ISDN30e Excess Construction Charges

Jono

alexd explained on 10/12/2007 :
> On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 21:05:04 +0000, Jono wrote:
>
>> JW explained on 10/12/2007 :
>
>>> In future, we may need to think about using multiple ISDN2e for some
>>> sites.
>>
>> That is certainly how I've had to go. There is a plus side - the per
>> channel rental cost of ISDN2e is a fair bit less than ISDN30e.
>
> This one's a bit of a puzzler. Surely the number of channels per pair
> [let's just say we're talking about copper here] and therefore the cost
> to BT is lower on PRI than BRI?

Absolutely. 8 channels of BRI uses 4 pairs, whereas the same on PRI
would use just 2.

The Wholesale cost of a pair of ISDN2 channels is £55 per quarter -
£27.50 per channel.

The Wholesale cost of an ISDN30 channel is £35.25.

On the flip side, DDIs are cheaper on ISDN30 - £0.52 per quarter each,
as opposed to £1.09 per quarter on ISDN2e.

The price of installation of 8 ISDN2 channels is approximately the same
as the standard price of 12 ISDN30 channels.


> Why the difference? Is this licensing costs from BT's switch supplier
> [seems unlikely] or something forced on them by the regulator, or what?

Greed?

David Quinton

On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 13:11:29 +0000, JW <jw@privacy.net> wrote:


>The copper delivery system (CWSS) has a distance limit of 3
>to 4 km and can use existing network. Further than that,
>fibre cable will be needed.

As a matter of interest, will they no longer deliver by Microwave?
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David Quinton

On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 13:11:29 +0000, JW <jw@privacy.net> wrote:


>The copper delivery system (CWSS) has a distance limit of 3
>to 4 km and can use existing network. Further than that,
>fibre cable will be needed.

As a matter of interest, will they no longer deliver by Microwave?
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Jono

JW explained on 10/12/2007 :
> Jono wrote:
>> JW brought next idea :
>>> Jono wrote:
>>>> Any CPs in here also suffering from Openreach imposing hefty excess
>>>> construction charges on new ISDN30e installs?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Is this for a site which needs new fibre?
>>
>> Spot on. It seems EVERY site, though admittedly not a terribly
>> representative sample, require fibre.
>>
>>
>
> The copper delivery system (CWSS) has a distance limit of 3 to 4 km and can
> use existing network.

Interesting. At least one site that I'm having a problem with is less
than that distance.

> Further than that, fibre cable will be needed. I
> suppose "old" BT used to swallow the network costs

I think you're right.

> but Openreach may need to
> be much more transparent.

And again.

> In future, we may need to think about using
> multiple ISDN2e for some sites.

That is certainly how I've had to go. There is a plus side - the per
channel rental cost of ISDN2e is a fair bit less than ISDN30e.

> An order for data services might trigger the fibre installation. BT
> sometimes does free installs on Megastream, for instance.

Hmm.

alexd

On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 21:05:04 +0000, Jono wrote:

> JW explained on 10/12/2007 :

>> In future, we may need to think about using multiple ISDN2e for some
>> sites.
>
> That is certainly how I've had to go. There is a plus side - the per
> channel rental cost of ISDN2e is a fair bit less than ISDN30e.

This one's a bit of a puzzler. Surely the number of channels per pair
[let's just say we're talking about copper here] and therefore the cost
to BT is lower on PRI than BRI?

Why the difference? Is this licensing costs from BT's switch supplier
[seems unlikely] or something forced on them by the regulator, or what?

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Jono

alexd explained on 10/12/2007 :
> On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 21:05:04 +0000, Jono wrote:
>
>> JW explained on 10/12/2007 :
>
>>> In future, we may need to think about using multiple ISDN2e for some
>>> sites.
>>
>> That is certainly how I've had to go. There is a plus side - the per
>> channel rental cost of ISDN2e is a fair bit less than ISDN30e.
>
> This one's a bit of a puzzler. Surely the number of channels per pair
> [let's just say we're talking about copper here] and therefore the cost
> to BT is lower on PRI than BRI?

