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Old 26-11-2007, 07:41 AM   #1
Tim Rogers
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Phone left 'off the hook'

Yesterday afternoon my wife made a phone call to a friend.

In the other room my daughter (3 years old!) Picked up thr other phone and
left it off the hook (didn't discover this until about 7pm last night.

Does this mean that I'll be charged for a 4 hour phone call (ouch!) even
though the person at the other end has ended the call?

I know that if I put the phone down in one room and then pick it up in
another the call is maintained and this is what is worrying me!!!

Tim


 
Old 26-11-2007, 07:41 AM   #2
tony sayer
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Re: Phone left 'off the hook'

In article <5movhuFekv8eU1@mid.individual.net>, Tim Rogers
<nospam@sapm.net> scribeth thus
>Yesterday afternoon my wife made a phone call to a friend.
>
>In the other room my daughter (3 years old!) Picked up thr other phone and
>left it off the hook (didn't discover this until about 7pm last night.
>
>Does this mean that I'll be charged for a 4 hour phone call (ouch!) even
>though the person at the other end has ended the call?
>
>I know that if I put the phone down in one room and then pick it up in
>another the call is maintained and this is what is worrying me!!!
>
>Tim
>
>


If this is another phone across your "own" line then No...

If the other party had left theirs of the hook as well then Yes..
--
Tony Sayer



 
Old 26-11-2007, 07:41 AM   #3
xCx
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Re: Phone left 'off the hook'

Tim Rogers wrote:
> Yesterday afternoon my wife made a phone call to a friend.
>
> In the other room my daughter (3 years old!) Picked up thr other phone and
> left it off the hook (didn't discover this until about 7pm last night.
>
> Does this mean that I'll be charged for a 4 hour phone call (ouch!) even
> though the person at the other end has ended the call?
>
> I know that if I put the phone down in one room and then pick it up in
> another the call is maintained and this is what is worrying me!!!
>
> Tim
>
>


As long as the other party left their phone down and didn't
keep picking it up and putting it down it should have cleared
after about 5 minutes.

--
xCx
*Disclaimer* My opinions are mine and I do not represent
anyone or any company.
 
Old 26-11-2007, 07:41 AM   #4
Tim Rogers
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Re: Phone left 'off the hook'


"tony sayer" <tony@bancom.co.uk> wrote in message
news:W7YGApFfz0BHFwPF@bancom.co.uk...
> In article <5movhuFekv8eU1@mid.individual.net>, Tim Rogers
> <nospam@sapm.net> scribeth thus
>>Yesterday afternoon my wife made a phone call to a friend.
>>
>>In the other room my daughter (3 years old!) Picked up thr other phone and
>>left it off the hook (didn't discover this until about 7pm last night.
>>
>>Does this mean that I'll be charged for a 4 hour phone call (ouch!) even
>>though the person at the other end has ended the call?
>>
>>I know that if I put the phone down in one room and then pick it up in
>>another the call is maintained and this is what is worrying me!!!
>>
>>Tim
>>
>>

>
> If this is another phone across your "own" line then No...
>
> If the other party had left theirs of the hook as well then Yes..
> --


No the other party did 'hang up' How long does the connection stay open for.
Must be a few minutes I'd have thought. Allows you to put the phone down in
one room and pick it up in another.

Tim


 
Old 26-11-2007, 07:41 AM   #5
Tim Rogers
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"xCx" <xcx@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
news:5mp1omFejqbjU2@mid.individual.net...
> Tim Rogers wrote:
>> Yesterday afternoon my wife made a phone call to a friend.
>>
>> In the other room my daughter (3 years old!) Picked up thr other phone
>> and left it off the hook (didn't discover this until about 7pm last
>> night.
>>
>> Does this mean that I'll be charged for a 4 hour phone call (ouch!) even
>> though the person at the other end has ended the call?
>>
>> I know that if I put the phone down in one room and then pick it up in
>> another the call is maintained and this is what is worrying me!!!
>>
>> Tim

>
> As long as the other party left their phone down and didn't keep picking
> it up and putting it down it should have cleared after about 5 minutes.


Which answers the question I've just asked!!!!!!! Thanks.

Tim
>
> --
> xCx
> *Disclaimer* My opinions are mine and I do not represent anyone or any
> company.



 
Old 26-11-2007, 07:41 AM   #6
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Re: Phone left 'off the hook'

"Tim Rogers" <nospam@sapm.net> wrote in message
news:5mp1oqFegqrdU1@mid.individual.net...
>
> "tony sayer" <tony@bancom.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:W7YGApFfz0BHFwPF@bancom.co.uk...
>> In article <5movhuFekv8eU1@mid.individual.net>, Tim Rogers
>> <nospam@sapm.net> scribeth thus
>>>Yesterday afternoon my wife made a phone call to a friend.
>>>
>>>In the other room my daughter (3 years old!) Picked up thr other phone
>>>and
>>>left it off the hook (didn't discover this until about 7pm last night.
>>>
>>>Does this mean that I'll be charged for a 4 hour phone call (ouch!) even
>>>though the person at the other end has ended the call?
>>>
>>>I know that if I put the phone down in one room and then pick it up in
>>>another the call is maintained and this is what is worrying me!!!
>>>
>>>Tim
>>>
>>>

>>
>> If this is another phone across your "own" line then No...
>>
>> If the other party had left theirs of the hook as well then Yes..
>> --

>
> No the other party did 'hang up' How long does the connection stay open
> for. Must be a few minutes I'd have thought. Allows you to put the phone
> down in one room and pick it up in another.


If you are the recipient of a call where the originator forgot to hang up,
is there a way of forcing the line to be dropped without waiting the
(seemingly interminable) time for the exchange to clear the call?

