Apple To Own Wireless 700Mhz Network

DTC

Oxford wrote:
> As this network is already built out for analogue TV, it will cost
> little to change things for Wimaxx.

False...There is no such thing as a "network already built out".

> Instant nationwide network that goes
> through walls way easier than any other Mhz band.

False...There is no such thing as an "instant network".

> So reception is
> better, distance travels longer and

False (in your context)...Any distant reception requires a high gain
antenna mounted on a roof in most cases. Unlike the internal antenna of
a cellular handset.

> coverage is nationwide just as
> analogue TV is

False...UHF television coverage is not "nationwide", its mostly in urban
areas.

> and it will cost very little to maintain relative to
> what cell phone companies compete with

False...the backhaul costs to the back bone would be similar.

> you only need 1/4 of the sites
> as the 1.8Ghz that most cell phones use.

False...You're making the simplistic assumption based on signal lever
propagation and ignoring topographic terrain issues.

My gawd...how can you be so clueless.

Larry

Simon Templar <> wrote in news:5q7l4lFukekcU1
@mid.individual.net:

> Great, so another NON-standard allocation will be used in the
US. When
> will you people learn that the US is NOT the centre of the
Universe, you
> screwed yourselves over by going 850MHz GSM rather than the the
rest of
> the world's 900MHz GSM standard. How often does someone in the
US
> complain because their 850MHz device is useless when they
travel?
>
>
>

All these odd modulation schemes and incompatible systems is used
in the USA to prevent, or at least retard, churning, Simon.
There are more SELLular companies than there are customers all
trying to provide minimal service at maximum profits, so the
customers all hate their carrier, as you can easily see on these
newsgroups. So, to prevent customers from jumping ship at the
first opportunity, we invented incompatible phone systems and the
government lawyers at FCC are constantly bribed to allow it,
unlike broadcasting where FCC forces them all to use the same TV
and Radio standards, for instance. So, the American consumer is
screwed and the country is sinking under the weight of dead
SELLphones noone wants or can use. FCC cooperates further
forcing us to "upgrade to GPS", in the name of the bogus
"Homeland Security", the extension of the false flag operation of
9/11, an inside job, not Arabs with boxcutters.

Profits are way up....service is way down. Hell, Verizon doesn't
even provide internet service to its SELLular customers.

73 DE W4CSC



Larry
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Elmo P. Shagnasty

In article <NOJ%i.59$.prodigy.net>,
DTC <> wrote:

> > OK, so that last link is to a forum which, apparently, simply takes the
> > Usenet articles and places them into its forum structure.
>
>
> And your point is? Everything points to you as the poster.

Oxfart posts something here, and when questioned about its source, goes
to that forum and says "but look, it's published elsewhere"--when in
reality that "forum" simply reposts whatever anyone posts to the Usenet.

Elmo P. Shagnasty

In article <NOJ%i.59$.prodigy.net>,
DTC <> wrote:

> > OK, so that last link is to a forum which, apparently, simply takes the
> > Usenet articles and places them into its forum structure.
>
>
> And your point is? Everything points to you as the poster.

Oxfart posts something here, and when questioned about its source, goes
to that forum and says "but look, it's published elsewhere"--when in
reality that "forum" simply reposts whatever anyone posts to the Usenet.

Cubit

The rf spectrum is part of our infrastructure. It should not be taxed by
selling it to the highest bidder. The current process ensures that any use
will be expensive enough to repay the auction price.

Infrastructure needs to be subsidized.


"Oxford" <> wrote in message
news:.qwest.net...
> Well, here's the word. Apple with or without Google/AT&T will bid on the
> 700Mhz spectrum that will be auctioned by the US Government in January
> of 2008. They need to buy about 22 Mhz of the spectrum (60Mhz is being
> sold) to cover the entire country.
>
> Now you understand why Apple didn't want to be locked into the old 3G
> standard.
>
> As you may know, AT&T bought Aloha Partners 700Mhz... about 10 Mhz or
> about half the country. They need more. The market has vastly
> underestimated Steve's influence at AT&T as well as the money Apple is
> getting from AT&T.
>
> The 700Mhz frequency is Gold in the sky! A wireless internet will one
> day be all there is. Whoever owns this beach front property owns the
> cell phone world. And no one will ever sell this to a competitor. Apple
> must buy in or control this area if they are to control their cell phone
> experience. And here's the best part.
>
> As this network is already built out for analogue TV, it will cost
> little to change things for Wimaxx. Instant nationwide network that goes
> through walls way easier than any other Mhz band. So reception is
> better, distance travels longer and coverage is nationwide just as
> analogue TV is...and it will cost very little to maintain relative to
> what cell phone companies compete with... you only need 1/4 of the sites
> as the 1.8Ghz that most cell phones use. So others use a weaker signal
> which equates to more lost calls and static, more sites, higher
> expenses, etc..
>
> Apple could pull of the coup d'etat of the century, if they said, buy
> your cell phone and use our Wimaxx to dial any number in the US and
> receive any call fo the monthly price of $0 for 2 years.... the iPhone
> would be the hottest product even more so than the Razor was... just
> think of a cell that is free for 2 years.. that's huge... what does
> Apple gain from this...they could probably sell 100 million iPhones at
> $299 each over a 2 year period or less and own the cell phone market.
>
> Then charge $50 per month for unlimited calling plans... still a good
> deal... and half or more of that would be profit! At say $30 per month
> multiplied by 100 million iPhones that's 3 billion a month or 36 billion
> per year... or $40 per share in earnings added to whatever else they
> sell... you're talking a stock price over $1,000 a share... maybe even
> $1,500.
>
> If this takes 2-3-4-5 years... that's a 10 bagger! Apple will be the
> largest publicly traded company in the country and own both the computer
> and cell phone market.
>
> ---

Cubit

The rf spectrum is part of our infrastructure. It should not be taxed by
selling it to the highest bidder. The current process ensures that any use
will be expensive enough to repay the auction price.

