googlenospam@hotmail.co.uk

Had a firm ring me yesterday offering me a cheaper service than BT. No
surprise there but after a 10 minutes sales pitch and being passed
from Call Handler to Sales Manager to Account Manager the question I
knew was coming was popped to me:
"Can we have your bank details for the direct debit please sir?"
I hung up instead of giving them bogus details and playing their own
game. The number was Withheld on my display. Does anyone know if this
number can be traced? I see no point involving Trading Standards or
the Police if the number is untraceable and BT's 150 are no help
anyway

Busby

Peter Thomas

On Wed, 18 Jul 2007 02:16:42 -0700, "googlenospam@hotmail.co.uk"
<googlenospam@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:

>Had a firm ring me yesterday offering me a cheaper service than BT. No
>surprise there but after a 10 minutes sales pitch and being passed
>from Call Handler to Sales Manager to Account Manager the question I
>knew was coming was popped to me:
>"Can we have your bank details for the direct debit please sir?"
>I hung up instead of giving them bogus details and playing their own
>game. The number was Withheld on my display. Does anyone know if this
>number can be traced? I see no point involving Trading Standards or
>the Police if the number is untraceable and BT's 150 are no help
>anyway
>
>Busby

What was the name of the firm?
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Cheers

Peter

acdeag

<googlenospam@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Had a firm ring me yesterday offering me a cheaper service than BT. No
> surprise there but after a 10 minutes sales pitch and being passed
> from Call Handler to Sales Manager to Account Manager the question I
> knew was coming was popped to me:
> "Can we have your bank details for the direct debit please sir?"
> I hung up instead of giving them bogus details and playing their own
> game. The number was Withheld on my display. Does anyone know if this
> number can be traced? I see no point involving Trading Standards or
> the Police if the number is untraceable and BT's 150 are no help
> anyway
>
> Busby
>


How do you knwo it was a scam, many legitimate companies are cheaper than
BT. Their sales methods may be a bit questionable, but does not mean it is a
scam.

Andy Pandy

<googlenospam@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Had a firm ring me yesterday offering me a cheaper service than BT.
No
> surprise there but after a 10 minutes sales pitch and being passed
> from Call Handler to Sales Manager to Account Manager the question I
> knew was coming was popped to me:
> "Can we have your bank details for the direct debit please sir?"
> I hung up instead of giving them bogus details and playing their own
> game. The number was Withheld on my display. Does anyone know if
this
> number can be traced? I see no point involving Trading Standards or
> the Police if the number is untraceable and BT's 150 are no help
> anyway

Why do you think it was a scam? If it was they'd probably have asked
you for your credit card details and the number on the back, or your
PIN etc, which would be more useful. You give everyone you give a
cheque to your bank details.

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Andy

Peter Lynch

On Wed, 18 Jul 2007 02:16:42 -0700, googlenospam@hotmail.co.uk wrote:
> Had a firm ring me yesterday offering me a cheaper service than BT. No
> surprise there but after a 10 minutes sales pitch and being passed
> from Call Handler to Sales Manager to Account Manager the question I
> knew was coming was popped to me:
> "Can we have your bank details for the direct debit please sir?"
> I hung up instead of giving them bogus details and playing their own
> game. The number was Withheld on my display. Does anyone know if this
> number can be traced? I see no point involving Trading Standards or
> the Police if the number is untraceable and BT's 150 are no help
> anyway
>
> Busby
>
Personally I'm absolutely amazed that you would waste all that time
talking to a telesales (or even lots of telesales) person.



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J B

"Andy Pandy" <spam8times@wonderful.spam.invalid> wrote in message
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>
> Why do you think it was a scam?

So ....... you'd give your bank details to a 'cold caller' would you?

It happened to me about a year ago, I suggested to the guy that he shouldn't
really expect me to give out my bank details to a 'cold caller'
.............. he hung up on me!!!


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J B

Andy Burns

On 18/07/2007 21:32, Andy Pandy wrote:

> <googlenospam@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
>
>> a 10 minutes sales pitch
>
> You give everyone you give a cheque to your bank details.

Yes, but during the previous 10 minute sales pitch have they also asked
for your D.O.B, mother's maiden name, first school, etc as part of
"setting up your new account"?

Andy Pandy

"J B" <jb@privacy.net> wrote in message
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> "Andy Pandy" <spam8times@wonderful.spam.invalid> wrote in message
> news:5g7bmqF3ev5j9U1@mid.individual.net...
> >
> > Why do you think it was a scam?
>
> So ....... you'd give your bank details to a 'cold caller' would
you?

I wouldn't give a cold caller anything, I'd tell them to piss off
before it got anywhere near that far. Whatever they were selling. The
point is it's unlikely to be a scam if they are just asking for your
bank details. It might be if they are asking for other stuff as well,
eg PIN number, mother's maiden name etc.

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Andy

Andy

"Andy Pandy" <spam8times@wonderful.spam.invalid> wrote in message
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> I wouldn't give a cold caller anything, I'd tell them to piss off
> before it got anywhere near that far. Whatever they were selling. The
> point is it's unlikely to be a scam if they are just asking for your
> bank details. It might be if they are asking for other stuff as well,
> eg PIN number, mother's maiden name etc.

This form of 'social hacking' occurs more often than people would think.
I have had a 'social mobility' survey done on the phone a while back. They
story was that it was a sociology survey to see how mobile people are now
compared with a generation ago.
It started simply asking where I was born (they now have my place of birth)
and how far away from my birthplace I now live, where my siblings and
parents were born, my grandparents surnames and places of birth - if I knew
where they were born. Now they have my mother's maiden name by a subtle
route that did not ring any alarm bells. They then asked questions about my
social standing asking were I went to school was it private or state run?
What school was it? (by now they knew my school name). When I had my first
foreign holiday, did my family own a car. Did I have a favourite pet? What
was it? (Oh I had one of those, wonderful animals, loved it to bits, mine
was called Sandy, what was yours called?)
Now alarm bells were ringing so I made up a name and the questions continued
with false answers.
They got my mother's maiden name, my school and place of birth. They got
false info on my favourite pet, first car wifes maiden name and place of
birth.

It was done very subtly. I reported it but never heard anything again and,
thankfully, there was no attempt on the bank, credit cards etc I never
answer survey over the phone again.
There may have been a second call looking for bank details but I gave up
answering questions on the phone.
Now if a bank, CC comapny etc phones I ask for a landline number to call
them back on or else for the matter to be put into writing.

Andy

tony sayer

In article <5g8hikF3erdtiU1@mid.individual.net>, J B <jb@privacy.net>
writes
>"Andy Pandy" <spam8times@wonderful.spam.invalid> wrote in message
>news:5g7bmqF3ev5j9U1@mid.individual.net...
>>
>> Why do you think it was a scam?
>
>So ....... you'd give your bank details to a 'cold caller' would you?
>
>It happened to me about a year ago, I suggested to the guy that he shouldn't
>really expect me to give out my bank details to a 'cold caller'
>............. he hung up on me!!!
>
>

I've had this recently a couple of times and when you ask them too many
details they hang up!....
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Tony Sayer