Cheapest 0871?

R. Mark Clayton

"Allan Gould" <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
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> Jessica B wrote:
>> I have looked on saynoto0870 for an alternative to an 0871 number without
>> success so it looks like I'm going to have to ring it. Who's the cheapest
>> out of BT, Tiscali, One.Tel, 1899 and 18866?
>
> Not sure about 0871, but for 0870 (I'm sure someone will point out a
> relevant difference), to find out a cheap rate for ringing 0870, you could
> try
> http://callchecker.moneysavingexpert.com/ukcallchecker/
>
> BT is cheapest for 0870 at evenings and w/es (1.5p/min)

No they are making it flat rate soon :-(

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"alexd" <troffasky@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> News Reader wrote:
>
>> ... those prices came from a perhaps (somewhat / slightly) "less"
>> "reputable" landline provider... i.e. VM (Virgin Media)... = probably a
>> typo or stitch over ?
>
> The Typo Of The Month Award [known in the industry as the "Typies"] goes
> to...News Reader!
>
> stitch over, n: Where a company is taken over, and the subsequent
> organisation stitches up its customers and employees.
>
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Hi,


lol... thanks / ... I think (... I'm sure ) / I do my best .

I always thought of "stitch over" as being universal.. as in being
applicable to any scenario in which someone essentially rips someone else
off.

I guess if the official variant is in relation to companies (which I always
tended to think it was) and takeovers (more so particularly - which I wasn't
aware of) which I guess you are thinking about with respect to my typo ..
was either the VM recent takeover of ntl and Telewest or possibly the
impending potential takeover of VM.

Thanks again.

I always enjoy seeing your, as I imagine it to be, Linux server load
factors. . (Not real time I imagine?)...

lol


Best wishes,




News Reader

Lemmo

On Tue 04 Sep 2007 22:11:05, News Reader <no@email.invalid> wrote:

> "Paul Cupis" <paul@cupis.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:fbkf6u$7ch$1@energise.enta.net...
>> News Reader wrote:
>>> Again... that is "reputable operator" 10p/minute (i.e.
>>> theoretically maximum on the per minute charges with a reputable
>>> landline operator - their do appear for example to be at least
>>> one count of 80p per call fixed fee within the 0871 range).
>>>
>>> ** Sample Example of One Operators Range Charges **
>>> Dial Code/ Type of call Connection Charge Daytime Evening
>>> Weekend Dialled Number fee per call ppm ppm ppm
>>> 087132 Fixed Fee Call 80 0 0 0
>>
>> Very odd.
>> Ofcom say:
>>
>> 8713 20 6ppc Gamma Telecom Holdings Ltd
>> 8713 21 6ppc TELSTRA EUROPE LIMITED
>> 8713 22 6ppc Cheers International Telecom Ltd
>> 8713 23 7ppm Elephant Talk Communications PRS U.K Limited
>> 8713 24 6ppc Cheers International Telecom Ltd
>> 8713 25 6ppc Hotchilli Communications Ltd
>> 8713 26 6ppc 24 Seven Telecom Ltd
>> 8713 27 6ppc TelXL Ltd
>> 8713 28 6ppc ntl Group Ltd
>> 8713 29 6ppc Rhodium Telecom Limited
>>
>> BT list the 6ppc ranges correctly as ff15.
>> What operator charges 80ppc for calls to 087132xxxxx?
>>
>
> That looks better... / good...
>
> No wonder I was getting a little concerned about 0871 (still think
> it is a messy unclear range with the same standing for the clarity
> of pricing thereat)...
>
> ... those prices came from a perhaps (somewhat / slightly) "less"
> "reputable" landline provider... i.e. VM (Virgin Media)... =
> probably a typo or stitch over ?


Maybe Virgin Media actually do charge 80p?

