Here I Go Again!!!

stillarfish

I'll be damned if Vista insists on biting me after every damn update!!! Does
MS even test this crap or simply pass it by the testers desk??? I get things
calmed a bit then another update and I'm losing text and the cursor has an
epileptic fit. This is a systemic situation starting last November to present
as things were fine till they updated something. I've spoken with users from
private community to DOD and they all report same. It is truly getting old!!!
--
Fish

Carey Frisch [MVP]

Open a free Microsoft support request:


--
Carey Frisch
Microsoft MVP
Windows Desktop Experience -
Windows Vista Enthusiast

Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP]

Can you explain your exact issues? I have several Vista's here updated
with no issues.

What brand? specs?

What updates did you install?
Any driver updates?

stillarfish wrote:
> I'll be damned if Vista insists on biting me after every damn update!!! Does
> MS even test this crap or simply pass it by the testers desk??? I get things
> calmed a bit then another update and I'm losing text and the cursor has an
> epileptic fit. This is a systemic situation starting last November to present
> as things were fine till they updated something. I've spoken with users from
> private community to DOD and they all report same. It is truly getting old!!!

Spanky deMonkey

"stillarfish" <> wrote in message
news:...
> I'll be damned if Vista insists on biting me after every damn update!!!
> Does
> MS even test this crap or simply pass it by the testers desk??? I get
> things
> calmed a bit then another update and I'm losing text and the cursor has an
> epileptic fit. This is a systemic situation starting last November to
> present
> as things were fine till they updated something. I've spoken with users
> from
> private community to DOD and they all report same. It is truly getting
> old!!!
> --
> Fish

So you are just ranting and complaining? Did you do an upgrade? Did you do
a clean install? Do you have antivirus? If you have antivirus, is it up to
date? Do you have a new machine, an old machine? There could be hundreds
of reasons why your system is messed up. Provide some more information.

GRITSandSLUTS

You know what...I'd have to say that I 'think' we have been paddling up the
same 'damn' creek. In 13 months - I have had 3 'computers'; If I ever have
to 'have' ANY technical service - I have spent the fricking $230+ for
Dell_on_Call. I will NEVER buy another Dell computer. VISTA for the most
part - SUXS; they 'update it' 'daily' and several times to boot. It's bad
enough to 'try having to 'learn it' on my own; throw in a couple of ??grown??
children who 'just insist on turning it on AFTER I've 'turned' if OFF -
during a lightning storm... Just totally 'blew' my Microsoft Office Outlook
2007 and 'until' I purchased the 'software help' - I was 'dead in the water'.
But I have found that 'coming on this 'site' and asking questions has been
often times met with 'smart ass remarks about 'getting a grant' or a 'student
loan' and learning 'something' about a computer so I would know what the HELL
I was talking about (and that was 'just about' a direct QUOTE). There are
'some of us out here that are NOVICES when it comes to installation of a
computer'...I worked for 22 years on computers and ALWAYS had a 'physical
technician' who set up the computers, loaded the programs, changes programs,
he did everything and then plugged it in, and said, 'well have @ it ...
here's your "sign" [book]; Wasn't afraid then to just 'start pushing
buttons' to see what would happen ... he could always get it back up and
running; but now disable and 'don't have that luxury' and my $1500 investment
on a limited income...is something that I want to 'continue' having it
'constantly' up-to-date. Had started the 'post' with 'if you are a computer
guru and have no patience with a computer novice - please don't post' -
Apparently SHE was the one needing a 'grant' to go to 'charm school'. I
thought she was 'rude' and apparently just out 'surfing' to see who she could
'piss off' royally. May God Bless her dear, smart ass self, she just 'wasn't
brought up properly'. She is probably a 'real loser' in life and want to
make others feel the same pain.

"stillarfish" wrote:

> I'll be damned if Vista insists on biting me after every damn update!!! Does
> MS even test this crap or simply pass it by the testers desk??? I get things
> calmed a bit then another update and I'm losing text and the cursor has an
> epileptic fit. This is a systemic situation starting last November to present
> as things were fine till they updated something. I've spoken with users from
> private community to DOD and they all report same. It is truly getting old!!!
> --
> Fish

C.B.

I remember the post you are referring to. The tone of the answer you
received was in direct proportion to the attitude of your post.

C.B.


--
It is the responsibility and duty of everyone to help the underprivileged
and unfortunate among us.

