Epson Stylus Photo 785EPX no longer print black. Is it possible tofix?

David Rance

Hello Art,

Thanks for a quick response.

I'm pretty sure that it's type 1 that you describe below. There's
nothing in the docs to suggest I need to change the head, nor have I
seen any heads for sale. If it's any help the cartridges used are 23 for
colour and 45 for black.

David

On Tue, 4 Mar 2008 Arthur Entlich wrote:

>I'm not well versed in the HP model numbers. Can you tell me if that
>printer uses a ink cartridge with a disposable head incorporated into
>it, or are the ink cartridge and heads purchased separately.
>
>Epson heads are piezo-electric and they are designed for very long use
>without replacement (pretty much life of the printer). However, HP
>has several technologies they have used over the years.
>
>1) head is disposable "per cartridge change' (thermal head)
>2) head is separate and lasts about 8-10 cartridges or about a year to
>18 months (semi-permanent thermal)
>3) for life of printer, piezo electric, similar to Epson
>
>Most HP are in the first two categories. If you can help me to
>determine which type it is, I may be able to help you to get it going
>again. Some of the technique sin the Epson printers cross to other
>brands.
>
>
>Art
>
>David Rance wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 3 Mar 2008 Arthur Entlich wrote:
>>
>>> Ant wrote:
>>>
>>>> My father's old Epson Stylus Photo 785EPX printer (bought it in a
>>>>local retail store when it was new, so probably early 2000s?)
>>>>stopped printing blank ink earlier. When printing, we can hear the
>>>>printer printing but nothing shows for black color like texts. He
>>>>hasn't used this printer for almost a week when it last worked. We
>>>>even switched to a new unexpired new ink cartridge (007), but it
>>>>didn't make any differences.
>>
>>> I would suggest you email me privately. I help people with these
>>>kinds of problems all the time, and the printer likely can be salvaged.
>> I was following this with interest. I have an HP1120 which I bought
>>nine years ago. About three years ago the yellow nozzle started being
>>intermittent and finally gave up after a few days. This didn't matter
>>much as I used the printer for printing music which is mainly black.
>> A week or two back, without thinking, I printed a piece of music
>>with a title page graphic in colour. To begin with, it printed
>>correctly but then the yellow nozzle stopped even before it had got
>>through the first page.
>> When the problem first happened I changed colour cartridges and
>>tried cleaning, both to no avail and I gave up on it, deciding that,
>>when the black cartridge gave out, I would buy a new printer.
>> I have put the printer out for recycling but, having read this
>>thread, I am wondering if it might be possible to get it working
>>properly again. I don't want to trash a printer that could possibly
>>work for a bit longer. I know the printer is old and one can't get
>>proper drivers for the latest OSs (I'm using an HP1280 driver with
>>WIN XP in order to get things like booklet and manual duplex
>>printing), but it is still usable.
>> David
>>

--
David Rance writing from Caversham, Reading, UK

Tony

David
Those are both type 1 (as described by Art). So a new cartridge includes a new
printhead.
Tony

David Rance <.uk> wrote:
>Hello Art,
>
>Thanks for a quick response.
>
>I'm pretty sure that it's type 1 that you describe below. There's
>nothing in the docs to suggest I need to change the head, nor have I
>seen any heads for sale. If it's any help the cartridges used are 23 for
>colour and 45 for black.
>
>David
>
>On Tue, 4 Mar 2008 Arthur Entlich wrote:
>
>>I'm not well versed in the HP model numbers. Can you tell me if that
>>printer uses a ink cartridge with a disposable head incorporated into
>>it, or are the ink cartridge and heads purchased separately.
>>
>>Epson heads are piezo-electric and they are designed for very long use
>>without replacement (pretty much life of the printer). However, HP
>>has several technologies they have used over the years.
>>
>>1) head is disposable "per cartridge change' (thermal head)
>>2) head is separate and lasts about 8-10 cartridges or about a year to
>>18 months (semi-permanent thermal)
>>3) for life of printer, piezo electric, similar to Epson
>>
>>Most HP are in the first two categories. If you can help me to
>>determine which type it is, I may be able to help you to get it going
>>again. Some of the technique sin the Epson printers cross to other
>>brands.
>>
>>
>>Art
>>
>>David Rance wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 3 Mar 2008 Arthur Entlich wrote:
>>>
>>>> Ant wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> My father's old Epson Stylus Photo 785EPX printer (bought it in a
>>>>>local retail store when it was new, so probably early 2000s?)
>>>>>stopped printing blank ink earlier. When printing, we can hear the
>>>>>printer printing but nothing shows for black color like texts. He
>>>>>hasn't used this printer for almost a week when it last worked. We
>>>>>even switched to a new unexpired new ink cartridge (007), but it
>>>>>didn't make any differences.
>>>
>>>> I would suggest you email me privately. I help people with these
>>>>kinds of problems all the time, and the printer likely can be salvaged.
>>> I was following this with interest. I have an HP1120 which I bought
>>>nine years ago. About three years ago the yellow nozzle started being
>>>intermittent and finally gave up after a few days. This didn't matter
>>>much as I used the printer for printing music which is mainly black.
>>> A week or two back, without thinking, I printed a piece of music
>>>with a title page graphic in colour. To begin with, it printed
>>>correctly but then the yellow nozzle stopped even before it had got
>>>through the first page.
>>> When the problem first happened I changed colour cartridges and
>>>tried cleaning, both to no avail and I gave up on it, deciding that,
>>>when the black cartridge gave out, I would buy a new printer.
>>> I have put the printer out for recycling but, having read this
>>>thread, I am wondering if it might be possible to get it working
>>>properly again. I don't want to trash a printer that could possibly
>>>work for a bit longer. I know the printer is old and one can't get
>>>proper drivers for the latest OSs (I'm using an HP1280 driver with
>>>WIN XP in order to get things like booklet and manual duplex
>>>printing), but it is still usable.
>>> David
>>>
>
>--
>David Rance writing from Caversham, Reading, UK
>.uk

