Ken

Please guys get off this newsgroup with the iphone garbage.

none

Ken <kfredstrom@cox.net> wrote:

> Please guys get off this newsgroup with the iphone garbage.

Well, you'll have to put up with it for the next couple decades. Once
Apple enters a market, everything changes in that market. So best plan
for you and others is to learn all you can about the iPhone, so once
Verizon is allowed to sell it, you'll be up to speed.

Here is where you can buy one before Verzion gets it:

http://www.apple.com/iphone/buy/

http://www.wireless.att.com/find-a-store/iphone/

---

Ness_net

Fuck off Oxford....

More unwanted Oxford fanboy shit.

"none" <a@bc.com> wrote in message news:a-ADD78C.23271620102007@mpls-nnrp-02.inet.qwest.net...
> Ken <kfredstrom@cox.net> wrote:
>
>> Please guys get off this newsgroup with the iphone garbage.
>
> Well, you'll have to put up with it for the next couple decades. Once
> Apple enters a market, everything changes in that market. So best plan
> for you and others is to learn all you can about the iPhone, so once
> Verizon is allowed to sell it, you'll be up to speed.
>
> Here is where you can buy one before Verzion gets it:
>
> http://www.apple.com/iphone/buy/
>
> http://www.wireless.att.com/find-a-store/iphone/
>
> ---

Mark Crispin

[Adding the Apple fanboy newsgroup, since Apple fanboys are haranguing us
about iPhone on alt.cellular.verizon.]

On Sat, 20 Oct 2007, none wrote:
> Well, you'll have to put up with it for the next couple decades. Once
> Apple enters a market, everything changes in that market. So best plan
> for you and others is to learn all you can about the iPhone, so once
> Verizon is allowed to sell it, you'll be up to speed.

The reason why you are doing this is because reality has started to set
in. iPhone sales are dropping. All the fanboys who wanted one now have
one, and all the local AT&T stores have a huge inventory of unsold
iPhones.

The vast majority of mobile phone users issued a collective yawn over an
overpriced, locked, GSM-only phone which lacks the basic capabilities of a
smartphone (necessary for business use).

Even a few more intelligent fanboys have figured out that for the price of
an iPhone, they can get an unlocked phone (that performs better as a
phone) PLUS a Nokia N800 (that performs better as an Internet access
device AND allows you to load your own software since it's Linux based).

Then there are the fanboys who took their iPhone to a foreign country,
then came home to find an AT&T bill for THOUSANDS of dollars even though
they never placed any calls. Their iPhone ran that up in packet charges
while checking for mail! [Hey Apple, there's a reason why mobile phones
use Push. If you're gonna use Pull protocols, you have to use it the way
that Pull was intended.]

-- Mark --

http://panda.com/mrc
Democracy is two wolves and a sheep deciding what to eat for lunch.
Liberty is a well-armed sheep contesting the vote.

none

Mark Crispin <MRC@Panda.COM> wrote:

> The reason why you are doing this is because reality has started to set
> in. iPhone sales are dropping. All the fanboys who wanted one now have
> one, and all the local AT&T stores have a huge inventory of unsold
> iPhones.

you sure are getting desperate Mark. Actually, iPhone sales are rising
greatly, 1,100,000 in the last 90 days alone! By Christmas that number
will be around, 3,500,000 and the number ONE seller of all cell phones.

AT&T isn't allowed to keep more than a week of inventory. Apple won't
let them, so by default you are wrong. It's AT&T No. ONE seller, think
about it!

http://informationweek.com/blog/main...er_the_iph.htm
l

http://blog.wired.com/business/2007/...-gains-on.html

> The vast majority of mobile phone users issued a collective yawn over an
> overpriced, locked, GSM-only phone which lacks the basic capabilities of a
> smartphone (necessary for business use).

Nope, that simply never happened, the talk of the entire cell world is
all about the iPhone and what they must do to catch up.

> Even a few more intelligent fanboys have figured out that for the price of
> an iPhone, they can get an unlocked phone (that performs better as a
> phone) PLUS a Nokia N800 (that performs better as an Internet access
> device AND allows you to load your own software since it's Linux based).

Price of an iPhone is only $399, no other smartphone has this many
features for such a low price. Yes, unlocked iPhone appear next month in
France, then Germany might get them as well. The N800 is a baby toy
compared to the iPhone. The graphics alone make it look like it came
from the mid 90's. How embarrassing!

> Then there are the fanboys who took their iPhone to a foreign country,
> then came home to find an AT&T bill for THOUSANDS of dollars even though
> they never placed any calls.

That wasn't Apple's fault, it wasn't anyone's fault except customers
that didn't understand AT&T policies. Now all iPhones have an
"International" mode which you can flick on/off if you are traveling
overseas. Problem solved.

> Their iPhone ran that up in packet charges
> while checking for mail! [Hey Apple, there's a reason why mobile phones
> use Push. If you're gonna use Pull protocols, you have to use it the way
> that Pull was intended.]

Yes, and your friend IMAP can be enabled on the iPhone, it's just many
customers don't have that set up that way. That's YOUR fault, not
Apple's.

