BT to introduce free pre-call announcements on 070 numbers

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> : : : : On 31 Aug, 00:22, Sunil Sood
> : : : : <.uk> wrote:
> : : : : : Customers making calls on the BT network are to
> : : : : : be protected against unwittingly incurring high
> : : : : : charges on personal numbers - which start with
> : : : : : 070 and can be confused with mobile numbers.
> : : :
> : : : : Will they offer an option for those of us who know
> : : : : full well what we're calling, to be able to just
> : : : : connect, without delay?
> : : :
> : : : It sounds rather as if they are admitting that they
> : : : cannot trust the operators of these premium services
> : : : to warn adequately.
> : :
> : : They are not premium rate services as that term is
> : : defined in the UK numbering plan. There is no
> : : requirement for callers to be advised of the cost of
> : : calling a number by the person giving them that number
> : : except for Premium Rate Numbers (starting 09 or 118).
>
> Yawn.. Here we go again. I don't give a fig what the UK numbering plan or
> anybody else says. If they're charged more than a call to a normal phone
> number then they're premium rate, end of story.
>
> No debates or arguments so don't bother replying unless you want it
> dragged out *again* for days, because I will if I have to.
>
> Ivor
>

Do you include regular mobile numbers in this argument?

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"Sunil Sood" <.uk> wrote in message
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> Customers making calls on the BT network are to be protected against
> unwittingly incurring high charges on personal numbers - which start
> with 070 and can be confused with mobile numbers.
>
>>From Saturday (1 September), anyone who dials one of the 070 personal
> numbers that charges more than 20p a minute will hear a free pre-call
> announcement from BT.
>
> It will advise them that it is a personal number and the maximum
> charges that they may incur. They can then choose whether to allow the


Have you a source link, please?

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: : Ivor Jones wrote:
: : : I don't give a fig what the UK numbering plan
: : : or anybody else says.
: : [snip]
: : : No debates or arguments so don't bother replying
: : : unless you want it dragged out *again* for days,
: : : because I will if I have to.
: :
: : Yep, there's Ivor. Accept his definitions or he'll kill
: : the SNR and therefore the usefulness of the forum.

And there's Paul - accept "the rules" - No.

Ivor

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"Jono" <nothanks@blueyonder.invalid> wrote in message
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: : : I don't give a fig what the UK numbering plan or
: : : anybody else says.
: :
: : Erm, I'm sure you do.....especially when it comes to
: : the format of London numbers..

Actually I don't. The fact that it agrees with me on that is irrelevant.

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: : : : : : The message
: : : : : : <1188516819.583010.7450@z24g2000prh.googlegroups.c om>
: : : : : : from Joseph Hill <> contains
: : : : : : these words:
: : : : : :
: : : : : : : On 31 Aug, 00:22, Sunil Sood
: : : : : : : <.uk> wrote:
: : : : : : : : Customers making calls on the BT network
: : : : : : : : are to be protected against unwittingly
: : : : : : : : incurring high charges on personal numbers
: : : : : : : : - which start with 070 and can be confused
: : : : : : : : with mobile numbers.
: : : : : :
: : : : : : : Will they offer an option for those of us who
: : : : : : : know full well what we're calling, to be able
: : : : : : : to just connect, without delay?
: : : : : :
: : : : : : It sounds rather as if they are admitting that
: : : : : : they cannot trust the operators of these
: : : : : : premium services to warn adequately.
: : : : :
: : : : : They are not premium rate services as that term is
: : : : : defined in the UK numbering plan. There is no
: : : : : requirement for callers to be advised of the cost
: : : : : of calling a number by the person giving them
: : : : : that number except for Premium Rate Numbers
: : : : : (starting 09 or 118).
: : :
: : : Yawn.. Here we go again. I don't give a fig what the
: : : UK numbering plan or anybody else says. If they're
: : : charged more than a call to a normal phone number
: : : then they're premium rate, end of story.
: : :
: : : No debates or arguments so don't bother replying
: : : unless you want it dragged out *again* for days,
: : : because I will if I have to.
: : :
: : : Ivor
: : :
: :
: : Do you include regular mobile numbers in this argument?

Technically, yes. They are charged at a premium rate compared to normal
landline numbers. However the majority are aware of this, which isn't the
case with 070 numbers which are charged at a premium compared with normal
mobile numbers, let alone landlines.

Ivor

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On Fri, 31 Aug 2007 06:53:58 GMT, Jono <nothanks@blueyonder.invalid>
wrote:

>It used to be possible to either deop the leading zero or something
>else, I'm sure.......
>
>At least it should be possible to do something like that - I'm on Voda
>& was advised by their CS to "try dropping the zero" to avoid the
>message. Not worky.

On O2 you can drop the 0. On T-mobile I think you prefix the number
with 6 (or you used to be able to in the One2One days) not sure about
the other networks though.

Richard M Willis

Sunil Sood wrote:

>
>>From Saturday (1 September), anyone who dials one of the 070 personal
> numbers that charges more than 20p a minute will hear a free pre-call
> announcement from BT.
>

Oh. Bloody great. Might I ask what right BT has of delaying my
legitimate callers to my 070 number ? It's bad enough hearing the
"0800 are not free" when calling from a mobile.

Richard [in PE12]

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Ivor Jones

"Richard M Willis" <.uuk> wrote
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: : Sunil Sood wrote:
: : :
: : : : From Saturday (1 September), anyone who dials one
: : : : of the 070 personal
: : : numbers that charges more than 20p a minute will hear
: : : a free pre-call announcement from BT.
: : :
: :
: : Oh. Bloody great. Might I ask what right BT has of
: : delaying my legitimate callers to my 070 number ? It's
: : bad enough hearing the "0800 are not free" when calling
: : from a mobile.

Perhaps not everybody is happy with paying the exorbitant rates to your
070 number.

Ivor

David Taylor

On 2007-08-31, David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*) <.uk> wrote:
> Ivor Jones <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:
>
>> "Richard M Willis" <.uuk> wrote
>> in message news:46d7b840$0$16322$
>> : : Sunil Sood wrote:
>> : : :
>> : : : : From Saturday (1 September), anyone who dials one
>> : : : : of the 070 personal
>> : : : numbers that charges more than 20p a minute will hear
>> : : : a free pre-call announcement from BT.
>> : : :
>> : :
>> : : Oh. Bloody great. Might I ask what right BT has of
>> : : delaying my legitimate callers to my 070 number ? It's
>> : : bad enough hearing the "0800 are not free" when calling
>> : : from a mobile.
>>
>> Perhaps not everybody is happy with paying the exorbitant rates to your
>> 070 number.
>
> I find it annoying though when calling 0800 numbers- some way of
> 'overriding' the warning would be a good idea, though don't know how it
> could be implemented.

O2 simply refused to connect you to 0800 numbers unless you dropped
the leading 0.

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David Horne, _the_ chancellor

David Taylor <davidt-news@yadt.co.uk> wrote:

> On 2007-08-31, David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*) <d4g4h4@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
[]
> > I find it annoying though when calling 0800 numbers- some way of
> > 'overriding' the warning would be a good idea, though don't know how it
> > could be implemented.
>
> O2 simply refused to connect you to 0800 numbers unless you dropped
> the leading 0.

Unfortunately, Tesco (who use O2) have this 'feature' too- very
annoying!

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