Paul Thurrott - "You need an iPhone"

David Moyer

In article <484ff03a$0$5003$607ed4bc@cv.net>,
"Carl" <crothman@NOSPAMoptonline.net> wrote:

> Sorry, but until they incorporate a phone book system, a calendar a task
> manager, and a to do list which can synchronize with MS Outlook, moving it a
> little more away from being a glorified toy and more towards business use,
> much as I want one, I won't have one. I don't even begin to understand how
> you can compare it to a Blackberry. The iPhone is still a device designed
> for the non-professional user.

they announced that on Monday as well, take the tour of "MobleMe.com"...
and if you want to do more than syncing of phone, addresses, calendars,
task, todo's, then you can connect any iPhone to MS Exchange 2003, or
2007.

http://www.apple.com/mobileme/

the tour of the features

http://www.apple.com/mobileme/guidedtour/

and the iPhone for Enterprise

http://www.apple.com/iphone/enterprise/

Sweet!

David Moyer

In article <OYudnXVjR4ldKdLVnZ2dnUVZ_vKdnZ2d@speakeasy.net> ,
News <News@Group.name> wrote:

> , while fixing all of the major issues I described in
> > How Apple Can Fix the iPhone in 2008,
>
>
> Yebbut, what about the lack of APPS? Still NO APPS.

ah, there are over 1700 apps for the iPhone, with 1000's more coming on
July 11th.

http://www.apple.com/webapps/
>
> Still a fashion accessory, no more.

nah, the iPhone is far and away the most sophiscated cell phone you can
buy. It has the largest library of quality apps, the longest battery
life, the easy to navigate UI, the only phone with a real browser, etc,
etc, etc. no other cell phone is even close to the iphone in overall
functionality.

Steve de Mena

ZnU wrote:
> In article <calvin-77962B.08110411062008@news.goldengate.net>,
> Calvin <calvin@microsoft.com> wrote:
>
>> In article <OYudnXVjR4ldKdLVnZ2dnUVZ_vKdnZ2d@speakeasy.net> ,
>> News <News@Group.name> wrote:
>>
>>> David Moyer wrote:
>>>
>>>> Paul Thurrott -- June 10, 2008
>>>>
>>>> "I cannot stress this enough: You need to get an iPhone. Sooner rather
>>>> than later. With Apple dropping the entry price on this innovative
>>>> device to just $200
>>>
>>> Yebbut, what about that $800 long tail of service obligation...
>>>
>>>
>>> , while fixing all of the major issues I described in
>>>> How Apple Can Fix the iPhone in 2008,
>>>
>>> Yebbut, what about the lack of APPS? Still NO APPS.
>>>
>>> Still a fashion accessory, no more.
>> This great new iPhone still does not do MMS. WTF?
>
> MMS is doomed in the long run. Why bother on a device that has a
> high-speed connection to the wider Internet, and can send and receive
> real e-mail with attachments?

So you can communicate with people in the real world who have MMS
capabilites (only).

Steve

Alan Baker

In article <ocmdnV3kyNFS_s3VnZ2dnUVZ_gednZ2d@giganews.com>,
Steve de Mena <steve@stevedemena.com> wrote:

> ZnU wrote:
> > In article <calvin-77962B.08110411062008@news.goldengate.net>,
> > Calvin <calvin@microsoft.com> wrote:
> >
> >> In article <OYudnXVjR4ldKdLVnZ2dnUVZ_vKdnZ2d@speakeasy.net> ,
> >> News <News@Group.name> wrote:
> >>
> >>> David Moyer wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Paul Thurrott -- June 10, 2008
> >>>>
> >>>> "I cannot stress this enough: You need to get an iPhone. Sooner rather
> >>>> than later. With Apple dropping the entry price on this innovative
> >>>> device to just $200
> >>>
> >>> Yebbut, what about that $800 long tail of service obligation...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> , while fixing all of the major issues I described in
> >>>> How Apple Can Fix the iPhone in 2008,
> >>>
> >>> Yebbut, what about the lack of APPS? Still NO APPS.
> >>>
> >>> Still a fashion accessory, no more.
> >> This great new iPhone still does not do MMS. WTF?
> >
> > MMS is doomed in the long run. Why bother on a device that has a
> > high-speed connection to the wider Internet, and can send and receive
> > real e-mail with attachments?
>
> So you can communicate with people in the real world who have MMS
> capabilites (only).
>
> Steve

Gee...

If only someone could figure out how to make a device automatically
convert an email message into an MMS message and vice versa...