David Rance

On Tue, 4 Mar 2008 Tony wrote:

>Those are both type 1 (as described by Art). So a new cartridge includes a new
>printhead.

Thanks for the confirmation, Tony. I was pretty sure they were type 1.

David

--
David Rance writing from Caversham, Reading, UK

Arthur Entlich

Thanks David, those are the types of cartridges that use an integrated
disposable head as part of the cartridge. The good news is that it
allows you to replace the cartridge and get a new head if the head
should fail or clog. The bad news is that if it happens to two
cartridges in a row, it probably isn't the cartridge/head at fault,
although occasionally, especially with yellow inks, a residue can form
in some ink formulations from the cartridge sitting too long, or getting
too cold. I am not sure about HP inks for these particular printers and
if that is a known problem with the yellow ink or not. The fact that
you rarely used the color inks may indicate that the yellow ink settled
out or otherwise clogged the head.

How old would the color cartridge in the printer be? What we want to do
is isolate the cause. If it is a rarely used color cartridge there rae
two possibilities. One, is as I stated above, that the yellow ink
clogged up the head, but the other is that the cartridge may have run
out of yellow ink. All inkjet printers do cleaning cycles at differing
points, and the color cartridge can run out of ink even if not used at
all for printing if enough cleaning cycles occur. Also, in a 3 color
cartridge (Cyan, Magenta and Yellow) yellow tends to be the first to run
out because it is required for red, green, orange and yellow, all colors
which are used a lot by most color graphics and photos.

You can sometimes salvage a clogged HP cartridge by removing it and
placing it with the head part down on a paper towel or two soaked in
warm to hot water (not boiling, just hot) and pressing the head down and
letting go many times to create a bit of a vacuum like action. This may
dissolve clogged ink. You will definitely see colors on the paper towel
if the clog dissolves. You are looking for all three colors, cyan
(turquoise) Magenta (hot pink) and yellow.

If that doesn't do it, try doing the same process, but use room
temperature ammoniated window cleaner (Like Windex with Ammonida D)
instead of water. Make sure it has the ammonia in it as it works as a
solvent to the inks. Do not use household ammonia straight out of the
bottle, as it is too concentrated and may damage the head. Although the
window cleaner is better because it has other solvents in it similar to
the inkjet ink, if you have to use household ammonia, use NON-sudsy
version and dilute it about 1 part ammonia to 10 parts water for the
mix. You can let the cartridge sit on that for several hours if
required to dissolve the solidified ink.

However, if that doesn't fit it, and you know the cartridge had ink in
each color chamber, assuming that the problem is external to the
cartridge and head, the most likely cause is bad contact between the
cartridge contacts and the contacts in the printer. Check to make sure
the cartridge contacts points seem to be clean. If not gently rub them
with a lintfree paper towel or rag just enough to buff them so they look
clean. and try the cartridge again.

Also look at the contacts within the printer that mate with the
cartridge contacts. If they look contaminated with dirt or old ink,
gently buff them with a cotton swab and warm water. Some are spring
loaded so just be gentle not to bend or otherwise distort them.

Then try again to see if you have any success.

Some HP cartridges have time limited chips on them that expire and will
not allow you to print after a certain date. If this is the case, you
will probably get some type of notification on your computer screen, and
no colors will print. If you get some colors and not others, that's not
the cause.

Let me know how this goes for you. Also, Bob Headrick, who also posts
here is a great source for information on HP printers, since he has a
background in the HP printer division. He may be able to fill in some
things I've missed or mis-spoke about here, since HP printers aren't my
area of expertise.

