, but they rested on their laurels and I
don't see the point in building a PC with a current AMD CPU, especially if
you're on a budget *and* you want to overclock, when an Intel build for the
same price can offer so much more power.

Regards,

Dr.White.

"Dr.White" <akai.electric.co@googlemail.com> wrote in message
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> "Joe_Z" <JoeZ@botkiller.com> wrote in message
> news:83qRi.13606$fm1.916@trnddc01...
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>> "Paul" <nospam@needed.com> wrote in message news:ff16qj$9t0$1@aioe.org...
>>> Joe_Z wrote:
>>>> I'm going 64 bit and would like to OC a little er maybe alot and maybe
>>>> get a larger CPU when they come down (if they ever do) I'd like the low
>>>> voltage version first so I can have time to save up for a 500w PSU
>>>> later, I've looked at the Asus boards with the long pipe copper heat
>>>> sink and the xp 4200 I believe it is, anyway I'd just like a chipset
>>>> that allows some clocking and not break the bank before the quads come
>>>> out, many thanks in advance...
>>>
>>> If you want to go AMD, they have introduced a great product for you.
>>> The "black" edition processors, have unlocked multipliers. That means
>>> you can just adjust the multiplier setting, to get whatever core
>>> speed you want, without having to change the input clock to the CPU.
>>> You'll need to pick up a heatsink/fan to use, as it is not included
>>> with the "black" boxed processors.
>>>
>>> AMD Athlon 64 X2 5000+ Brisbane 2.6GHz 2 x 512KB L2 Cache Socket AM2 65W
>>> Black Edition Processor - Retail $130
>>> ("Cooling device not included - Processor Only" - see spec section)
>>> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819103194
>>>
>>> I take it, that this one is unlocked as well. It also does not come
>>> with a cooler. But the power dissipation rating of these is higher
>>> than for other, lower speed members of the AM2 family, so plan
>>> accordingly. Since this is already pretty close to the top operating
>>> frequency for the family, I would not expect this to overclock a
>>> lot percentage-wise. Note that "black edition" is not mentioned
>>> in the advertising copy.
>>>
>>> AMD Athlon 64 X2 6400+ Windsor 3.2GHz 2 x 1MB L2 Cache Socket AM2
>>> Processor - Retail $210
>>> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819103191
>>>
>>> You can check the power ratings of these products, by using
>>> www.amdcompare.com . Overvolting the processor, makes it run hotter,
>>> so buy a decent cooler.
>>>
>>> HTH,
>>> Paul
>>
>> I've been and AMD man since I got my diron 700 clocked to a gig and
>> never looked back at intel and don't expect I'll ever look at the $250+
>> extra for a few megabytes more come on, many thanks for your input, will
>> stay with AMD forever...Joe
>>
>
> AMD made some incredible CPUs, no doubt. Going back to the days of PR75(?)
> v. Pentium and before. I remember thinking - what the hell was the point
> in paying quadruple for the same performance (Athlon 800 v. P3-800). AMD
> always had the best options, from budget to high-end. Athlon XP's just
> smashed Intel's P4's all over the place, for much less money. But things
> have changed massively, and Intel have the budget, midrange and top end
> CPU's covered, their quad cores are long-proven, plus you can overclock
> the hell out of cheap Core 2 Duos without even raising the voltage.
>
> I really hope AMD can pull something astonishing out of the hat, God knows
> they have been pioneers in the past, but they rested on their laurels and
> I don't see the point in building a PC with a current AMD CPU, especially
> if you're on a budget *and* you want to overclock, when an Intel build for
> the same price can offer so much more power.
>
> Regards,
>
> Dr.White.
>

Thanks for the input, muchly appreciated, I'll remain a loyal AMD fan
forever no question, my o'd duron 700 is still pumping at a 1gig 7 years
later , along with my other 8 AMD systems...Joe

