Mark Crispin

On Sun, 21 Oct 2007, Mitch wrote:
>> Even a few more intelligent fanboys have figured out that for the price of
>> an iPhone, they can get an unlocked phone (that performs better as a
>> phone)
> Significantly better? Or hardly better at all?

Yes, signficantly better.

iPhone's RF performance and audio quality is mediocre compared to other
GSM phones or most CDMA phones. Its data performance is far below CDMA or
3G phones.

-- Mark --

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Si vis pacem, para bellum.

Mark Crispin

On Sun, 21 Oct 2007, Mitch wrote:
>> PLUS a Nokia N800 (that performs better as an Internet access
>> device AND allows you to load your own software since it's Linux based).
> But which is huge and heavy and expensive.

Have you ever used a Nokia N800? Or are you confusing it with a UMPC?

The N800 is available at Amazon for $258. That's $141 cheaper than an
iPhone. And the N800 can run Skype.

UMPC prices are coming down, although they are still at least twice as
costly as iPhones. But for that price you get a full Windows system with
four times the screen solution of iPhone. And you can run Skype.

-- Mark --

http://staff.washington.edu/mrc
Science does not emerge from voting, party politics, or public debate.
Si vis pacem, para bellum.

ZnU

In article
<alpine.WNT.0.9999.0710211931270.4932@Shimo-Tomobiki.Panda.COM>,
Mark Crispin <MRC@CAC.Washington.EDU> wrote:

> On Sun, 21 Oct 2007, Mitch wrote:
> >> Exactly. The iPhone isn't primarily targeted at the business smartphone
> >> market. It's targeted primarily at the much larger consumer market.
> > And I think most of us are scratching our heads wondering why Mark is
> > decrying it as a poor business tool. It's like running into a theater
> > and yelling that it's a bad restaurant.
>
> Apple fanboys (such as Oxford) pollute our newsgroups saying otherwise.
> We are responding by posting the truth in the Apple fanboy newsgroup.

Fortunately, Oxford is basically one of a kind. Unfortunately, he posts
under about a half dozen different names.

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Oxford

Mark Crispin <MRC@CAC.Washington.EDU> wrote:

> We in the Verizon newsgroup DO NOT CARE about your overpriced locked
> GSM-only (no 3G) phone. Either knock it off, or get more iPhone trashing
> in your newsgroup.

mark, why so angry? it's clear by now the iPhone completely reshapes the
cell industry. nobody disagrees with that, but for you to be so "angry"
about this change is perplexing.

change is good! just think when nokia starts to catch up to Apple's
level of skill, then even their users will get excited about cell
phones. but as it stands now, nokia and others are 3-4 years behind
Apple. have you seen the N800, wow, what a slow, heavy boat anchor!

when discussing modern trends, you need to learn apple is a very
DISRUPTIVE company, there isn't a thing you can do about it but join the
party.

you have the talent, so get ready for full development to start on the
iPhone in February!

http://digg.com/apple/CONFIRMED_Real..._February_2008

nospamatall

Mitch wrote:
> In article <znu-B88F85.18161521102007@news.individual.net>, ZnU
> <znu@fake.invalid> wrote:
>
>>> An iPod is a toy for teenagers and college kids.
>> The iPod demographic is considerably broader than that.
> Well, sure, it isn't _only_ for teens and collegians. But what hge said
> is right -- he's just wrongly trying to couch that as a bad thing.
>
> Mark, it's a very good thing that it is applied so well to that market,
> since it's an important market for music players. See?
>
>>> It is not a business tool.
>> Exactly. The iPhone isn't primarily targeted at the business smartphone
>> market. It's targeted primarily at the much larger consumer market.
>
> And I think most of us are scratching our heads wondering why Mark is
> decrying it as a poor business tool. It's like running into a theater
> and yelling that it's a bad restaurant.

I think most of these whingers are just pissed because their boss
wouldn't buy them one.

nospamatall

Mark Crispin wrote:
> On Sun, 21 Oct 2007, Mitch wrote:
>>> Exactly. The iPhone isn't primarily targeted at the business smartphone
>>> market. It's targeted primarily at the much larger consumer market.
>> And I think most of us are scratching our heads wondering why Mark is
>> decrying it as a poor business tool. It's like running into a theater
>> and yelling that it's a bad restaurant.
>
> Apple fanboys (such as Oxford) pollute our newsgroups saying otherwise.
> We are responding by posting the truth in the Apple fanboy newsgroup.