The iPhone is the greatest electronic device released in the last 20
years, so when you move up to one you'll quit bitching and join the
"modern" world.

http://www.apple.com/iphone/

http://www.apple.com/iphone/easysetup/rateplans.html

-

ZnU

In article <alpine.OSX.0.9999.0710211017570.2841@pangtzu.pand a.com>,
Mark Crispin <MRC@Panda.COM> wrote:

> [Adding the Apple fanboy newsgroup, since Apple fanboys are haranguing us
> about iPhone on alt.cellular.verizon.]
>
> On Sat, 20 Oct 2007, none wrote:
> > Well, you'll have to put up with it for the next couple decades. Once
> > Apple enters a market, everything changes in that market. So best plan
> > for you and others is to learn all you can about the iPhone, so once
> > Verizon is allowed to sell it, you'll be up to speed.
>
> The reason why you are doing this is because reality has started to set
> in. iPhone sales are dropping. All the fanboys who wanted one now have
> one, and all the local AT&T stores have a huge inventory of unsold
> iPhones.

Of course, you don't actually have any information about iPhone
inventories or sales.

> The vast majority of mobile phone users issued a collective yawn over an
> overpriced, locked, GSM-only phone which lacks the basic capabilities of a
> smartphone (necessary for business use).

Another person who misunderstands the iPhone's target market, I see.

> Even a few more intelligent fanboys have figured out that for the price of
> an iPhone, they can get an unlocked phone (that performs better as a
> phone) PLUS a Nokia N800 (that performs better as an Internet access
> device AND allows you to load your own software since it's Linux based).

Does it double as an iPod? (Not as a generic music player. As an iPod.
The market has shown it does not consider these things to be
interchangeable.)

[snip]

--
"More than two decades later, it is hard to imagine the Revolutionary War coming
out any other way."
--George W. Bush in Martinsburg, W. Va., July 4, 2007

Mark Crispin

On Sun, 21 Oct 2007, ZnU wrote:
> Of course, you don't actually have any information about iPhone
> inventories or sales.

Anybody can see the pile of unsold iPhone in boxes, not to mention how the
sales droids are trying to tackle passers-by to come in and buy one.
They're getting desparate.

>> The vast majority of mobile phone users issued a collective yawn over an
>> overpriced, locked, GSM-only phone which lacks the basic capabilities of a
>> smartphone (necessary for business use).
> Another person who misunderstands the iPhone's target market, I see.

No, we understand quite well that the iPhone is aimed at fanboys. It is
you fanboys (most notably, a cretin called "Oxford") that are busy
polluting mobile phone newsgroups with nonsense about how iPhones will
replace smartphones and drive smartphone manufacturers out of business.

Since fanboys want to compare iPhone with smartphones, we'll do so and
show that the iPhone is a piece of crap.

> Does it double as an iPod? (Not as a generic music player. As an iPod.
> The market has shown it does not consider these things to be
> interchangeable.)

An iPod is a toy for teenagers and college kids. It is not a business
tool.

-- Mark --

http://panda.com/mrc
Science does not emerge from voting, party politics, or public debate.
Si vis pacem, para bellum.

Scott

Mark Crispin <MRC@Panda.COM> wrote in
news:alpine.WNT.0.9999.0710211354440.5152@Shimo-Tomobiki.Panda.COM:

> On Sun, 21 Oct 2007, ZnU wrote:
>> Of course, you don't actually have any information about iPhone
>> inventories or sales.
>
> Anybody can see the pile of unsold iPhone in boxes, not to mention how
> the sales droids are trying to tackle passers-by to come in and buy
> one. They're getting desparate.
>
>>> The vast majority of mobile phone users issued a collective yawn
>>> over an overpriced, locked, GSM-only phone which lacks the basic
>>> capabilities of a smartphone (necessary for business use).
>> Another person who misunderstands the iPhone's target market, I see.
>
> No, we understand quite well that the iPhone is aimed at fanboys. It
> is you fanboys (most notably, a cretin called "Oxford") that are busy
> polluting mobile phone newsgroups with nonsense about how iPhones will
> replace smartphones and drive smartphone manufacturers out of
> business.
>
> Since fanboys want to compare iPhone with smartphones, we'll do so and
> show that the iPhone is a piece of crap.
>
>> Does it double as an iPod? (Not as a generic music player. As an
>> iPod. The market has shown it does not consider these things to be
>> interchangeable.)
>
> An iPod is a toy for teenagers and college kids. It is not a business
> tool.
>
> -- Mark --
>
> http://panda.com/mrc
> Science does not emerge from voting, party politics, or public debate.
> Si vis pacem, para bellum.
>

Great post.

ZnU

In article
<alpine.WNT.0.9999.0710211354440.5152@Shimo-Tomobiki.Panda.COM>,
Mark Crispin <MRC@Panda.COM> wrote:

[snip]

> > Does it double as an iPod? (Not as a generic music player. As an
> > iPod. The market has shown it does not consider these things to be
> > interchangeable.)
>
> An iPod is a toy for teenagers and college kids.

The iPod demographic is considerably broader than that.

> It is not a business tool.

Exactly. The iPhone isn't primarily targeted at the business smartphone
market. It's targeted primarily at the much larger consumer market.

Which is why RIM probably shouldn't worry *too* much even though the
iPhone does already appear to be the best selling smartphone in the US.
Most of that is probably coming from growing the smartphone market, not
from the existing players.

--
"More than two decades later, it is hard to imagine the Revolutionary War coming
out any other way."
--George W. Bush in Martinsburg, W. Va., July 4, 2007

Ness_net

Now... repeat the below to Oxford, etc... whatever name de jour...




"ZnU" <znu@fake.invalid> wrote in message news:znu-B88F85.18161521102007@news.individual.net...
>
>> It is not a business tool.
>
> Exactly. The iPhone isn't primarily targeted at the business smartphone
> market. It's targeted primarily at the much larger consumer market.
>
> Which is why RIM probably shouldn't worry *too* much even though the
> iPhone does already appear to be the best selling smartphone in the US.
> Most of that is probably coming from growing the smartphone market, not
> from the existing players.
>