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Old 04-30-2012, 01:30 AM   #21
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"BillW50" <BillW50@aol.kom> wrote in message
news:jnh87o$6rg$1@dont-email.me...
> In news:jnh7s7$4oe$1@dont-email.me,
> Kernelbugger typed:
>> "Zaphod Beeblebrox" <Zaphod.Arisztid.Beeblebrox@gmail.com> wrote in
>> message news:MPG.2a04d04fb108ad5989703@news.eternal-september.org...
>>> On Fri, 27 Apr 2012 11:17:09 -0700, "Kernelbugger"
>>> <this1wontwork@thistime.net> wrote in article <jnenr7$5ev$1@dont-
>>> email.me>...
>>>>
>>>> "Zaphod Beeblebrox" <Zaphod.Arisztid.Beeblebrox@gmail.com> wrote in
>>>> message
>>>> news:MPG.2a04681d6f5a7cc7989701@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>> On Thu, 26 Apr 2012 21:07:57 -0500, "BillW50" <BillW50@aol.kom>
>>>>> wrote in article <jncv1v$344$1@dont-email.me>...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In news:jncoj8$6g6$1@dont-email.me,
>>>>>> Kernelbugger wrote:
>>>>>>> From power on to the desktop is slightly under one minute. I'm
>>>>>>> not having a problem, it's just that I'm a perfectionist. I
>>>>>>> built the machine.
>>>>>>> I can't figure out if one SATA 3 port is faster than another, as
>>>>>>> it appears, or what may be the cause. I ran bootlog, and it
>>>>>>> shows system 13.9 secs, explorer 6.3 secs, and nusb3mon.exe 7.3
>>>>>>> secs. All the other items were loaded simultaneously it
>>>>>>> appears, and each took only a few seconds.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Oh man! As good as I think I am I might be able to tweak it
>>>>>> myself a hair better (at best a second or two), but why? Even
>>>>>> under the fastest SSD commercially available you still won't
>>>>>> break 30 seconds (at least I
>>>>>> don't think I can break that limit).
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't know about XP, but Windows 7 on a fast SSD boots to the
>>>>> desktop in under 30 seconds easily, without any performance
>>>>> tweaking. My production system at work achieves this. Normally I
>>>>> have to log on, which of course adds to the time, but I tested
>>>>> with auto logon enabled and got 25 seconds pretty consistently.
>>>>> It's not a particularly special PC - Dell Optiplex 790, Core
>>>>> i5-2500 at 3.3GHz with 8GB RAM running Windows 7 Enterprise 64-Bit
>>>>> on a Corsair Force 3 SSD. Our developers have much more powerful
>>>>> machines, I'm tempted to see what theirs can do...
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I have made two desktop computers, both with Asrock 890FX Deluxe 4
>>>> mobos, both with WindowsXP Pro, and both will boot in about 5
>>>> seconds using a software program provided by Asrock called
>>>> InstantBoot. So that beats Win 7 hands down if boot speed is the
>>>> criteria.
>>>
>>> Which of course isn't boot speed, but resume speed. But I digress,
>>> as I often do.
>>>
>>>> However, that's not
>>>> my objective in posting the question. I'd like to know why one of
>>>> the boxes
>>>> displays 2 sweeps while the other displays 10 or more sweeps on the
>>>> Windows XP splash screen.
>>>
>>> Wish I could help you, but I have no specific information that would
>>> help you. However, since the drives are different sizes (and likely
>>> even more different internally) and you are using different SATA
>>> ports, I imagine those play into the difference you see.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Zaphod

>>
>> Say What??? "Which of course isn't boot speed, but resume speed."
>> Untrue Zaphod. The Asrock 890FX Deluxe 4 with InstantBoot will boot
>> in about 5 seconds, period. That's from cold to desktop. That's
>> with the power plug removed for days then reinserted to boot. Can't
>> hardly be resume if the PC is unplugged for days, eh?