Art


David Rance wrote:

> Hello Art,
>
> Thanks for a quick response.
>
> I'm pretty sure that it's type 1 that you describe below. There's
> nothing in the docs to suggest I need to change the head, nor have I
> seen any heads for sale. If it's any help the cartridges used are 23 for
> colour and 45 for black.
>
> David
>
> On Tue, 4 Mar 2008 Arthur Entlich wrote:
>
>> I'm not well versed in the HP model numbers. Can you tell me if that
>> printer uses a ink cartridge with a disposable head incorporated into
>> it, or are the ink cartridge and heads purchased separately.
>>
>> Epson heads are piezo-electric and they are designed for very long use
>> without replacement (pretty much life of the printer). However, HP
>> has several technologies they have used over the years.
>>
>> 1) head is disposable "per cartridge change' (thermal head)
>> 2) head is separate and lasts about 8-10 cartridges or about a year to
>> 18 months (semi-permanent thermal)
>> 3) for life of printer, piezo electric, similar to Epson
>>
>> Most HP are in the first two categories. If you can help me to
>> determine which type it is, I may be able to help you to get it going
>> again. Some of the technique sin the Epson printers cross to other
>> brands.
>>
>>
>> Art
>>
>> David Rance wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 3 Mar 2008 Arthur Entlich wrote:
>>>
>>>> Ant wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> My father's old Epson Stylus Photo 785EPX printer (bought it in a
>>>>> local retail store when it was new, so probably early 2000s?)
>>>>> stopped printing blank ink earlier. When printing, we can hear the
>>>>> printer printing but nothing shows for black color like texts. He
>>>>> hasn't used this printer for almost a week when it last worked.
>>>>> We even switched to a new unexpired new ink cartridge (007), but
>>>>> it didn't make any differences.
>>>
>>>
>>>> I would suggest you email me privately. I help people with these
>>>> kinds of problems all the time, and the printer likely can be salvaged.
>>>
>>> I was following this with interest. I have an HP1120 which I bought
>>> nine years ago. About three years ago the yellow nozzle started
>>> being intermittent and finally gave up after a few days. This didn't
>>> matter much as I used the printer for printing music which is mainly
>>> black.
>>> A week or two back, without thinking, I printed a piece of music
>>> with a title page graphic in colour. To begin with, it printed
>>> correctly but then the yellow nozzle stopped even before it had got
>>> through the first page.
>>> When the problem first happened I changed colour cartridges and
>>> tried cleaning, both to no avail and I gave up on it, deciding that,
>>> when the black cartridge gave out, I would buy a new printer.
>>> I have put the printer out for recycling but, having read this
>>> thread, I am wondering if it might be possible to get it working
>>> properly again. I don't want to trash a printer that could possibly
>>> work for a bit longer. I know the printer is old and one can't get
>>> proper drivers for the latest OSs (I'm using an HP1280 driver with
>>> WIN XP in order to get things like booklet and manual duplex
>>> printing), but it is still usable.
>>> David
>>>
>

David Rance

Hello Art,

Thanks for a most comprehensive reply. I'll let you know if I have any
success.

David

On Wed, 5 Mar 2008 Arthur Entlich wrote:

