Unhappy with new phone

Andy Burns

On 10/12/2007 10:32, wrote:

> David Taylor <.uk> wrote:
>
>> A clock that works without mains power _or_ batteries?
>
> It's called a button cell,

That isn't WITHOUT batteries is it?

tinnews@isbd.co.uk

Andy Burns <.uk> wrote:
> On 10/12/2007 10:32, wrote:
>
> > David Taylor <.uk> wrote:
> >
> >> A clock that works without mains power _or_ batteries?
> >
> > It's called a button cell,
>
> That isn't WITHOUT batteries is it?
>
..... and where did I say "without batteries"?

--
Chris Green

Andy Burns

On 10/12/2007 12:15, wrote:

> Andy Burns <.uk> wrote:
>> On 10/12/2007 10:32, wrote:
>>
>>> David Taylor <.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>> A clock that works without mains power _or_ batteries?
>>> It's called a button cell,
>> That isn't WITHOUT batteries is it?
>>
> .... and where did I say "without batteries"?

You didn't, but the post you replied to did, perhaps you ought to have
replied to an earlier message in the thread?

David Taylor

On 2007-12-10, <.uk> wrote:
> David Taylor <.uk> wrote:
>> On 2007-12-08, <.uk> wrote:
>> > Nowhere <.uk> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I have checked and it seems that in fact the phone directory is saved
>> >> but the date/time is lost Why this should be I do not know
>> >>
>> > That odd stupidity seems common to lots of equipment. We have a Sony
>> > stereo that remembers *all* of its settings except the time when it
>> > loses power. The most annoying bit is that (like videos) the time
>> > flashes at you when the power comes back.
>> >
>> > OK, so you can't "remember" the time, you need a chip that will keep
>> > ticking as it were but it surely can't be all that difficult.
>>
>> A clock that works without mains power _or_ batteries? It is
>> very difficult.
>>
>> Invent one, and become very rich...
>>
>> (No springs allowed, either)
>>
> It's called a button cell, just about every PC has had this ability
> since the IBM PC appeared (15 or 20 years?).

Bzzt. Try reading what I write next time.

> Your PC doesn't forget
> the time when you turn it off does it!

Well no, but it has a battery in it.

The phone in question won't lose the time either, if it has a backup
battery in it.

--
David Taylor

David Taylor

On 2007-12-10, <.uk> wrote:
> Andy Burns <.uk> wrote:
>> On 10/12/2007 10:32, wrote:
>>
>> > David Taylor <.uk> wrote:
>> >
>> >> A clock that works without mains power _or_ batteries?
>> >
>> > It's called a button cell,
>>
>> That isn't WITHOUT batteries is it?
>>
> .... and where did I say "without batteries"?

Er?

You said "It's called a button cell" in response to "A clock that
works without mains power _or_ batteries?".

What exactly _did_ you mean?

--
David Taylor

David Taylor

On 2007-12-10, <.uk> wrote:
> David Taylor <.uk> wrote:
>> On 2007-12-08, <.uk> wrote:
>> > Nowhere <.uk> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I have checked and it seems that in fact the phone directory is saved
>> >> but the date/time is lost Why this should be I do not know
>> >>
>> > That odd stupidity seems common to lots of equipment. We have a Sony
>> > stereo that remembers *all* of its settings except the time when it
>> > loses power. The most annoying bit is that (like videos) the time
>> > flashes at you when the power comes back.
>> >
>> > OK, so you can't "remember" the time, you need a chip that will keep
>> > ticking as it were but it surely can't be all that difficult.
>>
>> A clock that works without mains power _or_ batteries? It is
>> very difficult.
>>
>> Invent one, and become very rich...
>>
>> (No springs allowed, either)
>>
> It's called a button cell, just about every PC has had this ability
> since the IBM PC appeared (15 or 20 years?).

Bzzt. Try reading what I write next time.

> Your PC doesn't forget
> the time when you turn it off does it!

Well no, but it has a battery in it.

The phone in question won't lose the time either, if it has a backup
battery in it.

--
David Taylor

David Taylor

On 2007-12-10, <.uk> wrote:
> Andy Burns <.uk> wrote:
>> On 10/12/2007 10:32, wrote:
>>
>> > David Taylor <.uk> wrote:
>> >
>> >> A clock that works without mains power _or_ batteries?
>> >
>> > It's called a button cell,
>>
>> That isn't WITHOUT batteries is it?
>>
> .... and where did I say "without batteries"?

Er?

You said "It's called a button cell" in response to "A clock that
works without mains power _or_ batteries?".

What exactly _did_ you mean?

--
David Taylor

alexd

On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 10:32:34 +0000, tinnews wrote:

> It's called a button cell, just about every PC has had this ability
> since the IBM PC appeared (15 or 20 years?). Your PC doesn't forget the
> time when you turn it off does it!
>
> My latest camera doesn't either (it says it will keep the time going for
> 24 hours or so).

If it's only 24 hours or so, then it's probably a supercap, not a button
cell.

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alexd

On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 10:32:34 +0000, tinnews wrote:

> It's called a button cell, just about every PC has had this ability
> since the IBM PC appeared (15 or 20 years?). Your PC doesn't forget the
> time when you turn it off does it!
>
> My latest camera doesn't either (it says it will keep the time going for
> 24 hours or so).

If it's only 24 hours or so, then it's probably a supercap, not a button
cell.

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tinnews@isbd.co.uk

David Taylor <.uk> wrote:
> On 2007-12-10, <.uk> wrote:
> > Andy Burns <.uk> wrote:
> >> On 10/12/2007 10:32, wrote:
> >>
> >> > David Taylor <.uk> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> A clock that works without mains power _or_ batteries?
> >> >
> >> > It's called a button cell,
> >>
> >> That isn't WITHOUT batteries is it?
> >>
> > .... and where did I say "without batteries"?
>
> Er?
>
> You said "It's called a button cell" in response to "A clock that
> works without mains power _or_ batteries?".
>
> What exactly _did_ you mean?
>
.... that I wanted my radio (video, whatever) to remember the time as I
originally said. I don't mind in the slightest *how* it does it! As
I said PCs manage very well to do what I want.

--
Chris Green