>
> How fast does it reboot when you install something or make a change to
> the OS and you are notified that you must reboot for the changes to take
> effect?
>
> --
> Bill
> Asus EeePC 701 ~ 2GB RAM ~ 16GB-SDHC
> Windows 2000 SP5 - OE6 - OE-QuoteFix v1.19.2
>
>


Talk about speed, check out my memory read test from Everest 2.20.405:

My Everest test score = 34,656 MB/s
Next highest score shown = 7,630 MB/s



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Old 04-30-2012, 02:30 AM   #22
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In news:jnkpge$b1j$1@dont-email.me,
Kernelbugger wrote:
> "BillW50" <BillW50@aol.kom> wrote in message
> news:jnh87o$6rg$1@dont-email.me...
>> In news:jnh7s7$4oe$1@dont-email.me,
>> Kernelbugger typed:
>>> "Zaphod Beeblebrox" <Zaphod.Arisztid.Beeblebrox@gmail.com> wrote in
>>> message news:MPG.2a04d04fb108ad5989703@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>> On Fri, 27 Apr 2012 11:17:09 -0700, "Kernelbugger"
>>>> <this1wontwork@thistime.net> wrote in article <jnenr7$5ev$1@dont-
>>>> email.me>...
>>>>>
>>>>> "Zaphod Beeblebrox" <Zaphod.Arisztid.Beeblebrox@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>> in message
>>>>> news:MPG.2a04681d6f5a7cc7989701@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>>> On Thu, 26 Apr 2012 21:07:57 -0500, "BillW50" <BillW50@aol.kom>
>>>>>> wrote in article <jncv1v$344$1@dont-email.me>...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In news:jncoj8$6g6$1@dont-email.me,
>>>>>>> Kernelbugger wrote:
>>>>>>>> From power on to the desktop is slightly under one minute. I'm
>>>>>>>> not having a problem, it's just that I'm a perfectionist. I
>>>>>>>> built the machine.
>>>>>>>> I can't figure out if one SATA 3 port is faster than another,
>>>>>>>> as it appears, or what may be the cause. I ran bootlog, and it
>>>>>>>> shows system 13.9 secs, explorer 6.3 secs, and nusb3mon.exe 7.3
>>>>>>>> secs. All the other items were loaded simultaneously it
>>>>>>>> appears, and each took only a few seconds.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Oh man! As good as I think I am I might be able to tweak it
>>>>>>> myself a hair better (at best a second or two), but why? Even
>>>>>>> under the fastest SSD commercially available you still won't
>>>>>>> break 30 seconds (at least I
>>>>>>> don't think I can break that limit).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't know about XP, but Windows 7 on a fast SSD boots to the
>>>>>> desktop in under 30 seconds easily, without any performance
>>>>>> tweaking. My production system at work achieves this. Normally I
>>>>>> have to log on, which of course adds to the time, but I tested
>>>>>> with auto logon enabled and got 25 seconds pretty consistently.
>>>>>> It's not a particularly special PC - Dell Optiplex 790, Core
>>>>>> i5-2500 at 3.3GHz with 8GB RAM running Windows 7 Enterprise
>>>>>> 64-Bit on a Corsair Force 3 SSD. Our developers have much more
>>>>>> powerful machines, I'm tempted to see what theirs can do...
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I have made two desktop computers, both with Asrock 890FX Deluxe 4
>>>>> mobos, both with WindowsXP Pro, and both will boot in about 5
>>>>> seconds using a software program provided by Asrock called
>>>>> InstantBoot. So that beats Win 7 hands down if boot speed is the
>>>>> criteria.
>>>>
>>>> Which of course isn't boot speed, but resume speed. But I digress,
>>>> as I often do.
>>>>
>>>>> However, that's not
>>>>> my objective in posting the question. I'd like to know why one of
>>>>> the boxes
>>>>> displays 2 sweeps while the other displays 10 or more sweeps on
>>>>> the Windows XP splash screen.
>>>>
>>>> Wish I could help you, but I have no specific information that
>>>> would help you. However, since the drives are different sizes
>>>> (and likely even more different internally) and you are using
>>>> different SATA ports, I imagine those play into the difference you
>>>> see. --
>>>> Zaphod
>>>
>>> Say What??? "Which of course isn't boot speed, but resume speed."
>>> Untrue Zaphod. The Asrock 890FX Deluxe 4 with InstantBoot will boot
>>> in about 5 seconds, period. That's from cold to desktop. That's
>>> with the power plug removed for days then reinserted to boot. Can't
>>> hardly be resume if the PC is unplugged for days, eh?

>>
>> How fast does it reboot when you install something or make a change
>> to the OS and you are notified that you must reboot for the changes
>> to take effect?

>
> Talk about speed, check out my memory read test from Everest 2.20.405:
>
> My Everest test score = 34,656 MB/s
> Next highest score shown = 7,630 MB/s


Impressive. As the only hardware that I know of to achieve such speeds
is RAM. Can you actually unplug your computer and plug it back in later
and it can do the same? Or does it need constant power?

