ISDN30e Excess Construction Charges

Jono

JW brought next idea :
> Jono wrote:
>> Any CPs in here also suffering from Openreach imposing hefty excess
>> construction charges on new ISDN30e installs?
>>
>>
>
> Is this for a site which needs new fibre?

Spot on. It seems EVERY site, though admittedly not a terribly
representative sample, require fibre.

JW

Jono wrote:
> Any CPs in here also suffering from Openreach imposing hefty excess
> construction charges on new ISDN30e installs?
>
>

Is this for a site which needs new fibre?

Jono

JW brought next idea :
> Jono wrote:
>> Any CPs in here also suffering from Openreach imposing hefty excess
>> construction charges on new ISDN30e installs?
>>
>>
>
> Is this for a site which needs new fibre?

Spot on. It seems EVERY site, though admittedly not a terribly
representative sample, require fibre.

JW

Jono wrote:
> Any CPs in here also suffering from Openreach imposing hefty excess
> construction charges on new ISDN30e installs?
>
>

Is this for a site which needs new fibre?

Jono

JW brought next idea :
> Jono wrote:
>> Any CPs in here also suffering from Openreach imposing hefty excess
>> construction charges on new ISDN30e installs?
>>
>>
>
> Is this for a site which needs new fibre?

Spot on. It seems EVERY site, though admittedly not a terribly
representative sample, require fibre.

JW

Jono wrote:
> JW brought next idea :
>> Jono wrote:
>>> Any CPs in here also suffering from Openreach imposing hefty excess
>>> construction charges on new ISDN30e installs?
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Is this for a site which needs new fibre?
>
> Spot on. It seems EVERY site, though admittedly not a terribly
> representative sample, require fibre.
>
>

The copper delivery system (CWSS) has a distance limit of 3
to 4 km and can use existing network. Further than that,
fibre cable will be needed. I suppose "old" BT used to
swallow the network costs but Openreach may need to be much
more transparent. In future, we may need to think about
using multiple ISDN2e for some sites.

An order for data services might trigger the fibre
installation. BT sometimes does free installs on
Megastream, for instance.

JW

Jono wrote:
> JW brought next idea :
>> Jono wrote:
>>> Any CPs in here also suffering from Openreach imposing hefty excess
>>> construction charges on new ISDN30e installs?
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Is this for a site which needs new fibre?
>
> Spot on. It seems EVERY site, though admittedly not a terribly
> representative sample, require fibre.
>
>

The copper delivery system (CWSS) has a distance limit of 3
to 4 km and can use existing network. Further than that,
fibre cable will be needed. I suppose "old" BT used to
swallow the network costs but Openreach may need to be much
more transparent. In future, we may need to think about
using multiple ISDN2e for some sites.

An order for data services might trigger the fibre
installation. BT sometimes does free installs on
Megastream, for instance.

Jono

JW explained on 10/12/2007 :
> Jono wrote:
>> JW brought next idea :
>>> Jono wrote:
>>>> Any CPs in here also suffering from Openreach imposing hefty excess
>>>> construction charges on new ISDN30e installs?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Is this for a site which needs new fibre?
>>
>> Spot on. It seems EVERY site, though admittedly not a terribly
>> representative sample, require fibre.
>>
>>
>
> The copper delivery system (CWSS) has a distance limit of 3 to 4 km and can
> use existing network.

Interesting. At least one site that I'm having a problem with is less
than that distance.

> Further than that, fibre cable will be needed. I
> suppose "old" BT used to swallow the network costs

I think you're right.

> but Openreach may need to
> be much more transparent.

And again.

> In future, we may need to think about using
> multiple ISDN2e for some sites.

That is certainly how I've had to go. There is a plus side - the per
channel rental cost of ISDN2e is a fair bit less than ISDN30e.

> An order for data services might trigger the fibre installation. BT
> sometimes does free installs on Megastream, for instance.

Hmm.

alexd

On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 21:05:04 +0000, Jono wrote:

> JW explained on 10/12/2007 :

>> In future, we may need to think about using multiple ISDN2e for some
>> sites.
>
> That is certainly how I've had to go. There is a plus side - the per
> channel rental cost of ISDN2e is a fair bit less than ISDN30e.

This one's a bit of a puzzler. Surely the number of channels per pair
[let's just say we're talking about copper here] and therefore the cost
to BT is lower on PRI than BRI?

Why the difference? Is this licensing costs from BT's switch supplier
[seems unlikely] or something forced on them by the regulator, or what?

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Jono

JW explained on 10/12/2007 :
> Jono wrote:
>> JW brought next idea :
>>> Jono wrote:
>>>> Any CPs in here also suffering from Openreach imposing hefty excess
>>>> construction charges on new ISDN30e installs?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Is this for a site which needs new fibre?
>>
>> Spot on. It seems EVERY site, though admittedly not a terribly
>> representative sample, require fibre.
>>
>>
>
> The copper delivery system (CWSS) has a distance limit of 3 to 4 km and can
> use existing network.

Interesting. At least one site that I'm having a problem with is less
than that distance.

> Further than that, fibre cable will be needed. I
> suppose "old" BT used to swallow the network costs

I think you're right.

> but Openreach may need to
> be much more transparent.

And again.

> In future, we may need to think about using
> multiple ISDN2e for some sites.

That is certainly how I've had to go. There is a plus side - the per
channel rental cost of ISDN2e is a fair bit less than ISDN30e.

> An order for data services might trigger the fibre installation. BT
> sometimes does free installs on Megastream, for instance.

Hmm.