"GRITSandSLUTS" <> wrote in message
news:...
> You know what...I'd have to say that I 'think' we have been paddling up
> the
> same 'damn' creek. In 13 months - I have had 3 'computers'; If I ever
> have
> to 'have' ANY technical service - I have spent the fricking $230+ for
> Dell_on_Call. I will NEVER buy another Dell computer. VISTA for the
> most
> part - SUXS; they 'update it' 'daily' and several times to boot. It's bad
> enough to 'try having to 'learn it' on my own; throw in a couple of
> ??grown??
> children who 'just insist on turning it on AFTER I've 'turned' if OFF -
> during a lightning storm... Just totally 'blew' my Microsoft Office
> Outlook
> 2007 and 'until' I purchased the 'software help' - I was 'dead in the
> water'.
> But I have found that 'coming on this 'site' and asking questions has been
> often times met with 'smart ass remarks about 'getting a grant' or a
> 'student
> loan' and learning 'something' about a computer so I would know what the
> HELL
> I was talking about (and that was 'just about' a direct QUOTE). There are
> 'some of us out here that are NOVICES when it comes to installation of a
> computer'...I worked for 22 years on computers and ALWAYS had a 'physical
> technician' who set up the computers, loaded the programs, changes
> programs,
> he did everything and then plugged it in, and said, 'well have @ it ...
> here's your "sign" [book]; Wasn't afraid then to just 'start pushing
> buttons' to see what would happen ... he could always get it back up and
> running; but now disable and 'don't have that luxury' and my $1500
> investment
> on a limited income...is something that I want to 'continue' having it
> 'constantly' up-to-date. Had started the 'post' with 'if you are a
> computer
> guru and have no patience with a computer novice - please don't post' -
> Apparently SHE was the one needing a 'grant' to go to 'charm school'. I
> thought she was 'rude' and apparently just out 'surfing' to see who she
> could
> 'piss off' royally. May God Bless her dear, smart ass self, she just
> 'wasn't
> brought up properly'. She is probably a 'real loser' in life and want to
> make others feel the same pain.
>
> "stillarfish" wrote:
>
>> I'll be damned if Vista insists on biting me after every damn update!!!
>> Does
>> MS even test this crap or simply pass it by the testers desk??? I get
>> things
>> calmed a bit then another update and I'm losing text and the cursor has
>> an
>> epileptic fit. This is a systemic situation starting last November to
>> present
>> as things were fine till they updated something. I've spoken with users
>> from
>> private community to DOD and they all report same. It is truly getting
>> old!!!
>> --
>> Fish

C.B.

Here's your post: "If you are a computer savvy person w/no
patience...log off now! If you are
willing to help...post! I have a computer Inspiron 531 w/Microsoft Office
(Business) VISTA; trying to learn, but all on my own. Sync? Is that
something that would allow me to enter a 'contact' and have it appear in all
3 email programs or will I have to type them in individually into each?
$1200 is a 'big' investment for me, on a 'set' income. Tired of getting
'into' something ONLY to find it is a 'sales pitch'. I should NOT have to
'buy' additional programs to make VISTA run...that is something that
Microsoft should provide somehow! I'm sure all these 'programs' you 'need
to
buy' are Microsoft related. Bill Gates doesn't understand that NOT
everybody
is as 'brilliant' as he...biggest mistake though was 'unleashing' VISTA
without more 'kinks' worked out...but $$$ is $$$ and $$$ is "His GOD" - NOT
mine!"


Here's your reply: Dear Rachel,

"It is 'so refreshing' to find someone who has NEVER been a 'novice'. If I
get a 'grant' or a 'student loan' it will be to take 'art' NOT computer. If
I don't know 'what the HELL I'm doing...it is because I chose NOT to 'stand
in Hell' ... What's YOUR problem? Being 'a rude smartA**' has never gotten
people far in life and I will tell you the same thing I told the LAST person
whose 'comment' was unwarranted...don't like MY response to a 'short, curt
remark' REPORT ME! I have this program on my computer to try to find
'help'.
You aren't willing to make suggestions kindly...don't open my email up!
You
have my Display Name...write it down so you can 'remember' it!"

C.B.

