BT to introduce free pre-call announcements on 070 numbers

Paul Cupis

Ivor Jones wrote:
> "Mortimer" <> wrote in message
> news:
> : : "Lemmo" <> wrote in message
> : : news:Xns99A3A663DC03D5E712@127.0.0.1...
> : : : : "If you call an 070 number thinking it's a mobile,
> : : : : you may be in for a nasty shock when you receive
> : : : : your phone bill. The pre-call announcement warns
> : : : : you of the potential cost up front, and allows you
> : : : : to make an informed choice as to whether or not you
> : : : : wish to make that call."
> : :
> : : So what else will 070 numbers now be used for in
> : : addition to mobiles? And how much will the charge be?
>
> 070 isn't used for mobiles. All UK mobiles start 077, 078 or 079
> although 076 is also used.

Well. Actually 071, 072, 073, 074, 075, 07624, 077, 078 and 079 are all
mobile ranges. Other 076 numbers are pagers.

It is true that currently no 071-4 ranges have been allocated, so just
075, 07624, 077, 078, 079 are actually be used currently.

Mortimer

"Paul Cupis" <.uk> wrote in message
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> Ivor Jones wrote:
>> "Mortimer" <> wrote in message
>> news:
>> : : "Lemmo" <> wrote in message
>> : : news:Xns99A3A663DC03D5E712@127.0.0.1...
>> : : : : "If you call an 070 number thinking it's a mobile,
>> : : : : you may be in for a nasty shock when you receive
>> : : : : your phone bill. The pre-call announcement warns
>> : : : : you of the potential cost up front, and allows you
>> : : : : to make an informed choice as to whether or not you
>> : : : : wish to make that call."
>> : :
>> : : So what else will 070 numbers now be used for in
>> : : addition to mobiles? And how much will the charge be?
>>
>> 070 isn't used for mobiles. All UK mobiles start 077, 078 or 079 although
>> 076 is also used.
>
> Well. Actually 071, 072, 073, 074, 075, 07624, 077, 078 and 079 are all
> mobile ranges. Other 076 numbers are pagers.
>
> It is true that currently no 071-4 ranges have been allocated, so just
> 075, 07624, 077, 078, 079 are actually be used currently.

Oh, I assumed that all 07 numbers were mobiles (or pagers).

So (rephrasing my original question) what will 070 be used for, if other 07
numbers are mobiles and pagers?

The reference to "a nasty shock when you receive your phone bill" suggests
it's something even more expensive.

Paul Cupis

On 2007-09-07, Mortimer <> wrote:
> "Paul Cupis" <.uk> wrote in message
> news:fbq7s5$175m$.net...
>> Ivor Jones wrote:
>>> 070 isn't used for mobiles. All UK mobiles start 077, 078 or 079 although
>>> 076 is also used.
>>
>> Well. Actually 071, 072, 073, 074, 075, 07624, 077, 078 and 079 are all
>> mobile ranges. Other 076 numbers are pagers.
>>
>> It is true that currently no 071-4 ranges have been allocated, so just
>> 075, 07624, 077, 078, 079 are actually be used currently.
>
> Oh, I assumed that all 07 numbers were mobiles (or pagers).
>
> So (rephrasing my original question) what will 070 be used for, if other 07
> numbers are mobiles and pagers?



*******************
Acceptable use of 070 numbers

6. The 070 range shall only be used for Personal Numbering Services,
which are defined as services .based on number translation that enables
End-Users to be called or otherwise contacted, using a single Personal
Telephone Number, and to receive those calls or other communications at
almost any Telephone Number, including Mobile Numbers.. A Personal
Number is also defined in the Plan as a Telephone Number .assigned by a
Personal Numbering Service Provider, which allows a Subscriber to
receive calls or other communications at almost any Telephone Number,
including a Mobile Number..

7. Previously the Numbering Conventions had stated that 070 numbers were
"suitable for users who habitually move location", but as this was not a
requirement or prohibition, it does not appear in the Plan.
Additionally, the length of time for which an 070 number is active is
not a relevant consideration in deciding whether or not it is a
legitimate Personal Numbering Service.
8. Recent examples of services that may not fit the traditional mode of
Personal Numbering, but which Ofcom considers to be legitimate Personal
Numbering Services include:

* 070 numbers allocated to users of Internet chat rooms who want to
talk to new acquaintances without divulging their real phone
numbers;
* 070 numbers allocated solely for the purpose of selling, eg, a
car through a magazine; and
* 070 numbers allocated to hospital patients so that they
can have their own number for the duration of their stay
(but not where a generic 070 number is used that requires
further PINs . see para 14 below).
*******************
>
> The reference to "a nasty shock when you receive your phone bill" suggests
> it's something even more expensive.
>
Upto 50ppm or 50ppc+local-rate.

