Help moving ADSL Socket.

CK

Hi,

I'm trying to move my ADSL NTE5 socket from my study to another room (as my
study is about to become a babies bedroom!).

The ADSL socket is the original BT NTE5 socket and the cable to the socket
runs down from the loft. On the advice of the comms department at work, I
ran some 2 pair cable from my new study up the wall (now nicely plastered
over and inaccessible) into the loft. The plan was to cut the original cable
and move the NTE5 socket to my new study and connect to the original cable
in the loft.

All has gone to plan until I opened the NTE5 socket and noticed 5 wires are
used!!! Am I stuffed or is there another way of wiring an ADSL connection?

Any help greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

TF.

Peter Crosland

> I'm trying to move my ADSL NTE5 socket from my study to another room
> (as my study is about to become a babies bedroom!).
>
> The ADSL socket is the original BT NTE5 socket and the cable to the
> socket runs down from the loft. On the advice of the comms department
> at work, I ran some 2 pair cable from my new study up the wall (now
> nicely plastered over and inaccessible) into the loft. The plan was
> to cut the original cable and move the NTE5 socket to my new study
> and connect to the original cable in the loft.
>
> All has gone to plan until I opened the NTE5 socket and noticed 5
> wires are used!!! Am I stuffed or is there another way of wiring an
> ADSL connection?
> Any help greatly appreciated.

You are not allowed to move the Master NTE5 socket. BT have to do it.

Peter Crosland

CK

"Peter Crosland" <.uk> wrote in message
news:462de9eb$0$8721$.net...
>> I'm trying to move my ADSL NTE5 socket from my study to another room
>> (as my study is about to become a babies bedroom!).
>>
>> The ADSL socket is the original BT NTE5 socket and the cable to the
>> socket runs down from the loft. On the advice of the comms department
>> at work, I ran some 2 pair cable from my new study up the wall (now
>> nicely plastered over and inaccessible) into the loft. The plan was
>> to cut the original cable and move the NTE5 socket to my new study
>> and connect to the original cable in the loft.
>>
>> All has gone to plan until I opened the NTE5 socket and noticed 5
>> wires are used!!! Am I stuffed or is there another way of wiring an
>> ADSL connection?
>> Any help greatly appreciated.
>
> You are not allowed to move the Master NTE5 socket. BT have to do it.
>
> Peter Crosland
>
>
>

Thanks for the reply. Excuse my ignorance if I'm completely wrong but should
the master socket be the point at which BT's wiring end and mine begins? The
adsl socket I want to move appears to be connected to the socket in another
bedroom (that itself appears to connect to what I thought was the master
socket downstairs).

It's a fairly new house (7 years) but I remember when BT installed the ADSL
socket they had some problems with the wiring.

TF.

JW

CK wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I'm trying to move my ADSL NTE5 socket from my study to another room (as my
> study is about to become a babies bedroom!).
>
> The ADSL socket is the original BT NTE5 socket and the cable to the socket
> runs down from the loft. On the advice of the comms department at work, I
> ran some 2 pair cable from my new study up the wall (now nicely plastered
> over and inaccessible) into the loft. The plan was to cut the original cable
> and move the NTE5 socket to my new study and connect to the original cable
> in the loft.
>
> All has gone to plan until I opened the NTE5 socket and noticed 5 wires are
> used!!! Am I stuffed or is there another way of wiring an ADSL connection?
>

Are these wires connected to the faceplate IDC 6-way
connectors or to the 3 ***** terminals? Assuming it's the
former, this is wiring to (an)other extension socket(s), and
it can be disconnected if the socket(s) is/are no longer in use.

I assume you're aware that your BT contract expressly
forbids a customer from moving the Master Socket. If you
did call in BT to shift the socket, I'm sure they'd be happy
to use your new cable with their own junction box or crimp
terminals. They would connect their (usually) orange/white
pair to the blue/white pair on the new cable.

An alternative D-i-Y solution would be to locate the wiring
to the existing extension and link that to your new cable,
installing a secondary socket in the new study.

Congrats on the new arrival.

