LG Voyager - wow - what a phone

Jon

Larry wrote:
> Cobra <rhsteele@sbcglobal.net> wrote in news:f814cd7d-a257-42e3-8152-
> 5f2db610446b@o6g2000hsd.googlegroups.com:
>
>> To my surprise, I was
>> able to set up MP3, photo and video streaming from my home computer.
>>
>
> Doesn't matter. He'll be dumped within a month after the big kahuna
> notices he's gone over his 5GB limit....and the Voyager will just be dead
> after that.
>
> Read your agreement, bud! WEBPAGE and EMAIL ONLY!
>
>
> Larry

Webpage and Email only eh?

Then how come Verizon is FIXING THE ISSUE WITH THE VOYAGER STREAMING
YOUTUBE VIDEO?
On some Voyagers (very few and far between), youtube videos only play
the first 29 seconds before stopping. If one calls Verizon CS and tell
them about the problem, 5 minutes later the problem is solved.

Now why would Verizon help people stream media onto their phones if it
is against the TOS?

Larry

Jon <Jon@Cebridge.net> wrote in news:fifigs$5qk$1
@registered.motzarella.org:

> On some Voyagers (very few and far between), youtube videos only play
> the first 29 seconds before stopping. If one calls Verizon CS and tell
> them about the problem, 5 minutes later the problem is solved.
>

Why would it only run for 29 seconds in the first place? Why did Verizon
CS have to make it work?

From the panel under "voice and data plans" on TODAY's webpage:

"DATA PLANS AND FEATURES
Prohibited Uses. While most common uses for Internet are permitted by
your Data Plan, there are certain uses that cause extreme network
capacity issues and interference with the network. These are not uses
intended by our Data Access plans and are therefore prohibited. Examples
of prohibited uses include the following:

(i) server devices or host computer applications, including, but not
limited to, continuous Web camera posts or broadcasts, automatic data
feeds, automated machine-to-machine connections or peer-to-peer (P2P)
file-sharing;

[Question - define automated machine-to-machine connections and automatic
data feeds. FTP is an automated machine-to-machine connection. So isn't
streaming! So isn't any VoIP connection. So isn't IRC, downloading from
usenet.....or just about any other connection. Automated, of course,
means you don't have to make the connection yourself, right? You have a
CLIENT do that connection for you...automating it. Are we just screwing
around with new wording to satisfy the Attorney General from NY State?]

(ii) as a substitute or backup for private lines or dedicated data
connections;

[Someone wanted to use his VZW data plan to provide internet service to
his house. This forbidden restriction has not changed. There it is.]

(iii) "auto-responders," "cancel-bots," or similar automated or manual
routines which generate excessive amounts of net traffic, or which
disrupt net user groups or email use by others;

[What the hell is an "auto-responder"? Any program that responds when
called? Any VoIP, Orb, remote desktop applications, remote networking to
your computer from your laptop? Those are all "auto-responders". Noone
has to push a button if you're running some kind of remote desktop to get
your email from the office....auto-responding to your call.]

(iv) "spam" or unsolicited commercial or bulk email (or activities that
have the effect of facilitating unsolicited commercial email or
unsolicited bulk email);

[Hey! Somebody screwed up! This one is in English!]

(v) any activity that adversely affects the ability of other people or
systems to use either Verizon Wireless Services or other parties'
Internet-based resources, including "denial of service" (DoS) attacks
against another network host or individual user;

[OK...great. No obfuscation here at all.]

(vi) accessing, or attempting to access without authority, the accounts
of others, or to penetrate, or attempt to penetrate, security measures of
Verizon Wireless' or another entity's network or systems; or

[No trying to hack into your cellphone, either!]

(vii) software or other devices that maintain continuous active Internet
connections when a computer's connection would otherwise be idle or any
"keep alive" functions, unless they adhere to Verizon Wireless' data
retry requirements, which may be changed from time to time. This means,
by way of example only, that using these Data Plans or Features for P2P
file-sharing services, web broadcasting, or for the operation of servers,
telemetry devices and/or Supervisory Control and Data Acquisition devices
is prohibited.

Of course, we don't say WHAT THOSE REQUIREMENTS ARE...which may change
from today to tomorrow.

If usage exceeds 5 GB per line during any billing period, we reserve the
right to reduce throughput speeds of any application that would otherwise
exceed such speed to a maximum of approximately 200 Kbps. These speeds
are subject to change, in our reasonable discretion, in order to address
network issues. In order to assess your usage, you may obtain information
about your usage during a particular billing period, including during the
Return Period under your Worry Free Guarantee, through My Account or by
contacting Customer Service. These Data Plans or Features are for
individual use only and not for resale. We further reserve the right to
take measures to protect our network from harm, compromised capacity or
degradation in performance, any of which may impact permitted data flows.
Accordingly, we reserve the right to deny, modify or terminate service,
without notice, to anyone we believe is using Data Plans or Features in
any manner that adversely impacts our network or service levels, and we
also reserve the right to terminate service upon expiration of the
Customer Agreement term.

We may, but are not required to, monitor your compliance, or the
compliance of other subscribers, with the terms, conditions, or policies
of the Customer Agreement."
END OF QUOTED TEXT-------------------------------------

Vague...very vague. They did soften it a lot, though! They made it even
more vague, except for the 5GB limit.