Infrastructure needs to be subsidized.


"Oxford" <> wrote in message
news:.qwest.net...
> Well, here's the word. Apple with or without Google/AT&T will bid on the
> 700Mhz spectrum that will be auctioned by the US Government in January
> of 2008. They need to buy about 22 Mhz of the spectrum (60Mhz is being
> sold) to cover the entire country.
>
> Now you understand why Apple didn't want to be locked into the old 3G
> standard.
>
> As you may know, AT&T bought Aloha Partners 700Mhz... about 10 Mhz or
> about half the country. They need more. The market has vastly
> underestimated Steve's influence at AT&T as well as the money Apple is
> getting from AT&T.
>
> The 700Mhz frequency is Gold in the sky! A wireless internet will one
> day be all there is. Whoever owns this beach front property owns the
> cell phone world. And no one will ever sell this to a competitor. Apple
> must buy in or control this area if they are to control their cell phone
> experience. And here's the best part.
>
> As this network is already built out for analogue TV, it will cost
> little to change things for Wimaxx. Instant nationwide network that goes
> through walls way easier than any other Mhz band. So reception is
> better, distance travels longer and coverage is nationwide just as
> analogue TV is...and it will cost very little to maintain relative to
> what cell phone companies compete with... you only need 1/4 of the sites
> as the 1.8Ghz that most cell phones use. So others use a weaker signal
> which equates to more lost calls and static, more sites, higher
> expenses, etc..
>
> Apple could pull of the coup d'etat of the century, if they said, buy
> your cell phone and use our Wimaxx to dial any number in the US and
> receive any call fo the monthly price of $0 for 2 years.... the iPhone
> would be the hottest product even more so than the Razor was... just
> think of a cell that is free for 2 years.. that's huge... what does
> Apple gain from this...they could probably sell 100 million iPhones at
> $299 each over a 2 year period or less and own the cell phone market.
>
> Then charge $50 per month for unlimited calling plans... still a good
> deal... and half or more of that would be profit! At say $30 per month
> multiplied by 100 million iPhones that's 3 billion a month or 36 billion
> per year... or $40 per share in earnings added to whatever else they
> sell... you're talking a stock price over $1,000 a share... maybe even
> $1,500.
>
> If this takes 2-3-4-5 years... that's a 10 bagger! Apple will be the
> largest publicly traded company in the country and own both the computer
> and cell phone market.
>
> ---

Steve Sobol

["Followup-To:" header set to alt.cellular.sprintpcs.]
On 2007-11-17, Simon Templar <> wrote:

> Great, so another NON-standard allocation will be used in the US. When
> will you people learn that the US is NOT the centre of the Universe, you
> screwed yourselves over by going 850MHz GSM rather than the the rest of
> the world's 900MHz GSM standard. How often does someone in the US
> complain because their 850MHz device is useless when they travel?

While I agree with you that the usage of different frequencies is stupid
(with the exception of 1900, supposedly because 1800 was already in use
by the military), I would like to point out that every GSM phone I've owned
since switching to T-Mobile USA in 2005 has been a quad-band phone, rendering
that problem irrelevant.


--
Steve Sobol, Victorville, CA PGP:0xE3AE35ED
Geek-for-hire. Details:

Oxford

DTC <> wrote:

> Oxford wrote:
> > As this network is already built out for analogue TV, it will cost
> > little to change things for Wimaxx.
>
> False...There is no such thing as a "network already built out".
>
> > Instant nationwide network that goes
> > through walls way easier than any other Mhz band.
>
> False...There is no such thing as an "instant network".
>
> > So reception is
> > better, distance travels longer and
>
> False (in your context)...Any distant reception requires a high gain
> antenna mounted on a roof in most cases. Unlike the internal antenna of
> a cellular handset.
>
> > coverage is nationwide just as
> > analogue TV is
>
> False...UHF television coverage is not "nationwide", its mostly in urban
> areas.
>
> > and it will cost very little to maintain relative to
> > what cell phone companies compete with
>
> False...the backhaul costs to the back bone would be similar.
>
> > you only need 1/4 of the sites
> > as the 1.8Ghz that most cell phones use.
>
> False...You're making the simplistic assumption based on signal lever
> propagation and ignoring topographic terrain issues.
>
> My gawd...how can you be so clueless.

i'll be sure to let the author know your thoughts.

Ness Net

"Oxford" <> wrote in message
news:.qwest.net...


ALL horseshit snipped.....

Oxy - where DO you get this crap? Some blogger unencumbered by
the thought process or actual reality? Cite your source or STFU...

There actually was a good article today on this subject and Google.



iPhone mentioned as one of the CLOSED platforms that Android will crush.

Another tidbit contrary to Oxy's contention that Apple dictates all.

...."a once-radical company like Apple, when it launched the iPhone, bowed
to the carriers instead of trying to fight them."

DTC

Oxford wrote:
> As this network is already built out for analogue TV, it will cost
> little to change things for Wimaxx.

Ok, now you have real showed your ignorance.

There is no "network is already built out for analogue TV". Where in the
world did you get that idea???

Oh, you're thinking that there there is a vast nationwide coverage of
UHF TV stations out there...sorry, UHF is mostly in built up urban
cities using a max of five MEGAwatts (circular polarization), but it
could adapted to ten megawatts in one plane. You don't seem to
understand that two-way communications requires reciprocal power levels.

And they are NOT "networked" together. The ONLY thing already in
place...are a few towers in urban areas, but no radio infrastructure in
place.

My gawd...how can you be so clueless.