Peter Crosland

CK wrote:
> "Peter Crosland" <.uk> wrote in message
> news:462de9eb$0$8721$.net...
>>> I'm trying to move my ADSL NTE5 socket from my study to another room
>>> (as my study is about to become a babies bedroom!).
>>>
>>> The ADSL socket is the original BT NTE5 socket and the cable to the
>>> socket runs down from the loft. On the advice of the comms
>>> department at work, I ran some 2 pair cable from my new study up
>>> the wall (now nicely plastered over and inaccessible) into the
>>> loft. The plan was to cut the original cable and move the NTE5
>>> socket to my new study and connect to the original cable in the
>>> loft. All has gone to plan until I opened the NTE5 socket and noticed 5
>>> wires are used!!! Am I stuffed or is there another way of wiring an
>>> ADSL connection?
>>> Any help greatly appreciated.
>>
>> You are not allowed to move the Master NTE5 socket. BT have to do it.
>>
>> Peter Crosland
>>
>>
>>
>
> Thanks for the reply. Excuse my ignorance if I'm completely wrong but
> should the master socket be the point at which BT's wiring end and
> mine begins? The adsl socket I want to move appears to be connected
> to the socket in another bedroom (that itself appears to connect to
> what I thought was the master socket downstairs).
>
> It's a fairly new house (7 years) but I remember when BT installed
> the ADSL socket they had some problems with the wiring.

The NTE5 socket, assuming it has a BT logo on it IS the master socket. Of
course somebody may have fitted a non BT NTE5 socket before you bought the
house.

Peter Crosland

CK

"Peter Crosland" <.uk> wrote in message
news:462e00c7$0$8715$.net...
> CK wrote:
>> "Peter Crosland" <.uk> wrote in message
>> news:462de9eb$0$8721$.net...
>>>> I'm trying to move my ADSL NTE5 socket from my study to another room
>>>> (as my study is about to become a babies bedroom!).
>>>>
>>>> The ADSL socket is the original BT NTE5 socket and the cable to the
>>>> socket runs down from the loft. On the advice of the comms
>>>> department at work, I ran some 2 pair cable from my new study up
>>>> the wall (now nicely plastered over and inaccessible) into the
>>>> loft. The plan was to cut the original cable and move the NTE5
>>>> socket to my new study and connect to the original cable in the
>>>> loft. All has gone to plan until I opened the NTE5 socket and noticed 5
>>>> wires are used!!! Am I stuffed or is there another way of wiring an
>>>> ADSL connection?
>>>> Any help greatly appreciated.
>>>
>>> You are not allowed to move the Master NTE5 socket. BT have to do it.
>>>
>>> Peter Crosland
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Thanks for the reply. Excuse my ignorance if I'm completely wrong but
>> should the master socket be the point at which BT's wiring end and
>> mine begins? The adsl socket I want to move appears to be connected
>> to the socket in another bedroom (that itself appears to connect to
>> what I thought was the master socket downstairs).
>>
>> It's a fairly new house (7 years) but I remember when BT installed
>> the ADSL socket they had some problems with the wiring.
>
> The NTE5 socket, assuming it has a BT logo on it IS the master socket. Of
> course somebody may have fitted a non BT NTE5 socket before you bought the
> house.
>
> Peter Crosland
>
>
>

Hi,

I've owned the house from new, the socket is a BT NTE5 and was installed by
BT when I ordered ADSL back in 2001.

Rgds,

TF.

Peter Crosland

>>> Thanks for the reply. Excuse my ignorance if I'm completely wrong
>>> but should the master socket be the point at which BT's wiring end
>>> and mine begins? The adsl socket I want to move appears to be
>>> connected to the socket in another bedroom (that itself appears to
>>> connect to what I thought was the master socket downstairs).
>>>
>>> It's a fairly new house (7 years) but I remember when BT installed
>>> the ADSL socket they had some problems with the wiring.
>>
>> The NTE5 socket, assuming it has a BT logo on it IS the master
>> socket. Of course somebody may have fitted a non BT NTE5 socket
>> before you bought the house.
>>
>> Peter Crosland
>>
>>
>>
>
> Hi,
>
> I've owned the house from new, the socket is a BT NTE5 and was
> installed by BT when I ordered ADSL back in 2001.

So that IS the master socket so you cannot move it yourself. There are
various options to solve your problem. The easiest and most expensive is to
get BT to do it for you. Take a look here for a more practical and cheaper
alternative.





Peter Crosland

Roger Mills

In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
CK <> wrote:

>>
>>
>
> Thanks for the reply. Excuse my ignorance if I'm completely wrong but
> should the master socket be the point at which BT's wiring end and
> mine begins? The adsl socket I want to move appears to be connected
> to the socket in another bedroom (that itself appears to connect to
> what I thought was the master socket downstairs).
>
> It's a fairly new house (7 years) but I remember when BT installed
> the ADSL socket they had some problems with the wiring.
>
> TF.

