BT to introduce free pre-call announcements on 070 numbers

David Horne, _the_ chancellor

Ivor Jones <ivor@despammed.invalid> wrote:

> "Richard M Willis" <.uuk> wrote
> in message news:46d7b840$0$16322$
> : : Sunil Sood wrote:
> : : :
> : : : : From Saturday (1 September), anyone who dials one
> : : : : of the 070 personal
> : : : numbers that charges more than 20p a minute will hear
> : : : a free pre-call announcement from BT.
> : : :
> : :
> : : Oh. Bloody great. Might I ask what right BT has of
> : : delaying my legitimate callers to my 070 number ? It's
> : : bad enough hearing the "0800 are not free" when calling
> : : from a mobile.
>
> Perhaps not everybody is happy with paying the exorbitant rates to your
> 070 number.

I find it annoying though when calling 0800 numbers- some way of
'overriding' the warning would be a good idea, though don't know how it
could be implemented.

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Spin Dryer

[Ivor Jones], on Fri, 31 Aug 2007 03:49:36 +0100, said :-

>
>
>"Paul Cupis" <.uk> wrote in message
>news:fb7o1g$28qr$.net
>: : MB wrote:
>: : : The message
>: : : <1188516819.583010.7450@z24g2000prh.googlegroups.c om>
>: : : from Joseph Hill <> contains these
>: : : words:
>: : :
>: : : : On 31 Aug, 00:22, Sunil Sood
>: : : : <.uk> wrote:
>: : : : : Customers making calls on the BT network are to
>: : : : : be protected against unwittingly incurring high
>: : : : : charges on personal numbers - which start with
>: : : : : 070 and can be confused with mobile numbers.
>: : :
>: : : : Will they offer an option for those of us who know
>: : : : full well what we're calling, to be able to just
>: : : : connect, without delay?
>: : :
>: : : It sounds rather as if they are admitting that they
>: : : cannot trust the operators of these premium services
>: : : to warn adequately.
>: :
>: : They are not premium rate services as that term is
>: : defined in the UK numbering plan. There is no
>: : requirement for callers to be advised of the cost of
>: : calling a number by the person giving them that number
>: : except for Premium Rate Numbers (starting 09 or 118).
>
>Yawn.. Here we go again. I don't give a fig what the UK numbering plan or
>anybody else says. If they're charged more than a call to a normal phone
>number then they're premium rate, end of story.
>
>No debates or arguments so don't bother replying unless you want it
>dragged out *again* for days, because I will if I have to.
>

Ivor - you are making yourself look more and more like a buffoon with
your ridiculous comments about premium numbers.

Get it into your thick head that you are wrong Slick.

Let me put it this way, if someone has premium rate barring, then they
will still be able to call mobile numbers, international numbers,
directory enquiry numbers and others.

I hope you don't tell any of your gullible contacts that all numbers
apart from 'normal' numbers are premium rate numbers, because they
will be in for a nasty shock if they arrange for premium rate barring.

I await your debate sonny.

MB

The message <fb7o1g$28qr$.net>
from Paul Cupis <.uk> contains these words:

> MB wrote:
> > The message <1188516819.583010.7450@z24g2000prh.googlegroups.c om>
> > from Joseph Hill <> contains these words:
> >
> >> On 31 Aug, 00:22, Sunil Sood <.uk> wrote:
> >>> Customers making calls on the BT network are to be protected against
> >>> unwittingly incurring high charges on personal numbers - which start
> >>> with 070 and can be confused with mobile numbers.
> >
> >> Will they offer an option for those of us who know full well what
> >> we're calling, to be able to just connect, without delay?
> >
> > It sounds rather as if they are admitting that they cannot trust the
> > operators of these premium services to warn adequately.

> They are not premium rate services as that term is defined in the UK
> numbering plan. There is no requirement for callers to be advised of the
> cost of calling a number by the person giving them that number except
> for Premium Rate Numbers (starting 09 or 118).



I quite specifically deliberately did not call them "premium rate services".

MB

Sunil Sood

On 31 Aug, 08:32, Richard M Willis <.uuk>
wrote:
> Sunil Sood wrote:
>
> >>From Saturday (1 September), anyone who dials one of the 070 personal
> > numbers that charges more than 20p a minute will hear a free pre-call
> > announcement from BT.
>
> Oh. Bloody great. Might I ask what right BT has of delaying my
> legitimate callers to my 070 number ? It's bad enough hearing the
> "0800 are not free" when calling from a mobile.

Its a new Ofcom obligation on originating communications providers
('OCPs') from the 1 September 2007 - originally announced in Feb 07.



Now enforceable under General Condition 17.

Regards
Sunil

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"Sunil Sood" <.uk> wrote in message
news:1188592014.784354.245140@y42g2000hsy.googlegr oups.com...
> On 31 Aug, 08:32, Richard M Willis <.uuk>
> wrote:
>> Sunil Sood wrote:
>>
>> >>From Saturday (1 September), anyone who dials one of the 070 personal
>> > numbers that charges more than 20p a minute will hear a free pre-call
>> > announcement from BT.
>>
>> Oh. Bloody great. Might I ask what right BT has of delaying my
>> legitimate callers to my 070 number ? It's bad enough hearing the
>> "0800 are not free" when calling from a mobile.
>
> Its a new Ofcom obligation on originating communications providers
> ('OCPs') from the 1 September 2007 - originally announced in Feb 07.
>
>
>
> Now enforceable under General Condition 17.
>
> Regards
> Sunil
>


Dear Sunil

Do you have a source link for the BT article, please?