"Joe_Z" <JoeZ@botkiller.com> wrote in message
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> "Dr.White" <akai.electric.co@googlemail.com> wrote in message
> news:39ydncUSIPfNSIHanZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@eclipse.net. uk...
>>
>> "Joe_Z" <JoeZ@botkiller.com> wrote in message
>> news:83qRi.13606$fm1.916@trnddc01...
>>>
>>> "Paul" <nospam@needed.com> wrote in message
>>> news:ff16qj$9t0$1@aioe.org...
>>>> Joe_Z wrote:
>>>>> I'm going 64 bit and would like to OC a little er maybe alot and maybe
>>>>> get a larger CPU when they come down (if they ever do) I'd like the
>>>>> low voltage version first so I can have time to save up for a 500w PSU
>>>>> later, I've looked at the Asus boards with the long pipe copper heat
>>>>> sink and the xp 4200 I believe it is, anyway I'd just like a chipset
>>>>> that allows some clocking and not break the bank before the quads come
>>>>> out, many thanks in advance...
>>>>
>>>> If you want to go AMD, they have introduced a great product for you.
>>>> The "black" edition processors, have unlocked multipliers. That means
>>>> you can just adjust the multiplier setting, to get whatever core
>>>> speed you want, without having to change the input clock to the CPU.
>>>> You'll need to pick up a heatsink/fan to use, as it is not included
>>>> with the "black" boxed processors.
>>>>
>>>> AMD Athlon 64 X2 5000+ Brisbane 2.6GHz 2 x 512KB L2 Cache Socket AM2
>>>> 65W
>>>> Black Edition Processor - Retail $130
>>>> ("Cooling device not included - Processor Only" - see spec section)
>>>> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819103194
>>>>
>>>> I take it, that this one is unlocked as well. It also does not come
>>>> with a cooler. But the power dissipation rating of these is higher
>>>> than for other, lower speed members of the AM2 family, so plan
>>>> accordingly. Since this is already pretty close to the top operating
>>>> frequency for the family, I would not expect this to overclock a
>>>> lot percentage-wise. Note that "black edition" is not mentioned
>>>> in the advertising copy.
>>>>
>>>> AMD Athlon 64 X2 6400+ Windsor 3.2GHz 2 x 1MB L2 Cache Socket AM2
>>>> Processor - Retail $210
>>>> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819103191
>>>>
>>>> You can check the power ratings of these products, by using
>>>> www.amdcompare.com . Overvolting the processor, makes it run hotter,
>>>> so buy a decent cooler.
>>>>
>>>> HTH,
>>>> Paul
>>>
>>> I've been and AMD man since I got my diron 700 clocked to a gig and
>>> never looked back at intel and don't expect I'll ever look at the $250+
>>> extra for a few megabytes more come on, many thanks for your input, will
>>> stay with AMD forever...Joe
>>>
>>
>> AMD made some incredible CPUs, no doubt. Going back to the days of
>> PR75(?) v. Pentium and before. I remember thinking - what the hell was
>> the point in paying quadruple for the same performance (Athlon 800 v.
>> P3-800). AMD always had the best options, from budget to high-end. Athlon
>> XP's just smashed Intel's P4's all over the place, for much less money.
>> But things have changed massively, and Intel have the budget, midrange
>> and top end CPU's covered, their quad cores are long-proven, plus you can
>> overclock the hell out of cheap Core 2 Duos without even raising the
>> voltage.
>>
>> I really hope AMD can pull something astonishing out of the hat, God
>> knows they have been pioneers in the past, but they rested on their
>> laurels and I don't see the point in building a PC with a current AMD
>> CPU, especially if you're on a budget *and* you want to overclock, when
>> an Intel build for the same price can offer so much more power.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Dr.White.
>>
>
> Thanks for the input, muchly appreciated, I'll remain a loyal AMD fan
> forever no question, my o'd duron 700 is still pumping at a 1gig 7 years
> later , along with my other 8 AMD systems...Joe
>
>
>

I'm loyal to AMD no matter what.