>Thanks David, those are the types of cartridges that use an integrated
>disposable head as part of the cartridge. The good news is that it
>allows you to replace the cartridge and get a new head if the head
>should fail or clog. The bad news is that if it happens to two
>cartridges in a row, it probably isn't the cartridge/head at fault,
>although occasionally, especially with yellow inks, a residue can form
>in some ink formulations from the cartridge sitting too long, or
>getting too cold. I am not sure about HP inks for these particular
>printers and if that is a known problem with the yellow ink or not.
>The fact that you rarely used the color inks may indicate that the
>yellow ink settled out or otherwise clogged the head.
>
>How old would the color cartridge in the printer be? What we want to
>do is isolate the cause. If it is a rarely used color cartridge there
>rae two possibilities. One, is as I stated above, that the yellow ink
>clogged up the head, but the other is that the cartridge may have run
>out of yellow ink. All inkjet printers do cleaning cycles at differing
>points, and the color cartridge can run out of ink even if not used at
>all for printing if enough cleaning cycles occur. Also, in a 3 color
>cartridge (Cyan, Magenta and Yellow) yellow tends to be the first to
>run out because it is required for red, green, orange and yellow, all
>colors which are used a lot by most color graphics and photos.
>
>You can sometimes salvage a clogged HP cartridge by removing it and
>placing it with the head part down on a paper towel or two soaked in
>warm to hot water (not boiling, just hot) and pressing the head down
>and letting go many times to create a bit of a vacuum like action.
>This may dissolve clogged ink. You will definitely see colors on the
>paper towel if the clog dissolves. You are looking for all three
>colors, cyan (turquoise) Magenta (hot pink) and yellow.
>
>If that doesn't do it, try doing the same process, but use room
>temperature ammoniated window cleaner (Like Windex with Ammonida D)
>instead of water. Make sure it has the ammonia in it as it works as a
>solvent to the inks. Do not use household ammonia straight out of the
>bottle, as it is too concentrated and may damage the head. Although
>the window cleaner is better because it has other solvents in it
>similar to the inkjet ink, if you have to use household ammonia, use
>NON-sudsy version and dilute it about 1 part ammonia to 10 parts water
>for the mix. You can let the cartridge sit on that for several hours if
>required to dissolve the solidified ink.
>
>However, if that doesn't fit it, and you know the cartridge had ink in
>each color chamber, assuming that the problem is external to the
>cartridge and head, the most likely cause is bad contact between the
>cartridge contacts and the contacts in the printer. Check to make sure
>the cartridge contacts points seem to be clean. If not gently rub them
>with a lintfree paper towel or rag just enough to buff them so they
>look clean. and try the cartridge again.
>
>Also look at the contacts within the printer that mate with the
>cartridge contacts. If they look contaminated with dirt or old ink,
>gently buff them with a cotton swab and warm water. Some are spring
>loaded so just be gentle not to bend or otherwise distort them.
>
>Then try again to see if you have any success.
>
>Some HP cartridges have time limited chips on them that expire and will
>not allow you to print after a certain date. If this is the case, you
>will probably get some type of notification on your computer screen,
>and no colors will print. If you get some colors and not others,
>that's not the cause.
>
>Let me know how this goes for you. Also, Bob Headrick, who also posts
>here is a great source for information on HP printers, since he has a
>background in the HP printer division. He may be able to fill in some
>things I've missed or mis-spoke about here, since HP printers aren't my
>area of expertise.
>
>Art
>
>
>David Rance wrote:
>
>> Hello Art,
>> Thanks for a quick response.
>> I'm pretty sure that it's type 1 that you describe below. There's
>>nothing in the docs to suggest I need to change the head, nor have I
>>seen any heads for sale. If it's any help the cartridges used are 23
>>for colour and 45 for black.
>> David
>> On Tue, 4 Mar 2008 Arthur Entlich wrote:
>>
>>> I'm not well versed in the HP model numbers. Can you tell me if
>>>that printer uses a ink cartridge with a disposable head incorporated
>>>it, or are the ink cartridge and heads purchased separately.
>>>
>>> Epson heads are piezo-electric and they are designed for very long
>>>use without replacement (pretty much life of the printer). However,
>>>HP has several technologies they have used over the years.
>>>
>>> 1) head is disposable "per cartridge change' (thermal head)
>>> 2) head is separate and lasts about 8-10 cartridges or about a year
>>>to 18 months (semi-permanent thermal)
>>> 3) for life of printer, piezo electric, similar to Epson
>>>
>>> Most HP are in the first two categories. If you can help me to
>>>determine which type it is, I may be able to help you to get it going
>>>again. Some of the technique sin the Epson printers cross to other brands.
>>>
>>>
>>> Art
>>>
>>> David Rance wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 3 Mar 2008 Arthur Entlich wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Ant wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> My father's old Epson Stylus Photo 785EPX printer (bought it in
>>>>>>a local retail store when it was new, so probably early 2000s?)
>>>>>>stopped printing blank ink earlier. When printing, we can hear
>>>>>>the printer printing but nothing shows for black color like
>>>>>>texts. He hasn't used this printer for almost a week when it
>>>>>>last worked. We even switched to a new unexpired new ink
>>>>>>cartridge (007), but it didn't make any differences.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I would suggest you email me privately. I help people with these
>>>>>kinds of problems all the time, and the printer likely can be salvaged.
>>>>
>>>> I was following this with interest. I have an HP1120 which I
>>>>bought nine years ago. About three years ago the yellow nozzle
>>>>started being intermittent and finally gave up after a few days.
>>>>This didn't matter much as I used the printer for printing music
>>>>which is mainly black.
>>>> A week or two back, without thinking, I printed a piece of music
>>>>with a title page graphic in colour. To begin with, it printed
>>>>correctly but then the yellow nozzle stopped even before it had got
>>>>the first page.
>>>> When the problem first happened I changed colour cartridges and
>>>>tried cleaning, both to no avail and I gave up on it, deciding
>>>>that, when the black cartridge gave out, I would buy a new printer.
>>>> I have put the printer out for recycling but, having read this
>>>>thread, I am wondering if it might be possible to get it working
>>>>properly again. I don't want to trash a printer that could possibly
>>>>work for a bit longer. I know the printer is old and one can't get
>>>>proper drivers for the latest OSs (I'm using an HP1280 driver with
>>>>get things like booklet and manual duplex printing), but it is
>>>>still usable.
>>>> David
>>>>
>>