Now, back on the webpage ABOVE the legalese wording window it says, same
as always:

----------------------------------------------------------------
Monthly Anytime Minutes Monthly Access Per-Minute Rate
After Allowance Plan Includes
for Internet access & email
Minutes $59.99 Other data services (Quick 2 Netsm dial-up connections)
at $0.25 per minute.

* Data access for Internet browsing, email, or Intranet access
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
------------------------------------------------------------------
Isn't this what it has always said after "unlimited" in bigger letters?

IT SAYS IT'S FOR INTERNET BROWSING, EMAIL OR INTRANET ACCESS.....and
nothing else? It doesn't say it's for streaming, it says it's for email
and web browsing, infering it's for nothing else. My quoted text isn't
formatted like the webpage html. But that's exactly what it says....


Larry
--
Isn't it ironic that the same ISPs that are telling you
you're downloads threaten their networks......
.....are testing 100Gbps TV to sell on the SAME systems?
http://tinyurl.com/27qx3v

Larry

Jon <Jon@Cebridge.net> wrote in news:fifigs$5qk$1
@registered.motzarella.org:

> Now why would Verizon help people stream media onto their phones if it
> is against the TOS?
>

Streaming isn't against the TOS. Verizon SELLS streaming...or will
shortly.

Larry
--
Isn't it ironic that the same ISPs that are telling you
you're downloads threaten their networks......
.....are testing 100Gbps TV to sell on the SAME systems?
http://tinyurl.com/27qx3v

Jon

Larry wrote:
> Jon <Jon@Cebridge.net> wrote in news:fifigs$5qk$1
> @registered.motzarella.org:
>
>> On some Voyagers (very few and far between), youtube videos only play
>> the first 29 seconds before stopping. If one calls Verizon CS and tell
>> them about the problem, 5 minutes later the problem is solved.
>>
>
> Why would it only run for 29 seconds in the first place? Why did Verizon
> CS have to make it work?
>

It results from an error that occurs when a few people switched from the
old plans to the new plans (from Americas Choice to Nationwide)

Jon

Larry wrote:
> Jon <Jon@Cebridge.net> wrote in news:fifigs$5qk$1
> @registered.motzarella.org:
>
>> Now why would Verizon help people stream media onto their phones if it
>> is against the TOS?
>>
>
> Streaming isn't against the TOS. Verizon SELLS streaming...or will
> shortly.
>
> Larry

Sells streaming? Please explain.

Larry

Jon <Jon@Cebridge.net> wrote in news:fifl63$gn6$1
@registered.motzarella.org:

> It results from an error that occurs when a few people switched from the
> old plans to the new plans (from Americas Choice to Nationwide)
>
>

"Error"? Does that come "fishwrapped"?

Interesting.

Larry
--
Isn't it ironic that the same ISPs that are telling you
you're downloads threaten their networks......
.....are testing 100Gbps TV to sell on the SAME systems?
http://tinyurl.com/27qx3v

Larry

Jon <Jon@Cebridge.net> wrote in news:fifl6i$gn6$2
@registered.motzarella.org:

> Sells streaming? Please explain.
>

Vcast streams video clips, right? News/weather/sports/Verizon spam?

Streamed data...all of it. The difference is M-O-N-E-Y. Streaming Orb
from your home computer makes no money for the money mongers. Vcast is.

Duhh....(c;


Larry
--
Isn't it ironic that the same ISPs that are telling you
you're downloads threaten their networks......
.....are testing 100Gbps TV to sell on the SAME systems?
http://tinyurl.com/27qx3v

Jon

Larry wrote:
> Jon <Jon@Cebridge.net> wrote in news:fifl63$gn6$1
> @registered.motzarella.org:
>
>> It results from an error that occurs when a few people switched from the
>> old plans to the new plans (from Americas Choice to Nationwide)
>>
>>
>
> "Error"? Does that come "fishwrapped"?
>
> Interesting.
>
> Larry
Actually, turns out it was an Error that LG is to blame with the
multimedia player.

From what I heard, Verizon plans to send an over-the-air update to all
Voyagers in the next few days to fix this problem

Jon

Larry wrote:
> Jon <Jon@Cebridge.net> wrote in news:fifl6i$gn6$2
> @registered.motzarella.org:
>
>> Sells streaming? Please explain.
>>
>
> Vcast streams video clips, right? News/weather/sports/Verizon spam?
>
> Streamed data...all of it. The difference is M-O-N-E-Y. Streaming Orb
> from your home computer makes no money for the money mongers. Vcast is.
>
> Duhh....(c;
>
>
> Larry
Uh, VCast is included in the $15/month for unlimited data.

You can use Vcast, but Id rather use Orb, works fine on my enV

Larry

Jon <Jon@Cebridge.net> wrote in news:fihvmo$l98$1
@registered.motzarella.org:

> Actually, turns out it was an Error that LG is to blame with
the
> multimedia player.
>

There's lots of errors in media players in phones. The most
frustrating thing in my stupid MotoROKR Z6M is the MP3 player is
so stupid it can't be told to just look at the external memory
card ONLY, so in random play it plays MP3 ringtones from the
INTERNAL memory.

You'd think the stupid asses were dealing with new technology,
not an MP3 player.

Brew....sucks! You may quote me.

Larry
--
Isn't it ironic that the same ISPs that are telling you
you're downloads threaten their networks......
.....are testing 100Gbps TV to sell on the SAME systems?
http://tinyurl.com/27qx3v