"Joe_Z" <JoeZ@botkiller.com> wrote in message
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> "Dr.White" <akai.electric.co@googlemail.com> wrote in message
> news:39ydncUSIPfNSIHanZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@eclipse.net. uk...
>>
>> "Joe_Z" <JoeZ@botkiller.com> wrote in message
>> news:83qRi.13606$fm1.916@trnddc01...
>>>
>>> "Paul" <nospam@needed.com> wrote in message
>>> news:ff16qj$9t0$1@aioe.org...
>>>> Joe_Z wrote:
>>>>> I'm going 64 bit and would like to OC a little er maybe alot and maybe
>>>>> get a larger CPU when they come down (if they ever do) I'd like the
>>>>> low voltage version first so I can have time to save up for a 500w PSU
>>>>> later, I've looked at the Asus boards with the long pipe copper heat
>>>>> sink and the xp 4200 I believe it is, anyway I'd just like a chipset
>>>>> that allows some clocking and not break the bank before the quads come
>>>>> out, many thanks in advance...
>>>>
>>>> If you want to go AMD, they have introduced a great product for you.
>>>> The "black" edition processors, have unlocked multipliers. That means
>>>> you can just adjust the multiplier setting, to get whatever core
>>>> speed you want, without having to change the input clock to the CPU.
>>>> You'll need to pick up a heatsink/fan to use, as it is not included
>>>> with the "black" boxed processors.
>>>>
>>>> AMD Athlon 64 X2 5000+ Brisbane 2.6GHz 2 x 512KB L2 Cache Socket AM2
>>>> 65W
>>>> Black Edition Processor - Retail $130
>>>> ("Cooling device not included - Processor Only" - see spec section)
>>>> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819103194
>>>>
>>>> I take it, that this one is unlocked as well. It also does not come
>>>> with a cooler. But the power dissipation rating of these is higher
>>>> than for other, lower speed members of the AM2 family, so plan
>>>> accordingly. Since this is already pretty close to the top operating
>>>> frequency for the family, I would not expect this to overclock a
>>>> lot percentage-wise. Note that "black edition" is not mentioned
>>>> in the advertising copy.
>>>>
>>>> AMD Athlon 64 X2 6400+ Windsor 3.2GHz 2 x 1MB L2 Cache Socket AM2
>>>> Processor - Retail $210
>>>> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819103191
>>>>
>>>> You can check the power ratings of these products, by using
>>>> www.amdcompare.com . Overvolting the processor, makes it run hotter,
>>>> so buy a decent cooler.
>>>>
>>>> HTH,
>>>> Paul
>>>
>>> I've been and AMD man since I got my diron 700 clocked to a gig and
>>> never looked back at intel and don't expect I'll ever look at the $250+
>>> extra for a few megabytes more come on, many thanks for your input, will
>>> stay with AMD forever...Joe
>>>
>>
>> AMD made some incredible CPUs, no doubt. Going back to the days of
>> PR75(?) v. Pentium and before. I remember thinking - what the hell was
>> the point in paying quadruple for the same performance (Athlon 800 v.
>> P3-800). AMD always had the best options, from budget to high-end. Athlon
>> XP's just smashed Intel's P4's all over the place, for much less money.
>> But things have changed massively, and Intel have the budget, midrange
>> and top end CPU's covered, their quad cores are long-proven, plus you can
>> overclock the hell out of cheap Core 2 Duos without even raising the
>> voltage.
>>
>> I really hope AMD can pull something astonishing out of the hat, God
>> knows they have been pioneers in the past, but they rested on their
>> laurels and I don't see the point in building a PC with a current AMD
>> CPU, especially if you're on a budget *and* you want to overclock, when
>> an Intel build for the same price can offer so much more power.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Dr.White.
>>
>
> Thanks for the input, muchly appreciated, I'll remain a loyal AMD fan
> forever no question, my o'd duron 700 is still pumping at a 1gig 7 years
> later , along with my other 8 AMD systems...Joe
>
>
>

I'm loyal to AMD no matter what.