--
David Rance writing from Caversham, Reading, UK

TJ

Arthur Entlich wrote:
> Measekite is an TROLL who knows perfectly well that I write my email in
> the manner I do to reduce spam to that address, since it just slows down
> my ability to answer questions and requests. By posting it in its normal
> format it can get picked up by spammers using bots which search on
> places like Usenet and Yahoo. He posts my email in its usable form
> regularly to try to have my email box receive extra email because he is
> jealous and hostile toward people who actually give of their time
> helping people rather than providing false, misleading information.
>
> Some people exist to try to sabotage people who try to do good deeds. We
> all know some people like this. Measekite has been sanctioned and
> kicked off numerous moderated news groups and lists, for misinformation,
> altering people's quotes, foul and insulting language, but unfortunately
> this newsgroup doesn't have a moderator, so we have to put up with this
> person who acts like a pea-brained infant, whose self-esteem is so low
> he needs to create problems for others because otherwise he would be
> completely ignored.
>
> As any psychologist can tell you, everyone prefers to be praised than be
> punished, but they'd rather be punished than ignored. Measekite has yet
> to figure out how to provide any real service here to be praised for, so
> he prefers to be noticed by creating trouble for those of us who are
> trying to provide a service.
>
> Luckily, no matter what email address he uses, (and he tends to change
> them regularly, and sometimes posts under several at once) filtering him
> out is always just a couple of mouse clicks away.
>
> My suggestion is to just block his postings from this newsgroup. The
> vast majority of regular users have all his addresses blocked. It not
> only reduces the number of worthless posts to read, but you won't even
> notice he is here, unless someone quotes him, which you'll rapidly learn
> is even a bigger waste of bandwidth.
>
> Art
>
>
Don't hold back, Art. Tell us how you REALLY feel. ;-)

TJ

Arthur Entlich

Most people on these groups want to help others and/or to learn from
others. It is what I so appreciate about the internet. People give
millions of hours of volunteer time and energy, institutions and
corporations spend millions to create a social and technical network
that is useful, informative, supportive and valuable.

I am amazed on a daily basis on how giving people, institutions and
corporations are with the internet. It has become a repository for the
world's knowledge. There is not a day that goes by that I don't access
the internet to locate information I need or desire. It saves me hours
of time I might otherwise have to spend in libraries or trying to
otherwise locate information. It has allowed for quality knowledge to be
at my fingertips and I, for one, both appreciate it and want to be part
of the give and take that makes this work.

Unfortunately, at almost every level, there are people sitting in wait
to sabotage this process.

People hacking websites, people creating viruses and worms, and breaking
security and trust, people committing crimes stealing information,
banking and credit card numbers, or just taking advantage of people's
ignorance to exploit them. Then there are others who, for whatever
reason, spread false information, mess up Wikipedia pages for their own
gains or self-aggrandizement. Corporations and institutions that
publish misleading information to sell products or harm competitors,
rumour mongers, etc.

I'm not naive enough to think all the world is benign and wonderful, and
it gives me great satisfaction to know that overall, the internet shows
that there is more desire towards the greater good than stupidity and
evil, but that doesn't mean the later isn't out their trying to prey on
on the unsuspecting.

To me, Measekite is an example of that sad minority who tries to mess
things up for the majority. It is not only annoying, it is potentially
dangerous. He spreads inaccurate information, which he is fully aware
is such. He does harm for no apparent benefit, even to himself. To me
that's a pathological condition.

I know I can't protect the internet, or usenet, or even these printer
groups. We get the occasional problem poster who usually realizes after
a short period that he/she isn't appreciated or going to be engaged, so
they leave. Most of them are just bothers, foul mouthed, or bigots, or
whatever, but the difference here is Measkite is persistent and
malicious. He provided misinformation that is a least potentially costly
to others if not possibly hazardous. He messes up communications by
falsifying quotes or changing attributions. The sad thing about him is
that he actually has some valuable knowledge which on very rare
occasions he has shared, but it seems like that doesn't get him enough
attention to be happy with himself.

I have no idea if he plagues other groups with similar behaviour or not.
I hope not. Most of us have come to ignore him, or filter his posts
out. Unfortunately people who come here for help and information who
don't know better may walk away with false information as a result of
his postings and that does harm.

Anyway, I've spend about a years supply of the time I am willing to
devote to him in the last few days, so I've stated my case.

So, yes, I'm not holding back, because he and people with similar
behavour create completely unnecessary problems which just tarnishes the
otherwise valuable resources the internet offers.

Art


TJ wrote:
> Arthur Entlich wrote:
>
>> Measekite is an TROLL who knows perfectly well that I write my email
>> in the manner I do to reduce spam to that address, since it just slows
>> down my ability to answer questions and requests. By posting it in its
>> normal format it can get picked up by spammers using bots which search
>> on places like Usenet and Yahoo. He posts my email in its usable form
>> regularly to try to have my email box receive extra email because he
>> is jealous and hostile toward people who actually give of their time
>> helping people rather than providing false, misleading information.
>>
>> Some people exist to try to sabotage people who try to do good deeds.
>> We all know some people like this. Measekite has been sanctioned and
>> kicked off numerous moderated news groups and lists, for
>> misinformation, altering people's quotes, foul and insulting language,
>> but unfortunately this newsgroup doesn't have a moderator, so we have
>> to put up with this person who acts like a pea-brained infant, whose
>> self-esteem is so low he needs to create problems for others because
>> otherwise he would be completely ignored.
>>
>> As any psychologist can tell you, everyone prefers to be praised than
>> be punished, but they'd rather be punished than ignored. Measekite
>> has yet to figure out how to provide any real service here to be
>> praised for, so he prefers to be noticed by creating trouble for those
>> of us who are trying to provide a service.
>>
>> Luckily, no matter what email address he uses, (and he tends to change
>> them regularly, and sometimes posts under several at once) filtering
>> him out is always just a couple of mouse clicks away.
>>
>> My suggestion is to just block his postings from this newsgroup. The
>> vast majority of regular users have all his addresses blocked. It not
>> only reduces the number of worthless posts to read, but you won't even
>> notice he is here, unless someone quotes him, which you'll rapidly
>> learn is even a bigger waste of bandwidth.
>>
>> Art
>>
>>
> Don't hold back, Art. Tell us how you REALLY feel. ;-)
>
> TJ