Absolutely. 8 channels of BRI uses 4 pairs, whereas the same on PRI
would use just 2.

The Wholesale cost of a pair of ISDN2 channels is £55 per quarter -
£27.50 per channel.

The Wholesale cost of an ISDN30 channel is £35.25.

On the flip side, DDIs are cheaper on ISDN30 - £0.52 per quarter each,
as opposed to £1.09 per quarter on ISDN2e.

The price of installation of 8 ISDN2 channels is approximately the same
as the standard price of 12 ISDN30 channels.


> Why the difference? Is this licensing costs from BT's switch supplier
> [seems unlikely] or something forced on them by the regulator, or what?

Greed?

David Quinton

On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 13:11:29 +0000, JW <jw@privacy.net> wrote:


>The copper delivery system (CWSS) has a distance limit of 3
>to 4 km and can use existing network. Further than that,
>fibre cable will be needed.

As a matter of interest, will they no longer deliver by Microwave?
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Jono

JW explained on 10/12/2007 :
> Jono wrote:
>> JW brought next idea :
>>> Jono wrote:
>>>> Any CPs in here also suffering from Openreach imposing hefty excess
>>>> construction charges on new ISDN30e installs?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Is this for a site which needs new fibre?
>>
>> Spot on. It seems EVERY site, though admittedly not a terribly
>> representative sample, require fibre.
>>
>>
>
> The copper delivery system (CWSS) has a distance limit of 3 to 4 km and can
> use existing network.

Interesting. At least one site that I'm having a problem with is less
than that distance.

> Further than that, fibre cable will be needed. I
> suppose "old" BT used to swallow the network costs

I think you're right.

> but Openreach may need to
> be much more transparent.

And again.

> In future, we may need to think about using
> multiple ISDN2e for some sites.

That is certainly how I've had to go. There is a plus side - the per
channel rental cost of ISDN2e is a fair bit less than ISDN30e.

> An order for data services might trigger the fibre installation. BT
> sometimes does free installs on Megastream, for instance.

Hmm.

alexd

On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 21:05:04 +0000, Jono wrote:

> JW explained on 10/12/2007 :

>> In future, we may need to think about using multiple ISDN2e for some
>> sites.
>
> That is certainly how I've had to go. There is a plus side - the per
> channel rental cost of ISDN2e is a fair bit less than ISDN30e.

This one's a bit of a puzzler. Surely the number of channels per pair
[let's just say we're talking about copper here] and therefore the cost
to BT is lower on PRI than BRI?

Why the difference? Is this licensing costs from BT's switch supplier
[seems unlikely] or something forced on them by the regulator, or what?

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21:18:03 up 29 days, 9:57, 2 users, load average: 0.08, 0.14, 0.09
Convergence, n: The act of using separate DSL circuits for voice and data

Jono

alexd explained on 10/12/2007 :
> On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 21:05:04 +0000, Jono wrote:
>
>> JW explained on 10/12/2007 :
>
>>> In future, we may need to think about using multiple ISDN2e for some
>>> sites.
>>
>> That is certainly how I've had to go. There is a plus side - the per
>> channel rental cost of ISDN2e is a fair bit less than ISDN30e.
>
> This one's a bit of a puzzler. Surely the number of channels per pair
> [let's just say we're talking about copper here] and therefore the cost
> to BT is lower on PRI than BRI?

Absolutely. 8 channels of BRI uses 4 pairs, whereas the same on PRI
would use just 2.

The Wholesale cost of a pair of ISDN2 channels is £55 per quarter -
£27.50 per channel.

The Wholesale cost of an ISDN30 channel is £35.25.

On the flip side, DDIs are cheaper on ISDN30 - £0.52 per quarter each,
as opposed to £1.09 per quarter on ISDN2e.

The price of installation of 8 ISDN2 channels is approximately the same
as the standard price of 12 ISDN30 channels.


> Why the difference? Is this licensing costs from BT's switch supplier
> [seems unlikely] or something forced on them by the regulator, or what?

Greed?