Mortimer

"Paul Cupis" <.uk> wrote in message
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> On 2007-09-07, Mortimer <> wrote:
>> "Paul Cupis" <.uk> wrote in message
>> news:fbq7s5$175m$.net...
>>> Ivor Jones wrote:
>>>> 070 isn't used for mobiles. All UK mobiles start 077, 078 or 079
>>>> although
>>>> 076 is also used.
>>>
>>> Well. Actually 071, 072, 073, 074, 075, 07624, 077, 078 and 079 are all
>>> mobile ranges. Other 076 numbers are pagers.
>>>
>>> It is true that currently no 071-4 ranges have been allocated, so just
>>> 075, 07624, 077, 078, 079 are actually be used currently.
>>
>> Oh, I assumed that all 07 numbers were mobiles (or pagers).
>>
>> So (rephrasing my original question) what will 070 be used for, if other
>> 07
>> numbers are mobiles and pagers?
>
>
>
> *******************
> Acceptable use of 070 numbers
>
> 6. The 070 range shall only be used for Personal Numbering Services,

Ah, right, I remember reading about "personal numbers" ages ago and I
thought this was an obfuscation for mobile phones.

>> The reference to "a nasty shock when you receive your phone bill"
>> suggests
>> it's something even more expensive.
>>
> Upto 50ppm or 50ppc+local-rate.

Who gets the money - the phone company that provides the service?

Seems very expensive for what is presumably just an entry in a routing
table - one that can be altered by the customer as required, no doubt by web
interface. Ultimately the call goes to either a landline or a mobile, so
you'd expect that the call charge would to be the same as if you'd dialled
the real number behind the redirection - maybe with a very small surcharge
for using the redirection.

You'd think that if the price is as high as 50 ppm, it woudl be better to
place it in the 09 premium rate numbering space.

Soruk

On Fri, 7 Sep 2007 09:15:02 +0100, Mortimer <> wrote:
>"Paul Cupis" <.uk> wrote in message
>news:.home...
>> Upto 50ppm or 50ppc+local-rate.
>
>Who gets the money - the phone company that provides the service?

Yep. Some of which is used, as you suggest below, for the cost of the
onward call connection. If the target happens to be a landline, then the
service provider makes a nice profit. Some providers also permit the 070
number to redirect to an international location.

>Seems very expensive for what is presumably just an entry in a routing
>table - one that can be altered by the customer as required, no doubt by web
>interface. Ultimately the call goes to either a landline or a mobile, so
>you'd expect that the call charge would to be the same as if you'd dialled
>the real number behind the redirection - maybe with a very small surcharge
>for using the redirection.

In a way it would be nice that the call would be charged at a lower rate
if forwarded to a landline than if forwarded to a mobile, but that would
play absolute havoc for billing systems... but then when you call one
you'd never have any idea what you'd be charged when calling it.

>You'd think that if the price is as high as 50 ppm, it woudl be better to
>place it in the 09 premium rate numbering space.

Slight difference here, is that the operators of what's on the receiving
end of an 09 number make money from the call. Ofcom forbid revenue sharing
on 070 numbers with the end user, so when you call an 070 number the
recipient makes no money from the call.

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Thomas Kenyon

Ivor Jones wrote:

>
> 070 isn't used for mobiles. All UK mobiles start 077, 078 or 079
> although 076 is also used.
>
> Ivor
>

Although confusingly not all 079 numbers are UK mobile numbers, I have a
Jersey mobile number which is reachable via 07937xxxxxx and if it is
called, the phone bill (3) states it is an International Mobile. (though
not that expensive to call).

Thomas Kenyon

Soruk wrote:
> On Fri, 7 Sep 2007 09:15:02 +0100, Mortimer <> wrote:

>> Who gets the money - the phone company that provides the service?
>
> Yep. Some of which is used, as you suggest below, for the cost of the
> onward call connection. If the target happens to be a landline, then the
> service provider makes a nice profit.

At 50p/min if it is being diverted to a mobile they are making a tidy
profit.

Since terminating a call to a mobile from a reputable voip provider can
cost you as little as 5p/min (weekend rate) or 9.5p/min (Peak), I'd say
over 40p/min is quite a markup for a routing service (compared to how
much you can get for most of them).

Thomas Kenyon

Ivor Jones wrote:

>
> 070 isn't used for mobiles. All UK mobiles start 077, 078 or 079
> although 076 is also used.
>
> Ivor
>

Although confusingly not all 079 numbers are UK mobile numbers, I have a
Jersey mobile number which is reachable via 07937xxxxxx and if it is
called, the phone bill (3) states it is an International Mobile. (though
not that expensive to call).

Thomas Kenyon

Soruk wrote:
> On Fri, 7 Sep 2007 09:15:02 +0100, Mortimer <> wrote:

>> Who gets the money - the phone company that provides the service?
>
> Yep. Some of which is used, as you suggest below, for the cost of the
> onward call connection. If the target happens to be a landline, then the
> service provider makes a nice profit.

At 50p/min if it is being diverted to a mobile they are making a tidy
profit.

Since terminating a call to a mobile from a reputable voip provider can
cost you as little as 5p/min (weekend rate) or 9.5p/min (Peak), I'd say
over 40p/min is quite a markup for a routing service (compared to how
much you can get for most of them).