When my grandma had a stroke a few years ago, she rang me for help but
forgot to hang up. The line didn't clear for ages, during which time I was
champing at the bit waiting to be able to ring 999 to get an ambulance to go
to her house (I lived about 50 miles away).

Eventually I had to wake the people up next door to use their phone - it was
in the days before I had a mobile.

Does the act of picking up the recipient's phone again to see if the line is
clear yet start the timer all over again?


It's interesting that the originator can put one phone down and then (within
a hort space of time) pick up another one, because I only discovered this a
couple of years ago. Up until then I'd done what my parents had always done
which was to leave the original phone off-hook, pick up the second phone and
then go back to put the original phone back on-hook before returning to the
second one to continue the call - because I didn't know that the system
retained the call. Unless someone tells you about this feature, you never
find out because you don't want to try it if there's a risk that you'll lose
the call ;-)


 
Old 26-11-2007, 07:42 AM   #7
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Re: Phone left 'off the hook'

"Mortimer" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:13gel9sm6i2p2e6@corp.supernews.com...
> "Tim Rogers" <nospam@sapm.net> wrote in message
> news:5mp1oqFegqrdU1@mid.individual.net...
>>

> It's interesting that the originator can put one phone down and then
> (within a hort space of time) pick up another one, because I only
> discovered this a couple of years ago. Up until then I'd done what my
> parents had always done which was to leave the original phone off-hook,
> pick up the second phone and then go back to put the original phone back
> on-hook before returning to the second one to continue the call - because
> I didn't know that the system retained the call. Unless someone tells you
> about this feature, you never find out because you don't want to try it if
> there's a risk that you'll lose the call ;-)


"It's interesting that the originator can put one phone down..."

Sorry, I meant "recipient", not "originator".


 
Old 26-11-2007, 07:42 AM   #8
Andrew Gabriel
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Re: Phone left 'off the hook'

In article <13gel9sm6i2p2e6@corp.supernews.com>,
"Mortimer" <me@privacy.net> writes:
>
> If you are the recipient of a call where the originator forgot to hang up,
> is there a way of forcing the line to be dropped without waiting the
> (seemingly interminable) time for the exchange to clear the call?


Yes. Do a hook-flash to get a new dialling tone, and then hang-up.
The exchange will ring you back to reconnect the original call, but
only for a few seconds before giving up and disconnecting the call.

> When my grandma had a stroke a few years ago, she rang me for help but
> forgot to hang up. The line didn't clear for ages, during which time I was
> champing at the bit waiting to be able to ring 999 to get an ambulance to go
> to her house (I lived about 50 miles away).
>
> Eventually I had to wake the people up next door to use their phone - it was
> in the days before I had a mobile.
>
> Does the act of picking up the recipient's phone again to see if the line is
> clear yet start the timer all over again?


Yes.

> It's interesting that the recipient can put one phone down and then (within
> a hort space of time) pick up another one, because I only discovered this a
> couple of years ago. Up until then I'd done what my parents had always done
> which was to leave the original phone off-hook, pick up the second phone and
> then go back to put the original phone back on-hook before returning to the
> second one to continue the call - because I didn't know that the system
> retained the call. Unless someone tells you about this feature, you never
> find out because you don't want to try it if there's a risk that you'll lose
> the call ;-)


The called and calling party disconnect timers are different.
They can also be varied by who is being called. The called
party disconnect timer was traditionally shorter on international
calls. The calling party disconnect timer is either disabled or
very long on 999 calls, so once the call is answered, you can't
hang up and disconnect the call, only the operator can.

--
Andrew Gabriel
[email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup]
 
Old 26-11-2007, 07:42 AM   #9
Mortimer
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Re: Phone left 'off the hook'

"Andrew Gabriel" <andrew@cucumber.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:4707594e$0$645$5a6aecb4@news.aaisp.net.uk...
> In article <13gel9sm6i2p2e6@corp.supernews.com>,
> "Mortimer" <me@privacy.net> writes:
>>
>> If you are the recipient of a call where the originator forgot to hang
>> up,
>> is there a way of forcing the line to be dropped without waiting the
>> (seemingly interminable) time for the exchange to clear the call?

>
> Yes. Do a hook-flash to get a new dialling tone, and then hang-up.
> The exchange will ring you back to reconnect the original call, but
> only for a few seconds before giving up and disconnecting the call.


Has that always been the case? On the two occasions when it's happened to
me, both some time in the 1990s, doing a hook-flash had no effect: I didn't
get a dialling tone but instead was just reconnected to the call.

Is there some minimum/maximum time that the phone should go on-hook before
going off-hook again, to force the new dialling tone - like the limits on
the time between mouse-clicks for a double-click to be recognised?

For people who forget to put the phone back, there ought to be a way for the
recipient to make the originator's phone emit a loud noise from the earpiece
to attract their attention - to convey the message "Oi! Replace the f-ing
handset!".


 
Old 26-11-2007, 07:42 AM   #10
KPW
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Re: Phone left 'off the hook'

On Sat, 06 Oct 2007 10:10:51 +0100, xCx <xcx@bigfoot.com> wrote:

>Tim Rogers wrote:
>> Yesterday afternoon my wife made a phone call to a friend.
>>
>> In the other room my daughter (3 years old!) Picked up thr other phone and
>> left it off the hook (didn't discover this until about 7pm last night.
>>
>> Does this mean that I'll be charged for a 4 hour phone call (ouch!) even
>> though the person at the other end has ended the call?
>>
>> I know that if I put the phone down in one room and then pick it up in
>> another the call is maintained and this is what is worrying me!!!
>>
>> Tim
>>
>>

>
>As long as the other party left their phone down and didn't
>keep picking it up and putting it down it should have cleared
>after about 5 minutes.


SIN 351 says between two and three minutes.
 
 

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