"C.B." <> wrote in message
news:...
> I remember the post you are referring to. The tone of the answer you
> received was in direct proportion to the attitude of your post.
>
> C.B.
>
>
> --
> It is the responsibility and duty of everyone to help the underprivileged
> and unfortunate among us.
>
> "GRITSandSLUTS" <> wrote in message
> news:...
>> You know what...I'd have to say that I 'think' we have been paddling up
>> the
>> same 'damn' creek. In 13 months - I have had 3 'computers'; If I ever
>> have
>> to 'have' ANY technical service - I have spent the fricking $230+ for
>> Dell_on_Call. I will NEVER buy another Dell computer. VISTA for the
>> most
>> part - SUXS; they 'update it' 'daily' and several times to boot. It's
>> bad
>> enough to 'try having to 'learn it' on my own; throw in a couple of
>> ??grown??
>> children who 'just insist on turning it on AFTER I've 'turned' if OFF -
>> during a lightning storm... Just totally 'blew' my Microsoft Office
>> Outlook
>> 2007 and 'until' I purchased the 'software help' - I was 'dead in the
>> water'.
>> But I have found that 'coming on this 'site' and asking questions has
>> been
>> often times met with 'smart ass remarks about 'getting a grant' or a
>> 'student
>> loan' and learning 'something' about a computer so I would know what the
>> HELL
>> I was talking about (and that was 'just about' a direct QUOTE). There
>> are
>> 'some of us out here that are NOVICES when it comes to installation of a
>> computer'...I worked for 22 years on computers and ALWAYS had a 'physical
>> technician' who set up the computers, loaded the programs, changes
>> programs,
>> he did everything and then plugged it in, and said, 'well have @ it ...
>> here's your "sign" [book]; Wasn't afraid then to just 'start pushing
>> buttons' to see what would happen ... he could always get it back up and
>> running; but now disable and 'don't have that luxury' and my $1500
>> investment
>> on a limited income...is something that I want to 'continue' having it
>> 'constantly' up-to-date. Had started the 'post' with 'if you are a
>> computer
>> guru and have no patience with a computer novice - please don't post' -
>> Apparently SHE was the one needing a 'grant' to go to 'charm school'. I
>> thought she was 'rude' and apparently just out 'surfing' to see who she
>> could
>> 'piss off' royally. May God Bless her dear, smart ass self, she just
>> 'wasn't
>> brought up properly'. She is probably a 'real loser' in life and want to
>> make others feel the same pain.
>>
>> "stillarfish" wrote:
>>
>>> I'll be damned if Vista insists on biting me after every damn update!!!
>>> Does
>>> MS even test this crap or simply pass it by the testers desk??? I get
>>> things
>>> calmed a bit then another update and I'm losing text and the cursor has
>>> an
>>> epileptic fit. This is a systemic situation starting last November to
>>> present
>>> as things were fine till they updated something. I've spoken with users
>>> from
>>> private community to DOD and they all report same. It is truly getting
>>> old!!!
>>> --
>>> Fish
>

GRITSandSLUTS

Well C.B. is you 'think' I was wrong, or the answer I got was in direct
proportion to the tone of my post - maybe I owe everbody that posted on that
site an apology... but I 'still' am of the opinion that to make that remark;
when I was 'asking for help' was sort of 'rude and unwarranted'. But that's
my 'opinion' and like parts on our bodies ... we all have 'that them'. I
apologize to you. But 'anger and frustration' are 'feelings'; and 'being
"froggy and 'jumping' are just about the same", maybe a bit more on the side
of 'instinct'. But VISTA WAS 'released' FAR too soon, and when your IP
(Internet [Service] Protocol is a 'small phone company' (in a certain area of
the country) - you have to put up with what they can provide for you and be
thankful for that. Poor and downtrodden? I don't feel either. I'm
'blessed' to be a 'child of God' and I've been through a whole lot to 'be'
"where I am" and I'm NOT 'downtrodden'; but you 'don't know me...and I don't
expect for you to care or understand'; but I am 'really proud to be where I
am - ALIVE! I'm able pick up my ball and punt, get 'called to the sidelines'
and wait until I can 'breathe' and 'go back @ it'. I 'love' my computer (now
that I finally got DELL to send one that WORKS - I just felt like when I
called and told the salesman 'what I wanted it to do' - we weren't on the
same 'dance page' - he took that information and went to the warehouse and
said, "mmm, we'll send her this, it is about as close as we can get..." I
thought DELL was supposed to build a computer to your specifications ... I
was 'mistaken'; and ill with a disorder that 'affects my "short term memory
and comprehension". But when I received the 1st "Satan System" computer - I
didn't get my "Here's your sign [book] of 'instructions'! But 'practice
makes perfect' - I'll never be perfect but I will do a whole lot of practice.
But very little takes away that feeling of 'getting into something, then
realizing 'Oh $***, what have I done and how do I get out of here; only made
worse by 'not being able to remember exactly 'how I got into it', and what I
was 'familiar' with in the old Microsoft 98-XP have had 'parts combined or
removed or moved' ... now I know how a polar bear must feel (and as an owner
of "pets" - I truly believe that they are 'smart' and have feelings) when he
finds himself on an 'small chunk of ice' that's not big enough for him to
turn around on'. I thank you for YOUR honesty. I'm just 'floating along'
and was hoping to 'find some HELP'. Hope you have a Blessed Father's Day,
even if you are a 'mother' or a 'child' of a father. I will apologize when I
'think' I am wrong or if someone 'convinces' me that I am ... I will stand my
ground - if I 'think' that I am right. I've been 'dough-popped' before and I
know how it feels and 'both eyes blackened' by 'turning the other cheek'; but
push me - I'll push back - I have my sense of 'personal space' and have the
right to defend it.