measekite

Arthur Entlich wrote:
> Most people on these groups want to help others and/or to learn from
> others. It is what I so appreciate about the internet. People give
> millions of hours of volunteer time and energy, institutions and
> corporations spend millions to create a social and technical network
> that is useful, informative, supportive and valuable.
>
> I am amazed on a daily basis on how giving people, institutions and
> corporations are with the internet. It has become a repository for
> the world's knowledge. There is not a day that goes by that I don't
> access the internet to locate information I need or desire. It saves
> me hours of time I might otherwise have to spend in libraries or
> trying to otherwise locate information. It has allowed for quality
> knowledge to be at my fingertips and I, for one, both appreciate it
> and want to be part of the give and take that makes this work.
>
> Unfortunately, at almost every level, there are people sitting in wait
> to sabotage this process.
>
> People hacking websites, people creating viruses and worms, and
> breaking security and trust, people committing crimes stealing
> information, banking and credit card numbers, or just taking advantage
> of people's ignorance to exploit them. Then there are others who, for
> whatever reason, spread false information, mess up Wikipedia pages for
> their own gains or self-aggrandizement. Corporations and institutions
> that publish misleading information to sell products or harm
> competitors, rumour mongers, etc.
>
> I'm not naive enough to think all the world is benign and wonderful,
> and it gives me great satisfaction to know that overall, the internet
> shows that there is more desire towards the greater good than
> stupidity and evil, but that doesn't mean the later isn't out their
> trying to prey on
> on the unsuspecting.
>
> To me, Measekite is an example of that sad minority who tries to mess
> things up for the majority. It is not only annoying, it is
> potentially dangerous. He spreads inaccurate information, which he is
> fully aware is such. He does harm for no apparent benefit, even to
> himself. To me that's a pathological condition.
Hey holier than thou

If you do not like the opinions that I believe in that is too bad. You
can spread all of the information I do not believe and I will spread all
of the information that I do believe. If you do not like it then do not
read it. Others believe it. As a matter of fact I would guess that
about 80% or more of the printer owners who purchased HP, Canon or Epson
printers are using OEM ink. They may not like the price but I do not
either. But they want the best results that last the longest and do not
clog their printer as much and if they did not believe it they would not
buy OEM ink.

So I do not appreciate your crap.
>
> I know I can't protect the internet, or usenet, or even these printer
> groups. We get the occasional problem poster who usually realizes
> after a short period that he/she isn't appreciated or going to be
> engaged, so they leave.
You are talking about the people who want to joint your club or you
holier then thou click. Well that is not me. You have driven off some
who believe as I but others stay. If you do not like it then you can go
else where.
> Most of them are just bothers, foul mouthed, or bigots, or whatever,
> but the difference here is Measkite is persistent and malicious. He
> provided misinformation that is a least potentially costly to others
> if not possibly hazardous.
So it is costly and hazardous to follow the recommendations provided
with the printer that is called a manual. What a joke.
> He messes up communications by falsifying quotes or changing
> attributions. The sad thing about him is that he actually has some
> valuable knowledge which on very rare occasions he has shared, but it
> seems like that doesn't get him enough attention to be happy with
> himself.