"Joe_Z" <JoeZ@botkiller.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Dr.White" <akai.electric.co@googlemail.com> wrote in message
> news:39ydncUSIPfNSIHanZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@eclipse.net. uk...
>>
>> "Joe_Z" <JoeZ@botkiller.com> wrote in message
>> news:83qRi.13606$fm1.916@trnddc01...
>>>
>>> "Paul" <nospam@needed.com> wrote in message
>>> news:ff16qj$9t0$1@aioe.org...
>>>> Joe_Z wrote:
>>>>> I'm going 64 bit and would like to OC a little er maybe alot and maybe
>>>>> get a larger CPU when they come down (if they ever do) I'd like the
>>>>> low voltage version first so I can have time to save up for a 500w PSU
>>>>> later, I've looked at the Asus boards with the long pipe copper heat
>>>>> sink and the xp 4200 I believe it is, anyway I'd just like a chipset
>>>>> that allows some clocking and not break the bank before the quads come
>>>>> out, many thanks in advance...
>>>>
>>>> If you want to go AMD, they have introduced a great product for you.
>>>> The "black" edition processors, have unlocked multipliers. That means
>>>> you can just adjust the multiplier setting, to get whatever core
>>>> speed you want, without having to change the input clock to the CPU.
>>>> You'll need to pick up a heatsink/fan to use, as it is not included
>>>> with the "black" boxed processors.
>>>>
>>>> AMD Athlon 64 X2 5000+ Brisbane 2.6GHz 2 x 512KB L2 Cache Socket AM2
>>>> 65W
>>>> Black Edition Processor - Retail $130
>>>> ("Cooling device not included - Processor Only" - see spec section)
>>>> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819103194
>>>>
>>>> I take it, that this one is unlocked as well. It also does not come
>>>> with a cooler. But the power dissipation rating of these is higher
>>>> than for other, lower speed members of the AM2 family, so plan
>>>> accordingly. Since this is already pretty close to the top operating
>>>> frequency for the family, I would not expect this to overclock a
>>>> lot percentage-wise. Note that "black edition" is not mentioned
>>>> in the advertising copy.
>>>>
>>>> AMD Athlon 64 X2 6400+ Windsor 3.2GHz 2 x 1MB L2 Cache Socket AM2
>>>> Processor - Retail $210
>>>> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819103191
>>>>
>>>> You can check the power ratings of these products, by using
>>>> www.amdcompare.com . Overvolting the processor, makes it run hotter,
>>>> so buy a decent cooler.
>>>>
>>>> HTH,
>>>> Paul
>>>
>>> I've been and AMD man since I got my diron 700 clocked to a gig and
>>> never looked back at intel and don't expect I'll ever look at the $250+
>>> extra for a few megabytes more come on, many thanks for your input, will
>>> stay with AMD forever...Joe
>>>
>>
>> AMD made some incredible CPUs, no doubt. Going back to the days of
>> PR75(?) v. Pentium and before. I remember thinking - what the hell was
>> the point in paying quadruple for the same performance (Athlon 800 v.
>> P3-800). AMD always had the best options, from budget to high-end. Athlon
>> XP's just smashed Intel's P4's all over the place, for much less money.
>> But things have changed massively, and Intel have the budget, midrange
>> and top end CPU's covered, their quad cores are long-proven, plus you can
>> overclock the hell out of cheap Core 2 Duos without even raising the
>> voltage.
>>
>> I really hope AMD can pull something astonishing out of the hat, God
>> knows they have been pioneers in the past, but they rested on their
>> laurels and I don't see the point in building a PC with a current AMD
>> CPU, especially if you're on a budget *and* you want to overclock, when
>> an Intel build for the same price can offer so much more power.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Dr.White.
>>
>
> Thanks for the input, muchly appreciated, I'll remain a loyal AMD fan
> forever no question, my o'd duron 700 is still pumping at a 1gig 7 years
> later , along with my other 8 AMD systems...Joe
>
>
>

I'm loyal to AMD no matter what.