Many thanks

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Sunil Sood

On 31 Aug, 08:26, "AntiSpamBloke" <> wrote:
> Have you a source link, please?

I believe I got it from

Regards
Sunil

mymail@hotmail.co.uk

On Fri, 31 Aug 2007 20:26:54 -0000, Sunil Sood
<.uk> wrote:


>Its a new Ofcom obligation on originating communications providers
>('OCPs') from the 1 September 2007 - originally announced in Feb 07.

And about time too Sunil and should be applied to all numbers other
than standard geographical numbers and 0800/0808's if you ask me.
People are being ripped of left right and center these days with all
the money making numbers even the damned doctors and health centers
are getting in on the act with the 0844 range now whch gives them 2p
pr call received do the doctors not get paid enough money ? .

Graham.

"Spin Dryer" <> wrote in message
news:...
> [Ivor Jones], on Fri, 31 Aug 2007 03:49:36 +0100, said :-
>
>>
>>
>>"Paul Cupis" <.uk> wrote in message
>>news:fb7o1g$28qr$.net
>>: : MB wrote:
>>: : : The message
>>: : : <1188516819.583010.7450@z24g2000prh.googlegroups.c om>
>>: : : from Joseph Hill <> contains these
>>: : : words:
>>: : :
>>: : : : On 31 Aug, 00:22, Sunil Sood
>>: : : : <.uk> wrote:
>>: : : : : Customers making calls on the BT network are to
>>: : : : : be protected against unwittingly incurring high
>>: : : : : charges on personal numbers - which start with
>>: : : : : 070 and can be confused with mobile numbers.
>>: : :
>>: : : : Will they offer an option for those of us who know
>>: : : : full well what we're calling, to be able to just
>>: : : : connect, without delay?
>>: : :
>>: : : It sounds rather as if they are admitting that they
>>: : : cannot trust the operators of these premium services
>>: : : to warn adequately.
>>: :
>>: : They are not premium rate services as that term is
>>: : defined in the UK numbering plan. There is no
>>: : requirement for callers to be advised of the cost of
>>: : calling a number by the person giving them that number
>>: : except for Premium Rate Numbers (starting 09 or 118).
>>
>>Yawn.. Here we go again. I don't give a fig what the UK numbering plan or
>>anybody else says. If they're charged more than a call to a normal phone
>>number then they're premium rate, end of story.
>>
>>No debates or arguments so don't bother replying unless you want it
>>dragged out *again* for days, because I will if I have to.
>>
>
> Ivor - you are making yourself look more and more like a buffoon with
> your ridiculous comments about premium numbers.
>
> Get it into your thick head that you are wrong Slick.
>
> Let me put it this way, if someone has premium rate barring, then they
> will still be able to call mobile numbers, international numbers,
> directory enquiry numbers and others.
>
> I hope you don't tell any of your gullible contacts that all numbers
> apart from 'normal' numbers are premium rate numbers, because they
> will be in for a nasty shock if they arrange for premium rate barring.
>
> I await your debate sonny.

It seems to me that Ivor fully understands what a premium rate
number is in telecom terms, but prefers to apply a simple dictionary
definition of the word "premium" and for the purposes of what we
are discussing here, elderly people not realising the cost etc, such
a definition is perfectly appropriate and I agree with him.

It should be possible to dial a prefix which will trigger a charge
announcement for *any* call, and allow you to hang up before
it is connected, why don't OFCOM force all operators to
implement this?

After all, BT has had ADC for years, but that tells you how
much you have spent after you have spent it!

And IIRC, in the early days of System X, BTs ADC service
was a chargeable Star Service on a call by call basis until OFTEL
made them offer it for free.

--
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%Profound_observation%

Graham.

"Jono" <nothanks@blueyonder.invalid> wrote in message
news:mn.f9da7d78486b3279.77298@blueyonder.invalid. ..
> Joseph Hill brought next idea :
>
>>
>> Annoyingly, T-Mobile tell me *every time* I dial an 0800 number, that
>> the call will be charged at their standard rate. I know this, accept
>> this, and my memory is good enough to not need to be told this five
>> times a day. (A lot of suppliers insist on using 0800 numbers on their
>> order lines, annoyingly).
>>
>> I know moaning about ten seconds sounds petty... but it really is
>> unnecessarily tedious.
>
> Absolutely.
>
> It used to be possible to either deop the leading zero or something else,
> I'm sure.......
>
> At least it should be possible to do something like that - I'm on Voda &
> was advised by their CS to "try dropping the zero" to avoid the message.
> Not worky.

One of the networks made you prefix an 0800 with a *
I dont think it was to suppress an anouncment though.

Jono

Graham. expressed precisely :
> And IIRC, in the early days of System X, BTs ADC service
> was a chargeable Star Service on a call by call basis until OFTEL
> made them offer it for free.

I thought they had been forced to provide it FOC as it was so
inaccurate.