Some times I think you are a liar. In some posts you claim you filtered
my posts out and never see them and now you appear to know enough about
them to comment on them. WOWEE
>
> I have no idea if he plagues other groups with similar behaviour or
> not. I hope not. Most of us have come to ignore him,
So what is your problem. You do not seem to ignore him.
> or filter his posts out.
You do not seem to do that either
> Unfortunately people who come here for help and information who don't
> know better may walk away with false information as a result of his
> postings and that does harm.
It is true. When you buy Canon or Epson ink you know what you are
getting and it is a real brand. The after marketeers buy from a source
that they will not disclose and will never tell you when they change
suppliers so you are never assured what you are getting. On top of that
some have multiple websites selling the same stuff under different names
and others are selling the same thing under different names. So when a
person has a problem with one generic name some will go to another
source and get the same thing under a different name. You do not have
that problem with Canon or Epson. And yes the price is too high.
>
> Anyway, I've spend about a years supply of the time I am willing to
> devote to him in the last few days, so I've stated my case.
>
> So, yes, I'm not holding back, because he and people with similar
> behavour create completely unnecessary problems which just tarnishes
> the otherwise valuable resources the internet offers.
I think you are tarnishing what I have to say.
>
> Art
>
>
> TJ wrote:
>> Arthur Entlich wrote:
>>
>>> Measekite is an TROLL who knows perfectly well that I write my email
>>> in the manner I do to reduce spam to that address, since it just
>>> slows down my ability to answer questions and requests. By posting
>>> it in its normal format it can get picked up by spammers using bots
>>> which search on places like Usenet and Yahoo. He posts my email in
>>> its usable form regularly to try to have my email box receive extra
>>> email because he is jealous and hostile toward people who actually
>>> give of their time helping people rather than providing false,
>>> misleading information.
>>>
>>> Some people exist to try to sabotage people who try to do good
>>> deeds. We all know some people like this. Measekite has been
>>> sanctioned and kicked off numerous moderated news groups and lists,
>>> for misinformation, altering people's quotes, foul and insulting
>>> language, but unfortunately this newsgroup doesn't have a moderator,
>>> so we have to put up with this person who acts like a pea-brained
>>> infant, whose self-esteem is so low he needs to create problems for
>>> others because otherwise he would be completely ignored.
>>>
>>> As any psychologist can tell you, everyone prefers to be praised
>>> than be punished, but they'd rather be punished than ignored.
>>> Measekite has yet to figure out how to provide any real service here
>>> to be praised for, so he prefers to be noticed by creating trouble
>>> for those of us who are trying to provide a service.
>>>
>>> Luckily, no matter what email address he uses, (and he tends to
>>> change them regularly, and sometimes posts under several at once)
>>> filtering him out is always just a couple of mouse clicks away.
>>>
>>> My suggestion is to just block his postings from this newsgroup.
>>> The vast majority of regular users have all his addresses blocked.
>>> It not only reduces the number of worthless posts to read, but you
>>> won't even notice he is here, unless someone quotes him, which
>>> you'll rapidly learn is even a bigger waste of bandwidth.
>>>
>>> Art
>>>
>>>
>> Don't hold back, Art. Tell us how you REALLY feel. ;-)
>>
>> TJ

Jack

Everyone can spread all the crap they want to. However, this is a group
established to discuss Epson Printers, it's not here to flame other
users by starting arguments and even worse, responding to these people.
Should you really desire to do this, please take it to alt.crap or
alt.girlyboyflamers newsgroups. Thank you.