<http://www.modmyifone.com/wiki/index.php/MMS_Email_Addresses>

--
"The iPhone doesn't have a speaker phone" -- "I checked very carefully" --
"I checked Apple's web pages" -- Edwin on the iPhone
"It is Mac OS X, not BSD.' -- 'From Mac OS to BSD Unix." -- "It's BSD Unix with Apple's APIs and GUI on top of it' -- 'nothing but BSD Unix' (Edwin on Mac OS X)
'[The IBM PC] could boot multiple OS, such as DOS, C/PM, GEM, etc.' --
'I claimed nothing about GEM other than it was available software for the
IBM PC. (Edwin on GEM)
'Solaris is just a marketing rename of Sun OS.' -- 'Sun OS is not included
on the timeline of Solaris because it's a different OS.' (Edwin on Sun)

Carl

Steve Hix wrote:
> In article <484ff03a$0$5003$607ed4bc@cv.net>,
> "Carl" <crothman@NOSPAMoptonline.net> wrote:
>
>> David Moyer wrote:
>>> a very good read from one the most hardcore Windows Users on the
>>> planet.
>>>
>>> Paul Thurrott -- June 10, 2008
>>>
>>> "I cannot stress this enough: You need to get an iPhone. Sooner
>>> rather than later. With Apple dropping the entry price on this
>>> innovative device to just $200, while fixing all of the major
>>> issues I described in How Apple Can Fix the iPhone in 2008, there
>>> are precious few reasons to ignore this seismic shift in mobile and
>>> cloud computing. I've said it before and I'll say it again: The
>>> iPhone is a dramatically important computing platform and one you
>>> should not ignore. Trust me, once you've used an iPhone, that
>>> Blackberry or Windows Mobile device you're settling on now will
>>> seem like ancient Soviet-era technology by comparison."
>>>
>>> much more here....
>>>
>>> http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase...3g_preview.asp
>>>
>>> http://www.apple.com/iphone/
>>>
>> Sorry, but until they incorporate a phone book system, a calendar a
>> task manager, and a to do list which can synchronize with MS Outlook,
>
> Coming in early July. Of this year. It was announced at the beginning
> of this week.
>
> If you'd done just a smidgen of homework....
>
I believe what you're referring to is its usability with Microsoft EXCHANGE,
not synchronization with Outlook. I don't use MS Exchange. My business
needs are not that sophisticated. The BB syncs directly with MS Outlook
without Exchange.

If I'm right, then I've done my "smidgen of homework" and you've just been
arrogant. Show me I'm wrong and I'll post an apology to you right here. I'll
expect the same from you if you can't.

Carl

Steve de Mena wrote:
> Carl wrote:
>> David Moyer wrote:
>>> a very good read from one the most hardcore Windows Users on the
>>> planet.
>>>
>>> Paul Thurrott -- June 10, 2008
>>>
>>> "I cannot stress this enough: You need to get an iPhone. Sooner
>>> rather than later. With Apple dropping the entry price on this
>>> innovative device to just $200, while fixing all of the major
>>> issues I described in How Apple Can Fix the iPhone in 2008, there
>>> are precious few reasons to ignore this seismic shift in mobile and
>>> cloud computing. I've said it before and I'll say it again: The
>>> iPhone is a dramatically important computing platform and one you
>>> should not ignore. Trust me, once you've used an iPhone, that
>>> Blackberry or Windows Mobile device you're settling on now will
>>> seem like ancient Soviet-era technology by comparison."
>>>
>>> much more here....
>>>
>>> http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase...3g_preview.asp
>>>
>>> http://www.apple.com/iphone/
>>>
>> Sorry, but until they incorporate a phone book system, a calendar a
>> task manager, and a to do list which can synchronize with MS
>> Outlook, moving it a little more away from being a glorified toy and
>> more towards business use, much as I want one, I won't have one. I
>> don't even begin to understand how you can compare it to a
>> Blackberry. The iPhone is still a device designed for the
>> non-professional user.
>
> I guess you haven't read about the Apple support for Microsoft
> Exchange servers upcoming in version 2.0?
>
> Steve
>
As I've replied to the other poster in this thread, who was, however, a bit
more arrogant about it than you, yes I am aware of this and have read it. I
do not use MS Exchange or a server system. I am not a large corporate user
and I would like it to simply sync with MS Outlook through an included
synchronization program like Activesync, such as the Blackberry does. My
apologies for this next comment, which will sound as if it rings of my own
arrogance, but my post said I wanted it to sync with MS Outlook. If I wanted
it to work with MS Exchange, I would have said Exchange. Sorry. But thanks
for trying to point me in the right direction. Perhaps I need to look into
upgrading my system to utilize Exchange at this point, but I've gotten by
for so long without it.