Thus showing yourself to be no better.

> Or, to use your metaphor, the fanboys are running into our restaurant
> and saying that it's a bad theater.
>
> We in the Verizon newsgroup DO NOT CARE about your overpriced locked
> GSM-only (no 3G) phone. Either knock it off, or get more iPhone
> trashing in your newsgroup.
>
> -- Mark --
>
> http://staff.washington.edu/mrc
> Science does not emerge from voting, party politics, or public debate.
> Si vis pacem, para bellum.

What a pretentious mail sig!

Steve Sobol

["Followup-To:" header set to alt.cellular.verizon.]
On 2007-10-22, nospamatall <nospamatall@iol.ie> wrote:

>> http://staff.washington.edu/mrc
>> Science does not emerge from voting, party politics, or public debate.
>> Si vis pacem, para bellum.
>
> What a pretentious mail sig!

That's all you can say?

No one wants to hear about the iPhone in the Verizon group because Verizon
customers can't run an iPhone on Verizon's network. Verizon is CDMA, Alltel
is CDMA, Sprint is CDMA, all 100% incompatible with GSM phones, yet I see
the iPhone trolls trolling all three of those newsgroups.


--
Steve Sobol, Victorville, CA PGP:0xE3AE35ED www.SteveSobol.com

nospamatall

Steve Sobol wrote:
> ["Followup-To:" header set to alt.cellular.verizon.]
> On 2007-10-22, nospamatall <nospamatall@iol.ie> wrote:
>
>>> http://staff.washington.edu/mrc
>>> Science does not emerge from voting, party politics, or public debate.
>>> Si vis pacem, para bellum.
>> What a pretentious mail sig!
>
> That's all you can say?
>
> No one wants to hear about the iPhone in the Verizon group because Verizon
> customers can't run an iPhone on Verizon's network. Verizon is CDMA, Alltel
> is CDMA, Sprint is CDMA, all 100% incompatible with GSM phones, yet I see
> the iPhone trolls trolling all three of those newsgroups.
>

Yeah, I've no idea why anyone would start a thread about iphones in a
verizon group. Bizarre. What I found annoying was that someone there
threatens to retalite by posting stuff to mac.advocacy group, which is
just another group of people, most of whom have nothing whatsoever to do
with whomever it was that started the thread.

Also I don't understand what that trolling can achieve. Seems a stupid
thing all round. Unless they are working for the competition...
Andy

Mark Crispin

On Mon, 22 Oct 2007, nospamatall wrote:
>> And I think most of us are scratching our heads wondering why Mark is
>> decrying it as a poor business tool. It's like running into a theater
>> and yelling that it's a bad restaurant.
> I think most of these whingers are just pissed because their boss
> wouldn't buy them one.

I was offered one. I turned it down. I have no need for one.

I generally buy my own gadgets, so I don't have to worry about whether
about "authorized use" for a work-purchased gadget.

If it were to buy yet another handheld gadget, it would be a Nokia N800 or
possibly N810. Amazon sells the N800 for $260. It's Linux, hence open
source, and unlike iPhone there's an SDK for it now. It also has much
better screen resolution (800x480) than iPhone (320x480), so it's a much
more practical platform for ported applications.

My current handheld gadget is a Sony UX280P UMPC. It is somewhat larger
and quite a bit thicker than an iPhone or N800, but it has a 1024x600
screen resolution and runs Windows XP (or Vista).

-- Mark --

http://staff.washington.edu/mrc
Science does not emerge from voting, party politics, or public debate.
Si vis pacem, para bellum.

Ness Net

"Oxford" <colalovesmacs@smart.com> wrote in message
news:colalovesmacs-8BC690.21495121102007@mpls-nnrp-03.inet.qwest.net...
>>
> change is good! just think when nokia starts to catch up to Apple's
> level of skill, then even their users will get excited about cell
> phones. but as it stands now, nokia and others are 3-4 years behind
> Apple. have you seen the N800, wow, what a slow, heavy boat anchor!
>

http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/071025/20071025005708.html?.v=1

Nokia posted its second consecutive quarter of 100+ million units, and
shipped more units than the next three vendors combined

http://crave.cnet.com/8301-1_105-980...eed&subj=Crave

Nokia remains the king of the cell phone world and it shows no signs of
being pushed from its throne anytime soon

Apple / iPhone isn't even mentioned. NOT in the top 5.