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Old 12-25-2012, 10:30 PM   #11
Paul
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....winston wrote:
> Correct. Downgrade rights are from OEM pre-installed Windows machines
> from contracted OEM suppliers.
>
> That changes with Win8...downgrade rights are Win8 Pro only and afiak
> now incumbent upon the user/buyer to provide the earlier o/s.
>
> ...w


I used the $39.95 downloadable version, and installed it to a
blank disk. Next, ran the "Refresh your PC" function, which
partially reinstalls the system. (There's a recipe for this,
so I didn't think it up. It's along the lines of the
"double install method" used previously.) The system was activated
after that. So no pre-existing OS was used during the install.

I've had upgrade versions of Windows before, where the installer
asked you to insert the previous OS installer CD. And this install,
didn't even try that. It just installed. After the first install
(with license key typed in), it did not activate. But after
the system refresh, and as many reboots as it felt it needed,
after that I checked the system control panel, and it was
activated. (I also tried the slmgr recipe, but that didn't work.
I had to spend the extra time on the refresh thing.)

(.bat file didn't work, but refresh did)

http://www.eightforums.com/tutorials...8-upgrade.html

Paul

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Old 12-25-2012, 10:30 PM   #12
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On 12/25/2012 3:50 PM, Paul wrote:
> ...winston wrote:
>> Correct. Downgrade rights are from OEM pre-installed Windows machines
>> from contracted OEM suppliers.
>>
>> That changes with Win8...downgrade rights are Win8 Pro only and afiak
>> now incumbent upon the user/buyer to provide the earlier o/s.
>>
>> ...w

>
> I used the $39.95 downloadable version, and installed it to a
> blank disk. Next, ran the "Refresh your PC" function, which
> partially reinstalls the system. (There's a recipe for this,
> so I didn't think it up. It's along the lines of the
> "double install method" used previously.) The system was activated
> after that. So no pre-existing OS was used during the install.
>
> I've had upgrade versions of Windows before, where the installer
> asked you to insert the previous OS installer CD. And this install,
> didn't even try that. It just installed. After the first install
> (with license key typed in), it did not activate. But after
> the system refresh, and as many reboots as it felt it needed,
> after that I checked the system control panel, and it was
> activated. (I also tried the slmgr recipe, but that didn't work.
> I had to spend the extra time on the refresh thing.)
>
> (.bat file didn't work, but refresh did)
>
> http://www.eightforums.com/tutorials...8-upgrade.html
>
>
> Paul


I never found it to care what you are upgrading from yet. Even a fresh
drive it didn't care. Although if you are online, it automatically in
the background activates.

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Old 12-26-2012, 06:30 AM   #13
...winston
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What did you use to purchase and download Win8 ?
- a machine with a qualifying o/s

Inserting a prior o/s system cd/dvd hasn't been in place since XP.

...w

"Paul" wrote in message news:kbd72n$q7q$1@dont-email.me...

....winston wrote:
> Correct. Downgrade rights are from OEM pre-installed Windows machines
> from contracted OEM suppliers.
>
> That changes with Win8...downgrade rights are Win8 Pro only and afiak
> now incumbent upon the user/buyer to provide the earlier o/s.
>
> ...w


I used the $39.95 downloadable version, and installed it to a
blank disk. Next, ran the "Refresh your PC" function, which
partially reinstalls the system. (There's a recipe for this,
so I didn't think it up. It's along the lines of the
"double install method" used previously.) The system was activated
after that. So no pre-existing OS was used during the install.

I've had upgrade versions of Windows before, where the installer
asked you to insert the previous OS installer CD. And this install,
didn't even try that. It just installed. After the first install
(with license key typed in), it did not activate. But after
the system refresh, and as many reboots as it felt it needed,
after that I checked the system control panel, and it was
activated. (I also tried the slmgr recipe, but that didn't work.
I had to spend the extra time on the refresh thing.)

(.bat file didn't work, but refresh did)

http://www.eightforums.com/tutorials...8-upgrade.html

Paul
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Old 12-26-2012, 07:30 AM   #14
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....winston wrote:
> What did you use to purchase and download Win8 ?
> - a machine with a qualifying o/s
>
> Inserting a prior o/s system cd/dvd hasn't been in place since XP.
>
> ...w


Someone posting here, has already ordered multiple OSes with
their order machine. So the qualifying OS is not being
disqualified by the act of purchasing. If that
were the case, they wouldn't have been able to order
their second OS copy.

Paul
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Old 12-26-2012, 09:30 AM   #15
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Your still misunderstanding the licensing agreement.
Technically feasible is not the same a legality.
- nor has it been for quite some time

....winston
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"Paul" wrote in message news:kbe6b4$65a$1@dont-email.me...

....winston wrote:
> What did you use to purchase and download Win8 ?
> - a machine with a qualifying o/s
>
> Inserting a prior o/s system cd/dvd hasn't been in place since XP.
>
> ...w


Someone posting here, has already ordered multiple OSes with
their order machine. So the qualifying OS is not being
disqualified by the act of purchasing. If that
were the case, they wouldn't have been able to order
their second OS copy.

Paul
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Old 12-26-2012, 02:30 PM   #16
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On 26/12/2012 3:50 AM, ...winston wrote:
> Your still misunderstanding the licensing agreement.
> Technically feasible is not the same a legality.
> - nor has it been for quite some time
>
> ...winston


I can see no legal obstacle to installing any OS, or any number of OSs
you like on any hardware you have purchased. There may be hardware
limits, but that's another issue.

have good day,

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Wolf K
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Old 12-26-2012, 09:30 PM   #17
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This stuff is pretty simple.