"measekite" <> wrote in message
news:yjnAj.20001$.prodigy.ne t...
>
>
> Arthur Entlich wrote:
>> Most people on these groups want to help others and/or to learn from
>> others. It is what I so appreciate about the internet. People give
>> millions of hours of volunteer time and energy, institutions and
>> corporations spend millions to create a social and technical network
>> that is useful, informative, supportive and valuable.
>>
>> I am amazed on a daily basis on how giving people, institutions and
>> corporations are with the internet. It has become a repository for
>> the world's knowledge. There is not a day that goes by that I don't
>> access the internet to locate information I need or desire. It saves
>> me hours of time I might otherwise have to spend in libraries or
>> trying to otherwise locate information. It has allowed for quality
>> knowledge to be at my fingertips and I, for one, both appreciate it
>> and want to be part of the give and take that makes this work.
>>
>> Unfortunately, at almost every level, there are people sitting in
>> wait to sabotage this process.
>>
>> People hacking websites, people creating viruses and worms, and
>> breaking security and trust, people committing crimes stealing
>> information, banking and credit card numbers, or just taking
>> advantage of people's ignorance to exploit them. Then there are
>> others who, for whatever reason, spread false information, mess up
>> Wikipedia pages for their own gains or self-aggrandizement.
>> Corporations and institutions that publish misleading information to
>> sell products or harm competitors, rumour mongers, etc.
>>
>> I'm not naive enough to think all the world is benign and wonderful,
>> and it gives me great satisfaction to know that overall, the internet
>> shows that there is more desire towards the greater good than
>> stupidity and evil, but that doesn't mean the later isn't out their
>> trying to prey on
>> on the unsuspecting.
>>
>> To me, Measekite is an example of that sad minority who tries to mess
>> things up for the majority. It is not only annoying, it is
>> potentially dangerous. He spreads inaccurate information, which he
>> is fully aware is such. He does harm for no apparent benefit, even to
>> himself. To me that's a pathological condition.
> Hey holier than thou
>
> If you do not like the opinions that I believe in that is too bad.
> You can spread all of the information I do not believe and I will
> spread all of the information that I do believe. If you do not like
> it then do not read it. Others believe it. As a matter of fact I
> would guess that about 80% or more of the printer owners who purchased
> HP, Canon or Epson printers are using OEM ink. They may not like the
> price but I do not either. But they want the best results that last
> the longest and do not clog their printer as much and if they did not
> believe it they would not buy OEM ink.
>
> So I do not appreciate your crap.
>>
>> I know I can't protect the internet, or usenet, or even these printer
>> groups. We get the occasional problem poster who usually realizes
>> after a short period that he/she isn't appreciated or going to be
>> engaged, so they leave.
> You are talking about the people who want to joint your club or you
> holier then thou click. Well that is not me. You have driven off
> some who believe as I but others stay. If you do not like it then you
> can go else where.
>> Most of them are just bothers, foul mouthed, or bigots, or whatever,
>> but the difference here is Measkite is persistent and malicious. He
>> provided misinformation that is a least potentially costly to others
>> if not possibly hazardous.
> So it is costly and hazardous to follow the recommendations provided
> with the printer that is called a manual. What a joke.
>> He messes up communications by falsifying quotes or changing
>> attributions. The sad thing about him is that he actually has some
>> valuable knowledge which on very rare occasions he has shared, but it
>> seems like that doesn't get him enough attention to be happy with
>> himself.
>
> Some times I think you are a liar. In some posts you claim you
> filtered my posts out and never see them and now you appear to know
> enough about them to comment on them. WOWEE
>>
>> I have no idea if he plagues other groups with similar behaviour or
>> not. I hope not. Most of us have come to ignore him,
> So what is your problem. You do not seem to ignore him.
>> or filter his posts out.
> You do not seem to do that either
>> Unfortunately people who come here for help and information who don't
>> know better may walk away with false information as a result of his
>> postings and that does harm.
> It is true. When you buy Canon or Epson ink you know what you are
> getting and it is a real brand. The after marketeers buy from a
> source that they will not disclose and will never tell you when they
> change suppliers so you are never assured what you are getting. On
> top of that some have multiple websites selling the same stuff under
> different names and others are selling the same thing under different
> names. So when a person has a problem with one generic name some will
> go to another source and get the same thing under a different name.
> You do not have that problem with Canon or Epson. And yes the price
> is too high.
>>
>> Anyway, I've spend about a years supply of the time I am willing to
>> devote to him in the last few days, so I've stated my case.
>>
>> So, yes, I'm not holding back, because he and people with similar
>> behavour create completely unnecessary problems which just tarnishes
>> the otherwise valuable resources the internet offers.
> I think you are tarnishing what I have to say.
>>
>> Art
>>
>>
>> TJ wrote:
>>> Arthur Entlich wrote:
>>>
>>>> Measekite is an TROLL who knows perfectly well that I write my
>>>> email in the manner I do to reduce spam to that address, since it
>>>> just slows down my ability to answer questions and requests. By
>>>> posting it in its normal format it can get picked up by spammers
>>>> using bots which search on places like Usenet and Yahoo. He posts
>>>> my email in its usable form regularly to try to have my email box
>>>> receive extra email because he is jealous and hostile toward people
>>>> who actually give of their time helping people rather than
>>>> providing false, misleading information.
>>>>
>>>> Some people exist to try to sabotage people who try to do good
>>>> deeds. We all know some people like this. Measekite has been
>>>> sanctioned and kicked off numerous moderated news groups and lists,
>>>> for misinformation, altering people's quotes, foul and insulting
>>>> language, but unfortunately this newsgroup doesn't have a
>>>> moderator, so we have to put up with this person who acts like a
>>>> pea-brained infant, whose self-esteem is so low he needs to create
>>>> problems for others because otherwise he would be completely
>>>> ignored.
>>>>
>>>> As any psychologist can tell you, everyone prefers to be praised
>>>> than be punished, but they'd rather be punished than ignored.
>>>> Measekite has yet to figure out how to provide any real service
>>>> here to be praised for, so he prefers to be noticed by creating
>>>> trouble for those of us who are trying to provide a service.
>>>>
>>>> Luckily, no matter what email address he uses, (and he tends to
>>>> change them regularly, and sometimes posts under several at once)
>>>> filtering him out is always just a couple of mouse clicks away.
>>>>
>>>> My suggestion is to just block his postings from this newsgroup.
>>>> The vast majority of regular users have all his addresses blocked.
>>>> It not only reduces the number of worthless posts to read, but you
>>>> won't even notice he is here, unless someone quotes him, which
>>>> you'll rapidly learn is even a bigger waste of bandwidth.
>>>>
>>>> Art
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Don't hold back, Art. Tell us how you REALLY feel. ;-)
>>>
>>> TJ

Arthur Entlich

Note to Measekite:

Your assorted emails are, and have been filtered at my end for years and
I never see them that way unless you change email addresses, and then I
add that to my list as soon as I become ware of it.

Unfortunately, your emails sometimes get quoted, and then I see parts or
all of them. Also, people write me in private email to either complain
about your posts or ask for clarification on misleading statements you
have made, which I try to correct.

So, yes, you are filtered out of my email, and yes, unfortunately, I
occasionally am stuck having to read your drivel and respond to it when
others ask me to clarify things that you have muddied up.

Art