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Bill
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Centrino Core Duo T2400 1.83GHz - 2GB - Windows XP SP3


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Old 04-30-2012, 12:30 PM   #23
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On Sat, 28 Apr 2012 10:03:02 -0700, "Kernelbugger"
<this1wontwork@thistime.net> wrote in article <jnh7s7$4oe$1@dont-
email.me>...
>
> Say What??? "Which of course isn't boot speed, but resume speed."
> Untrue Zaphod. The Asrock 890FX Deluxe 4 with InstantBoot will boot in
> about 5 seconds, period. That's from cold to desktop. That's with the
> power plug removed for days then reinserted to boot. Can't hardly be
> resume if the PC is unplugged for days, eh?


Hogwash. It is resuming from a saved state, not cold booting. From
http://www.asrock.com/feature/instantboot/index.asp it is clear that
this is an S3/S4 resume, not a cold boot. Period.


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manic self-publicist, terrible bad at personal relationships,
often thought to be completely out to lunch.
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Old 04-30-2012, 01:30 PM   #24
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"Zaphod Beeblebrox" <Zaphod.Arisztid.Beeblebrox@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.2a0848096b1604c898970d@news.eternal-september.org...
> On Sat, 28 Apr 2012 10:03:02 -0700, "Kernelbugger"
> <this1wontwork@thistime.net> wrote in article <jnh7s7$4oe$1@dont-
> email.me>...
>>
>> Say What??? "Which of course isn't boot speed, but resume speed."
>> Untrue Zaphod. The Asrock 890FX Deluxe 4 with InstantBoot will boot in
>> about 5 seconds, period. That's from cold to desktop. That's with the
>> power plug removed for days then reinserted to boot. Can't hardly be
>> resume if the PC is unplugged for days, eh?

>
> Hogwash. It is resuming from a saved state, not cold booting. From
> http://www.asrock.com/feature/instantboot/index.asp it is clear that
> this is an S3/S4 resume, not a cold boot. Period.
>
>
> --
> Zaphod
>
> Adventurer, ex-hippie, good-timer (crook? quite possibly),
> manic self-publicist, terrible bad at personal relationships,
> often thought to be completely out to lunch.


I can see why you are terribly bad at personal relationships.


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Old 04-30-2012, 02:30 PM   #25
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On Mon, 30 Apr 2012 05:42:04 -0700, "Kernelbugger"
<this1wontwork@thistime.net> wrote in article <jnm1av$sck$1@dont-
email.me>...
>
> "Zaphod Beeblebrox" <Zaphod.Arisztid.Beeblebrox@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:MPG.2a0848096b1604c898970d@news.eternal-september.org...
> > On Sat, 28 Apr 2012 10:03:02 -0700, "Kernelbugger"
> > <this1wontwork@thistime.net> wrote in article <jnh7s7$4oe$1@dont-
> > email.me>...
> >>
> >> Say What??? "Which of course isn't boot speed, but resume speed."
> >> Untrue Zaphod. The Asrock 890FX Deluxe 4 with InstantBoot will boot in
> >> about 5 seconds, period. That's from cold to desktop. That's with the
> >> power plug removed for days then reinserted to boot. Can't hardly be
> >> resume if the PC is unplugged for days, eh?

> >
> > Hogwash. It is resuming from a saved state, not cold booting. From
> > http://www.asrock.com/feature/instantboot/index.asp it is clear that
> > this is an S3/S4 resume, not a cold boot. Period.
> >

>
> I can see why you are terribly bad at personal relationships.


Actually, I'm quite good at personal relationships. This isn't one. I
don't suffer fools lightly, and I'm not inclined to soften the message
with flowery language to keep from offending someone especially when it
is old ground we've already covered, as is the case here.

