Tooloose LaBlech

> I also use Norton Ghost 12 for cloning and backups - cloning works 100%.

Yea, the cloning works, but the RESTORE DOES NOT. Oh yea, it looks REAL
professional during the backup phase, but try to do a restoration from a
restore point. It accesses protected memory and Vista shuts it down. AMONG
OTHER ABSURDITIES.

ONLY THE LAST RESTORATION POINT WORKS and that is typically all that
reviewers do: a single backup and a resoration from that restore-point.

The rapidity with which Symantec gave me my money back without a peep of
defense or protest pretty much says it all.

You want image backup? Use PING. It's free and it works.

Tooloose LaBlech

> I have had unsatisfactory experiences with McAffee and Norton.
> Doug

Let me second that. My Toshiba lap came with McAfee's ISS pre-loaded. I
yanked it today. It's been causing Vista to blue-screen at boot. Yesterday,
Vista's post-debacle self-analysis told me quite explicitly that McAfee's
Realtime Virus Scanner was the culprit and that, furthermore, McAfee had no
fix for it.

Amateurs!

Do the research. Former McAfee Victims are two bits short of a class-action
lawsuit.

Sidebar: solely based on my experience with Symantec's Ghost 12.0 Image
backup, I will never buy a Symantec product either.

My recent experience with almost all retail software has been nightmarishly
similar. Clearly, the 15k Calcutta programmers aren't quite what they're
cracked up to be.

m

Tooloose LaBlech

> I also use Norton Ghost 12 for cloning and backups - cloning works 100%.

Yea, the cloning works, but the RESTORE DOES NOT. Oh yea, it looks REAL
professional during the backup phase, but try to do a restoration from a
restore point. It accesses protected memory and Vista shuts it down. AMONG
OTHER ABSURDITIES.

ONLY THE LAST RESTORATION POINT WORKS and that is typically all that
reviewers do: a single backup and a resoration from that restore-point.

The rapidity with which Symantec gave me my money back without a peep of
defense or protest pretty much says it all.

You want image backup? Use PING. It's free and it works.

JMS

I cannot make Ghost work for cloning a Vista disk. the image seems to be
missing a bunch of info (including boot info even though I checked the mbr
box) and the copy is 70GB smaller in size). What do I need to do to make it
work? Any other product I should be using instead? (I tried Acronis and that
was even worse).
Thanks

"Greg" wrote:

> After using AVG's Suite for six months, I got tired of its "in your
> fact" nags about what it was doing, and how it really did slow down a
> quad-core 6GB system. I didn't like Norton 2007, but decided to buy NIS
> 2008. And not a single regret over doing so.
>
> I also use Norton Ghost 12 for cloning and backups - cloning works 100%.
>
>
> "Bruce Chambers" <bchambers@cable0ne.n3t> wrote in message
> news:%23Qul2MgLIHA.5116@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> > Bob Newman wrote:
> >> Can anyone offer suggestions as to the best security suite for Vista?
> >> I bought a new computer recently it came with
> >> a trial of Norton which is getting ready to expire. I use Cox Cable
> >> as an internet provider and they offer a free protection suite but I
> >> am unsure of its quality.
> >>
> >
> >
> > I'll start by saying that I don't think any security "suite" is a
> > good choice. It'd be better to use smaller, less-resource-draining
> > stand-alone products. Nor, when it comes to security, would I want to
> > place my trust entirely in the "hands" of the very agency (the ISP)
> > through which any exploits would be delivered. There's too much of
> > the "placing all of one's eggs in one basket" folly in that scenario
> > for my comfort.
> >
> > I used, and recommended, Norton Antivirus and then Norton Internet
> > Security, for many years, on Win98, WinNT, Win2K, and WinXP, all
> > without any significant problems. (I had used McAfee prior to that.
> > But it's been several years since I've been tempted to try McAfee
> > products. Their quality seemed to take a steep nose-dive after they
> > were acquired by Network Associates.)
> >
> > However, when my subscription to Symantec's updates for Norton
> > Internet Security came up for renewal (at a cost substantially higher
> > than the preceding year's subscription), I decided to try less
> > expensive solutions. I downloaded and installed the free version of
> > GriSoft's AVG (http://www.grisoft.com/us/us_dwnl_free.php ). It
> > proved to be easily installed, easy to use, and quite effective.
> > Additionally, I was pleasantly surprised to see a small but very
> > noticeable improvement in my PC's performance, once I'd replaced the
> > Symantec product. Another free (for personal use) anti-virus product
> > is AVAST! 4 Home Edition (http://www.avast.com/eng/avast_4_home.html),
> > which is what I'm currently using without problems on Vista Business.
> >
> > For a recent comparison of anti-virus products:
> >
> > Retrospective / ProActive Test
> > http://www.av-comparatives.org/
> >
> > As for a firewall, Vista's built-in solution is more than adequate for
> > most consumers' needs. While it's not quite up to the ease-of-use
> > standards of Kerio or ZoneAlarm, it has been improved over WinXP's
> > version.
> >
> > There are two interfaces for Vistas built-in firewall:
> >
> > 1) A simplified one accessed through the Control Panel that is the
> > only one most people see. Sphinx's Vista Firewall Control
> > http://sphinx-soft.com/Vista/) is a piece of freeware that makes the
> > Vista Firewall much more useful to the average user.
> >
> > 2) And the more advanced "Windows Firewall with Advanced Security
> > (WF.msc), accessed via the Start Menu's Administrative Tools folder,
> > for the experienced user who wants more granular control.
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > Bruce Chambers
> >
> > Help us help you:
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> > http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
> >
> > They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
> > safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin
> >
> > Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. ~Bertrand
> > Russell
> >
> > The philosopher has never killed any priests, whereas the priest has
> > killed a great many philosophers.
> > ~ Denis Diderot
>