I bet what will have happened is this: Your original master socket will have
been downstairs - and will have had extension wiring connected to the back
of its faceplate. When BT installed ADSL, they moved the master socket
upstairs - replacing the original one downstairs with what is effectively a
junction box. There will be 5 wires between the two boxes. Two will carry
the incoming pair to the new master. Three will carry the filtered extension
wiring back down to the 'junction box' - where it connects to the original
extension wiring. [Can't quite explain the connection via another bedroom -
but no matter].

If this is the case, you can't officially move the master socket. What you
*can* do is to replace BT's filtered faceplate with one of the lastest ones
from Solwise or Clarity, which have both filtered and unfiltered IDC
connectors on the back. You can then use a single pair cable to run an
unfiltered extension (via the attic if that's where your new cable goes) to
your new study, and terminate it with an RJ11 socket into which to plug your
ADSL kit.
--
Cheers,
Roger
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CK

"Roger Mills" <> wrote in message
news:...
> In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
> CK <> wrote:
>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Thanks for the reply. Excuse my ignorance if I'm completely wrong but
>> should the master socket be the point at which BT's wiring end and
>> mine begins? The adsl socket I want to move appears to be connected
>> to the socket in another bedroom (that itself appears to connect to
>> what I thought was the master socket downstairs).
>>
>> It's a fairly new house (7 years) but I remember when BT installed
>> the ADSL socket they had some problems with the wiring.
>>
>> TF.
>
> I bet what will have happened is this: Your original master socket will
> have been downstairs - and will have had extension wiring connected to the
> back of its faceplate. When BT installed ADSL, they moved the master
> socket upstairs - replacing the original one downstairs with what is
> effectively a junction box. There will be 5 wires between the two boxes.
> Two will carry the incoming pair to the new master. Three will carry the
> filtered extension wiring back down to the 'junction box' - where it
> connects to the original extension wiring. [Can't quite explain the
> connection via another bedroom - but no matter].
>
> If this is the case, you can't officially move the master socket. What you
> *can* do is to replace BT's filtered faceplate with one of the lastest
> ones from Solwise or Clarity, which have both filtered and unfiltered IDC
> connectors on the back. You can then use a single pair cable to run an
> unfiltered extension (via the attic if that's where your new cable goes)
> to your new study, and terminate it with an RJ11 socket into which to plug
> your ADSL kit.
> --
> Cheers,
> Roger
> ______
> Email address maintained for newsgroup use only, and not regularly
> monitored.. Messages sent to it may not be read for several weeks.
> PLEASE REPLY TO NEWSGROUP!
>

Hi Roger,

It appears your right. I've checked downstairs and there is another master
socket there. I'll take your advice and buy another faceplate and hopfully
be able to feed the cable down the wall cavity!
Rgds,

TF

CK

"JW" <> wrote in message
news:...
> CK wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I'm trying to move my ADSL NTE5 socket from my study to another room (as
>> my study is about to become a babies bedroom!).
>>
>> The ADSL socket is the original BT NTE5 socket and the cable to the
>> socket runs down from the loft. On the advice of the comms department at
>> work, I ran some 2 pair cable from my new study up the wall (now nicely
>> plastered over and inaccessible) into the loft. The plan was to cut the
>> original cable and move the NTE5 socket to my new study and connect to
>> the original cable in the loft.
>>
>> All has gone to plan until I opened the NTE5 socket and noticed 5 wires
>> are used!!! Am I stuffed or is there another way of wiring an ADSL
>> connection?
>>
>
> Are these wires connected to the faceplate IDC 6-way connectors or to the
> 3 ***** terminals? Assuming it's the former, this is wiring to (an)other
> extension socket(s), and it can be disconnected if the socket(s) is/are no
> longer in use.
>
> I assume you're aware that your BT contract expressly forbids a customer
> from moving the Master Socket. If you did call in BT to shift the socket,
> I'm sure they'd be happy to use your new cable with their own junction box
> or crimp terminals. They would connect their (usually) orange/white pair
> to the blue/white pair on the new cable.
>
> An alternative D-i-Y solution would be to locate the wiring to the
> existing extension and link that to your new cable, installing a secondary
> socket in the new study.
>
> Congrats on the new arrival.


Thanks chaps for all the help. I've just ordered the recommended items from
Clarity (anybody know how quick they ship? I'd like to do the install at the
weekend) and thrown some cat 5e cable in the loft and between the sockets.

One more simple question - Is it ok to add filtered extentions in different
directions from the master socket? What I'm trying to say is in addition to
the existing extension wire from the back of the socket, can I punch in an
additional extension wire into the same socket? Hope that makes sense.

Thanks,

TF.