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Zaphod

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The effect of one is like having your brain smashed out
by a slice of lemon wrapped round a large gold brick.
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Old 04-30-2012, 05:30 PM   #26
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"Zaphod Beeblebrox" <Zaphod.Arisztid.Beeblebrox@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.2a0864fda8615bbb98970e@news.eternal-september.org...
> On Mon, 30 Apr 2012 05:42:04 -0700, "Kernelbugger"
> <this1wontwork@thistime.net> wrote in article <jnm1av$sck$1@dont-
> email.me>...
>>
>> "Zaphod Beeblebrox" <Zaphod.Arisztid.Beeblebrox@gmail.com> wrote in
>> message
>> news:MPG.2a0848096b1604c898970d@news.eternal-september.org...
>> > On Sat, 28 Apr 2012 10:03:02 -0700, "Kernelbugger"
>> > <this1wontwork@thistime.net> wrote in article <jnh7s7$4oe$1@dont-
>> > email.me>...
>> >>
>> >> Say What??? "Which of course isn't boot speed, but resume speed."
>> >> Untrue Zaphod. The Asrock 890FX Deluxe 4 with InstantBoot will boot
>> >> in
>> >> about 5 seconds, period. That's from cold to desktop. That's with
>> >> the
>> >> power plug removed for days then reinserted to boot. Can't hardly be
>> >> resume if the PC is unplugged for days, eh?
>> >
>> > Hogwash. It is resuming from a saved state, not cold booting. From
>> > http://www.asrock.com/feature/instantboot/index.asp it is clear that
>> > this is an S3/S4 resume, not a cold boot. Period.
>> >

>>
>> I can see why you are terribly bad at personal relationships.

>
> Actually, I'm quite good at personal relationships. This isn't one. I
> don't suffer fools lightly, and I'm not inclined to soften the message
> with flowery language to keep from offending someone especially when it
> is old ground we've already covered, as is the case here.
>
> --
> Zaphod
>
> Pan-Galactic Gargle Blaster: A cocktail based on Janx Spirit.
> The effect of one is like having your brain smashed out
> by a slice of lemon wrapped round a large gold brick.


Well, I sure don't want to be the one to burst your bubble, but
I own two computers with the Asrock 890FX Deluxe 4, how many
do you own? And both of mine will cold boot in 5 seconds if I chose
to use InstantBoot. Guess I'd better tell Asrock they don't know what
they are talking about if their web site says differently.

Have a good one, adios MF.


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Old 04-30-2012, 07:30 PM   #27
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On Mon, 30 Apr 2012 10:12:57 -0700, "Kernelbugger"
<this1wontwork@thistime.net> wrote in article <jnmh6r$tm2$1@dont-
email.me>...
>
> "Zaphod Beeblebrox" <Zaphod.Arisztid.Beeblebrox@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:MPG.2a0864fda8615bbb98970e@news.eternal-september.org...
> > On Mon, 30 Apr 2012 05:42:04 -0700, "Kernelbugger"
> > <this1wontwork@thistime.net> wrote in article <jnm1av$sck$1@dont-
> > email.me>...
> >>
> >> "Zaphod Beeblebrox" <Zaphod.Arisztid.Beeblebrox@gmail.com> wrote in
> >> message
> >> news:MPG.2a0848096b1604c898970d@news.eternal-september.org...
> >> > On Sat, 28 Apr 2012 10:03:02 -0700, "Kernelbugger"
> >> > <this1wontwork@thistime.net> wrote in article <jnh7s7$4oe$1@dont-
> >> > email.me>...
> >> >>
> >> >> Say What??? "Which of course isn't boot speed, but resume speed."
> >> >> Untrue Zaphod. The Asrock 890FX Deluxe 4 with InstantBoot will boot
> >> >> in
> >> >> about 5 seconds, period. That's from cold to desktop. That's with
> >> >> the
> >> >> power plug removed for days then reinserted to boot. Can't hardly be
> >> >> resume if the PC is unplugged for days, eh?
> >> >
> >> > Hogwash. It is resuming from a saved state, not cold booting. From
> >> > http://www.asrock.com/feature/instantboot/index.asp it is clear that
> >> > this is an S3/S4 resume, not a cold boot. Period.
> >> >
> >>
> >> I can see why you are terribly bad at personal relationships.

> >
> > Actually, I'm quite good at personal relationships. This isn't one. I
> > don't suffer fools lightly, and I'm not inclined to soften the message
> > with flowery language to keep from offending someone especially when it
> > is old ground we've already covered, as is the case here.
> >

>
> Well, I sure don't want to be the one to burst your bubble, but
> I own two computers with the Asrock 890FX Deluxe 4, how many
> do you own? And both of mine will cold boot in 5 seconds if I chose
> to use InstantBoot. Guess I'd better tell Asrock they don't know what
> they are talking about if their web site says differently.
>
> Have a good one, adios MF.



That's just it, their website says exactly what I was saying - it is
NOT a cold boot, it is an S3 / S4 resume from the state you saved
during shutdown. It is not possible to cold boot XP in 5 seconds, and
they know it, but it is possible to store the state and resume that
quickly through a bit of digital "magic" (i.e. really fast memory.)

Adios yourself.

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