New Virgin Media Phone Charges

acdeag

See that VM are determined to be more expensive than BT, insidious
connection fee now 7p/chargeable call.

Brian A

On Fri, 21 Sep 2007 17:40:39 +0100, "acdeag" <> wrote:

>See that VM are determined to be more expensive than BT, insidious
>connection fee now 7p/chargeable call.
As more and more people turn to voip, BT and VM seem to think that the
way to survive is to put up prices, to those who still use their
services, rather than try to compete.


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acdeag

"Brian A" <> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 21 Sep 2007 17:40:39 +0100, "acdeag" <> wrote:
>
>>See that VM are determined to be more expensive than BT, insidious
>>connection fee now 7p/chargeable call.
> As more and more people turn to voip, BT and VM seem to think that the
> way to survive is to put up prices, to those who still use their
> services, rather than try to compete.


I agree so called competition between BT and VM does not exist, BT puts its
prices up and VM follows with exactly the same charges, apart from the 7p
connection fee (compared to 6p at BT) and the fact that VM charge w/e
daytime International calls the same as weekday daytime unlike BT, there is
not much to separate them. They both moved to per minute pricing about the
same time as well, the appearance is of collusion.

Chris Leuty

In article <>, "acdeag" <>
wrote:

> I agree so called competition between BT and VM does not exist, BT puts its
> prices up and VM follows with exactly the same charges, apart from the 7p
> connection fee (compared to 6p at BT)

Is BT's 6p a minimum charge or a connection fee on top of the call
charge like VM's?

acdeag

"Chris Leuty" <.uk> wrote in message
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> In article <>, "acdeag" <>
> wrote:
>
>> I agree so called competition between BT and VM does not exist, BT puts
>> its
>> prices up and VM follows with exactly the same charges, apart from the 7p
>> connection fee (compared to 6p at BT)
>
> Is BT's 6p a minimum charge or a connection fee on top of the call
> charge like VM's?

Yup, they also both now round up to the next minute. So a daytime mobile
call is, I now believe, a minimum charge of 18.5p p BT and 22p on VM. For BT
it does not apply to their One hour plans.

Brian A

On Sun, 23 Sep 2007 08:00:08 GMT, Chris Leuty <.uk>
wrote:

>In article <>, "acdeag" <>
>wrote:
>
>> I agree so called competition between BT and VM does not exist, BT puts its
>> prices up and VM follows with exactly the same charges, apart from the 7p
>> connection fee (compared to 6p at BT)
>
>Is BT's 6p a minimum charge or a connection fee on top of the call
>charge like VM's?
A 6p connection charge and a minimum of 1 minute charge (as there is
rounding up to next minute). Thus for 1 minute of daytime call it is
9.5p/min. I reckon that anyone who is savvy won't be using BT, for
peak time 'pay per minute' calls, so BT are making the most of those
who are not.

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On Sun, 23 Sep 2007 09:37:59 GMT, Brian A
<> wrote:

>On Sun, 23 Sep 2007 08:00:08 GMT, Chris Leuty <.uk>
>wrote:
>
>>In article <>, "acdeag" <>
>>wrote:
>>
>>> I agree so called competition between BT and VM does not exist, BT puts its
>>> prices up and VM follows with exactly the same charges, apart from the 7p
>>> connection fee (compared to 6p at BT)
>>
>>Is BT's 6p a minimum charge or a connection fee on top of the call
>>charge like VM's?
>A 6p connection charge and a minimum of 1 minute charge (as there is
>rounding up to next minute). Thus for 1 minute of daytime call it is
>9.5p/min. I reckon that anyone who is savvy won't be using BT, for
>peak time 'pay per minute' calls, so BT are making the most of those
>who are not.
>
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More details on the price increases here - glad I'm not a part of it.


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acdeag

>>>
>>>> I agree so called competition between BT and VM does not exist, BT puts
>>>> its
>>>> prices up and VM follows with exactly the same charges, apart from the
>>>> 7p
>>>> connection fee (compared to 6p at BT)
>>>
>>>Is BT's 6p a minimum charge or a connection fee on top of the call
>>>charge like VM's?
>>A 6p connection charge and a minimum of 1 minute charge (as there is
>>rounding up to next minute). Thus for 1 minute of daytime call it is
>>9.5p/min. I reckon that anyone who is savvy won't be using BT, for
>>peak time 'pay per minute' calls, so BT are making the most of those
>>who are not.
>>
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> More details on the price increases here - glad I'm not a part of it.
>
>

The cost of calling a mobile is quite horrific. At least when BT abolished
the weekend rate they reduced their daytime rate a touch. VM as normal have
not done so. I don't think most VM customers realise how much more they are
paying for their calls than they could get elsewhere.

Lemmo

On Fri 21 Sep 2007 23:15:37, acdeag <> wrote:

>
> "Brian A" <> wrote in message
> news:...
>> On Fri, 21 Sep 2007 17:40:39 +0100, "acdeag" <> wrote:
>>
>>>See that VM are determined to be more expensive than BT, insidious
>>>connection fee now 7p/chargeable call.
>> As more and more people turn to voip, BT and VM seem to think that
>> the way to survive is to put up prices, to those who still use
>> their services, rather than try to compete.
>
>
> I agree so called competition between BT and VM does not exist, BT
> puts its prices up and VM follows with exactly the same charges,
> apart from the 7p connection fee (compared to 6p at BT) and the
> fact that VM charge w/e daytime International calls the same as
> weekday daytime unlike BT, there is not much to separate them. They
> both moved to per minute pricing about the same time as well, the
> appearance is of collusion.
>

Isn't there any requirement to charge a reasonable amount?

Seems to me that 7p for connection is far greater than the real cost
could ever be.

mymail@hotmail.co.uk

On Thu, 04 Oct 2007 22:21:43 +0100, Lemmo <> wrote:

>On Fri 21 Sep 2007 23:15:37, acdeag <> wrote:
>
>>
>> "Brian A" <> wrote in message
>> news:...
>>> On Fri, 21 Sep 2007 17:40:39 +0100, "acdeag" <> wrote:
>>>
>>>>See that VM are determined to be more expensive than BT, insidious
>>>>connection fee now 7p/chargeable call.
>>> As more and more people turn to voip, BT and VM seem to think that
>>> the way to survive is to put up prices, to those who still use
>>> their services, rather than try to compete.
>>
>>
>> I agree so called competition between BT and VM does not exist, BT
>> puts its prices up and VM follows with exactly the same charges,
>> apart from the 7p connection fee (compared to 6p at BT) and the
>> fact that VM charge w/e daytime International calls the same as
>> weekday daytime unlike BT, there is not much to separate them. They
>> both moved to per minute pricing about the same time as well, the
>> appearance is of collusion.
>>
>
>Isn't there any requirement to charge a reasonable amount?
>
>Seems to me that 7p for connection is far greater than the real cost
>could ever be.

I do not think there is they can charge what they like if a customer
doesn't like what they charge they can give up the service .