Licensing = one license per pc/device

The ability to install the same o/s (upgrade, full version, ectc.) with the same key on multiple devices while technically feasible
via a variety of methods does not change or modify the legal aspects of MSFT's licensing.


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On 26/12/2012 3:50 AM, ...winston wrote:
> Your still misunderstanding the licensing agreement.
> Technically feasible is not the same a legality.
> - nor has it been for quite some time
>
> ...winston


I can see no legal obstacle to installing any OS, or any number of OSs
you like on any hardware you have purchased. There may be hardware
limits, but that's another issue.

have good day,

--
Best,
Wolf K
kirkwood40.blogspot.ca

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Old 12-26-2012, 10:30 PM   #18
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On 12/26/2012 2:50 AM, ...winston wrote:
> Your still misunderstanding the licensing agreement.
> Technically feasible is not the same a legality.
> - nor has it been for quite some time
>
> ...winston
> winston msft consumer apps
>
> "Paul" wrote in message news:kbe6b4$65a$1@dont-email.me...
> ...winston wrote:
>> What did you use to purchase and download Win8 ?
>> - a machine with a qualifying o/s
>>
>> Inserting a prior o/s system cd/dvd hasn't been in place since XP.
>>
>> ...w

>
> Someone posting here, has already ordered multiple OSes with
> their order machine. So the qualifying OS is not being
> disqualified by the act of purchasing. If that
> were the case, they wouldn't have been able to order
> their second OS copy.
>
> Paul


Nobody is questioning the legality of what qualifies for being able to
legally use the upgrade version of Windows 8 or not. Nor do I see this
as a problem either, unless you built your own machine. Most of us
though purchased our computers with an OEM version of Windows already on
it. And any machine capable of running Windows 8 would likely have XP,
Vista, or Windows 7 previously anyway. So for most of us, legally
upgrading isn't a problem at all.

The problem that we are talking about is that Microsoft had used a
system which we all learned many years ago. That was before you could
upgrade, you had to have either the qualifying OS already installed, or
the install disc handy when it ask you for it. This was true from
Windows 95 to XP (I have no idea what Vista wanted, as I skipped that one).

Although when Windows 7 came out. Having the install disc for a
qualifying upgrade was no longer useable. Meaning that you also could
likely want to upgrade your drive when you upgrade to Windows 7. But you
can't upgrade to Windows 7 if there isn't a qualifying OS already on the
new drive. Pain in the rear just to install the qualifying Windows only
to wipe it out again.

Now Paul and myself have found out that Windows 8 install doesn't care
if it is a brand new drive or not. As it will go ahead and install
anyway. Which is a lot less of a hassle for legal users compared to the
Windows 7 upgrade. And I am sure Microsoft had taken a lot of heat for that.

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Old 12-27-2012, 01:30 AM   #19
...winston
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"BillW50" wrote in message news:kbfsgd$49r$1@dont-email.me...

On 12/26/2012 2:50 AM, ...winston wrote:
>

Nobody is questioning the legality of what qualifies for being able to
legally use the upgrade version of Windows 8 or not. Nor do I see this
as a problem either, unless you built your own machine. Most of us
though purchased our computers with an OEM version of Windows already on
it. And any machine capable of running Windows 8 would likely have XP,
Vista, or Windows 7 previously anyway. So for most of us, legally
upgrading isn't a problem at all.

The problem that we are talking about is that Microsoft had used a
system which we all learned many years ago. That was before you could
upgrade, you had to have either the qualifying OS already installed, or
the install disc handy when it ask you for it. This was true from
Windows 95 to XP (I have no idea what Vista wanted, as I skipped that one).

Although when Windows 7 came out. Having the install disc for a
qualifying upgrade was no longer useable. Meaning that you also could
likely want to upgrade your drive when you upgrade to Windows 7. But you
can't upgrade to Windows 7 if there isn't a qualifying OS already on the
new drive. Pain in the rear just to install the qualifying Windows only
to wipe it out again.

Now Paul and myself have found out that Windows 8 install doesn't care
if it is a brand new drive or not. As it will go ahead and install
anyway. Which is a lot less of a hassle for legal users compared to the
Windows 7 upgrade. And I am sure Microsoft had taken a lot of heat for that.
>

The need to insert the prior o/s CD/DVD when not doing an in-place upgrade (running setup.exe from the prior o/s) was the same for
Vista and later o/s.

As noted, what is technically feasible..is not (and has never been) the same as licensing. It's incumbent upon the user to abide by
the license and any included constraints (and obviously activate the software online or via phone).


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Old 12-27-2012, 01:30 AM   #20
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On 26/12/2012 3:45 PM, ...winston wrote:
> This stuff is pretty simple.
>
> Licensing = one license per pc/device
>
> The ability to install the same o/s (upgrade, full version, ectc.) with
> the same key on multiple devices while technically feasible via a
> variety of methods does not change or modify the legal aspects of MSFT's
> licensing.


Sure, but that's mot what I was referring to. I may have
over-interpreted, but I tho't someone here claimed you couldn't have
more than one OS per device. That's nonsense. It's your hardware, not
theirs. It's your choice on which device to install the OS, not theirs.

Have a good day.

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Wolf K
kirkwood40.blogspot.ca

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