Carl

David Moyer wrote:
> In article <484ff03a$0$5003$607ed4bc@cv.net>,
> "Carl" <crothman@NOSPAMoptonline.net> wrote:
>
>> Sorry, but until they incorporate a phone book system, a calendar a
>> task manager, and a to do list which can synchronize with MS
>> Outlook, moving it a little more away from being a glorified toy and
>> more towards business use, much as I want one, I won't have one. I
>> don't even begin to understand how you can compare it to a
>> Blackberry. The iPhone is still a device designed for the
>> non-professional user.
>
> they announced that on Monday as well, take the tour of
> "MobleMe.com"... and if you want to do more than syncing of phone,
> addresses, calendars, task, todo's, then you can connect any iPhone
> to MS Exchange 2003, or 2007.
>
> http://www.apple.com/mobileme/
>
> the tour of the features
>
> http://www.apple.com/mobileme/guidedtour/
>
> and the iPhone for Enterprise
>
> http://www.apple.com/iphone/enterprise/
>
> Sweet!
>
Ah, now this is something I will spend some time looking into. Thank you.

David Moyer

In article <48509c26$0$5000$607ed4bc@cv.net>,
"Carl" <crothman@NOSPAMoptonline.net> wrote:

> As I've replied to the other poster in this thread, who was, however, a bit
> more arrogant about it than you, yes I am aware of this and have read it. I
> do not use MS Exchange or a server system. I am not a large corporate user
> and I would like it to simply sync with MS Outlook through an included
> synchronization program like Activesync, such as the Blackberry does. My
> apologies for this next comment, which will sound as if it rings of my own
> arrogance, but my post said I wanted it to sync with MS Outlook. If I wanted
> it to work with MS Exchange, I would have said Exchange. Sorry. But thanks
> for trying to point me in the right direction. Perhaps I need to look into
> upgrading my system to utilize Exchange at this point, but I've gotten by
> for so long without it.

in your case, you just need MobileMe it uses activesync to sync your
iPhone to Outlook.

http://www.apple.com/mobileme/

David Moyer

"Carl" <crothman@NOSPAMoptonline.net> wrote:

> I believe what you're referring to is its usability with Microsoft EXCHANGE,
> not synchronization with Outlook. I don't use MS Exchange. My business
> needs are not that sophisticated. The BB syncs directly with MS Outlook
> without Exchange.

nah, there are two levels of syncing for PC users... "exchange level"
which is more for enterprise, then "mobileme" which is for smaller
firms, families, students, etc. if your still trying to use a PC,
mobileme is what is going to work with outlook without having an
exchange server.

http://www.apple.com/mobileme/

Steve de Mena

Carl wrote:
>>>>
>>> Sorry, but until they incorporate a phone book system, a calendar a
>>> task manager, and a to do list which can synchronize with MS Outlook,
>> Coming in early July. Of this year. It was announced at the beginning
>> of this week.
>>
>> If you'd done just a smidgen of homework....
>>
> I believe what you're referring to is its usability with Microsoft EXCHANGE,
> not synchronization with Outlook. I don't use MS Exchange. My business
> needs are not that sophisticated. The BB syncs directly with MS Outlook
> without Exchange.
>
> If I'm right, then I've done my "smidgen of homework" and you've just been
> arrogant. Show me I'm wrong and I'll post an apology to you right here. I'll
> expect the same from you if you can't.

I think the "Mobile Me" solution will do this. It's "Exchange for the
rest of us".

http://www.apple.com/mobileme/

Exchange for the rest of us.
You might have a Mac at home, a PC at work, and an iPhone or iPod
touch. The challenge is keeping multiple devices always in sync.
Enterprises can use a server like Exchange. For everyone else, now
there's MobileMe.

Works with native applications.
MobileMe works with the applications you know well. Microsoft Outlook
on a PC. Mail, Address Book, and iCal on a Mac. And Mail, Contacts,
and Calendar on your iPhone or iPod touch.

Native application friendly.
MobileMe Mail uses the email applications you already know. On your
iPhone and iPod touch, it works with the built-in Mail application. It
also works with Mail on a Mac and Outlook, Outlook Express, or Windows
Mail on a PC.

Steve