News Reader

"Lemmo" <mail@mail.com> wrote in message
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> On Tue 04 Sep 2007 22:11:05, News Reader <no@email.invalid> wrote:
>
>> "Paul Cupis" <paul@cupis.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:fbkf6u$7ch$1@energise.enta.net...
>>> News Reader wrote:
>>>> Again... that is "reputable operator" 10p/minute (i.e.
>>>> theoretically maximum on the per minute charges with a reputable
>>>> landline operator - their do appear for example to be at least
>>>> one count of 80p per call fixed fee within the 0871 range).
>>>>
>>>> ** Sample Example of One Operators Range Charges **
>>>> Dial Code/ Type of call Connection Charge Daytime Evening
>>>> Weekend Dialled Number fee per call ppm ppm ppm
>>>> 087132 Fixed Fee Call 80 0 0 0
>>>
>>> Very odd.
>>> Ofcom say:
>>>
>>> 8713 20 6ppc Gamma Telecom Holdings Ltd
>>> 8713 21 6ppc TELSTRA EUROPE LIMITED
>>> 8713 22 6ppc Cheers International Telecom Ltd
>>> 8713 23 7ppm Elephant Talk Communications PRS U.K Limited
>>> 8713 24 6ppc Cheers International Telecom Ltd
>>> 8713 25 6ppc Hotchilli Communications Ltd
>>> 8713 26 6ppc 24 Seven Telecom Ltd
>>> 8713 27 6ppc TelXL Ltd
>>> 8713 28 6ppc ntl Group Ltd
>>> 8713 29 6ppc Rhodium Telecom Limited
>>>
>>> BT list the 6ppc ranges correctly as ff15.
>>> What operator charges 80ppc for calls to 087132xxxxx?
>>>
>>
>> That looks better... / good...
>>
>> No wonder I was getting a little concerned about 0871 (still think
>> it is a messy unclear range with the same standing for the clarity
>> of pricing thereat)...
>>
>> ... those prices came from a perhaps (somewhat / slightly) "less"
>> "reputable" landline provider... i.e. VM (Virgin Media)... =
>> probably a typo or stitch over ?
>
>
> Maybe Virgin Media actually do charge 80p?


Hi,


.... probably.

This is half the problem... you get "messy ranges" like 0844, 0871, etc. and
non-primary suppliers (read anyone except BT).. get stuck in mirror the
relatively frequently shifting market reference prices (read BT) (which is
itself a rather irksome task as with tens if not hundreds of sub-tariffs -
often confusing, etc. it is a job for a department to maintain on their
billing system, etc.)... or lump things together and over charge or use
penal charges to ensure that operator doesn't end up out of pocket.

Really, such numbers ranges are great - I love them and think they afford
great opportunity and resource, etc. The problem seems to be in
implementation, regulation and education... anyhow another story or a
perennial .


Best wishes,



News Reader

Mizter T

On 5 Sep, 12:31, "R. Mark Clayton" <nospamclay...@btinternet.com>
wrote:
> "Allan Gould" <inva...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
>
> news:5k4qa0F246s9U1@mid.individual.net...
>
> > Jessica B wrote:
> >> I have looked on saynoto0870 for an alternative to an 0871 number without
> >> success so it looks like I'm going to have to ring it. Who's the cheapest
> >> out of BT, Tiscali, One.Tel, 1899 and 18866?
>
> > Not sure about 0871, but for 0870 (I'm sure someone will point out a
> > relevant difference), to find out a cheap rate for ringing 0870, you could
> > try
> >http://callchecker.moneysavingexpert.com/ukcallchecker/
>
> > BT is cheapest for 0870 at evenings and w/es (1.5p/min)
>
> No they are making it flat rate soon :-(

(All quotes are from the Ofcom FAQ linked to at the bottom of this
post.)

It's a bit more complicated than that - basically all telcos have to
charge the same as they would for a national call, and in addition
"[t]he requirement to charge no more than the rate for geographic
calls will also extend to all-calls packages and bundled-minutes".

Though one should note that telcos can charge more, but if they do
"they will have to make a free-to-caller price pre-announcement at the
start of the call".

However "Ofcom anticipates that most communications providers would
wish to offer competitive prices for 0870 calls and would therefore
choose to charge at the same rate as for ordinary geographic calls."

See the Ofcom FAQ, in particular points 4 and 7:
http://www.ofcom.org.uk/media/mofaq/telecoms/nts/

So BT customers who get national rate calls as part of their inclusive
package won't pay any extra for 0870 calls - but BT customers who do
pay for national rate calls will have to pay per minute to call 0870
numbers. Bear in mind the time of day might make a difference.


I realise having written all this that Mr Clayton is probably well
aware of these changes, and his inverted smiley somewhat suggests they
mean he's one of those who're going to lose out as a result. I am but
an occasional visitor to uk.telecom so I'm not up with who's who and
what's what, regardless having spent the time to write this
clarification I will now go forth and send it out into the ether.

alexd

News Reader wrote:

> I always thought of "stitch over" as being universal.. as in being
> applicable to any scenario in which someone essentially rips someone else
> off.

The phrase you are looking for is "stitch up", but I think everyone probably
understood what you were getting at anyway. Alas, I can't find any
explanation of the etymology of the phrase.

> I always enjoy seeing your, as I imagine it to be, Linux server load
> factors. . (Not real time I imagine?)...

They are real at the time of posting.

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