"C.B." wrote:

> Here's your post: "If you are a computer savvy person w/no
> patience...log off now! If you are
> willing to help...post! I have a computer Inspiron 531 w/Microsoft Office
> (Business) VISTA; trying to learn, but all on my own. Sync? Is that
> something that would allow me to enter a 'contact' and have it appear in all
> 3 email programs or will I have to type them in individually into each?
> $1200 is a 'big' investment for me, on a 'set' income. Tired of getting
> 'into' something ONLY to find it is a 'sales pitch'. I should NOT have to
> 'buy' additional programs to make VISTA run...that is something that
> Microsoft should provide somehow! I'm sure all these 'programs' you 'need
> to
> buy' are Microsoft related. Bill Gates doesn't understand that NOT
> everybody
> is as 'brilliant' as he...biggest mistake though was 'unleashing' VISTA
> without more 'kinks' worked out...but $$$ is $$$ and $$$ is "His GOD" - NOT
> mine!"
>
>
> Here's your reply: Dear Rachel,
>
> "It is 'so refreshing' to find someone who has NEVER been a 'novice'. If I
> get a 'grant' or a 'student loan' it will be to take 'art' NOT computer. If
> I don't know 'what the HELL I'm doing...it is because I chose NOT to 'stand
> in Hell' ... What's YOUR problem? Being 'a rude smartA**' has never gotten
> people far in life and I will tell you the same thing I told the LAST person
> whose 'comment' was unwarranted...don't like MY response to a 'short, curt
> remark' REPORT ME! I have this program on my computer to try to find
> 'help'.
> You aren't willing to make suggestions kindly...don't open my email up!
> You
> have my Display Name...write it down so you can 'remember' it!"
>
> C.B.
>
> "C.B." <> wrote in message
> news:...
> > I remember the post you are referring to. The tone of the answer you
> > received was in direct proportion to the attitude of your post.
> >
> > C.B.
> >
> >
> > --
> > It is the responsibility and duty of everyone to help the underprivileged
> > and unfortunate among us.
> >
> > "GRITSandSLUTS" <> wrote in message
> > news:...
> >> You know what...I'd have to say that I 'think' we have been paddling up
> >> the
> >> same 'damn' creek. In 13 months - I have had 3 'computers'; If I ever
> >> have
> >> to 'have' ANY technical service - I have spent the fricking $230+ for
> >> Dell_on_Call. I will NEVER buy another Dell computer. VISTA for the
> >> most
> >> part - SUXS; they 'update it' 'daily' and several times to boot. It's
> >> bad
> >> enough to 'try having to 'learn it' on my own; throw in a couple of
> >> ??grown??
> >> children who 'just insist on turning it on AFTER I've 'turned' if OFF -
> >> during a lightning storm... Just totally 'blew' my Microsoft Office
> >> Outlook
> >> 2007 and 'until' I purchased the 'software help' - I was 'dead in the
> >> water'.
> >> But I have found that 'coming on this 'site' and asking questions has
> >> been
> >> often times met with 'smart ass remarks about 'getting a grant' or a
> >> 'student
> >> loan' and learning 'something' about a computer so I would know what the
> >> HELL
> >> I was talking about (and that was 'just about' a direct QUOTE). There
> >> are
> >> 'some of us out here that are NOVICES when it comes to installation of a
> >> computer'...I worked for 22 years on computers and ALWAYS had a 'physical
> >> technician' who set up the computers, loaded the programs, changes
> >> programs,
> >> he did everything and then plugged it in, and said, 'well have @ it ...
> >> here's your "sign" [book]; Wasn't afraid then to just 'start pushing
> >> buttons' to see what would happen ... he could always get it back up and
> >> running; but now disable and 'don't have that luxury' and my $1500
> >> investment
> >> on a limited income...is something that I want to 'continue' having it
> >> 'constantly' up-to-date. Had started the 'post' with 'if you are a
> >> computer
> >> guru and have no patience with a computer novice - please don't post' -
> >> Apparently SHE was the one needing a 'grant' to go to 'charm school'. I
> >> thought she was 'rude' and apparently just out 'surfing' to see who she
> >> could
> >> 'piss off' royally. May God Bless her dear, smart ass self, she just
> >> 'wasn't
> >> brought up properly'. She is probably a 'real loser' in life and want to
> >> make others feel the same pain.
> >>
> >> "stillarfish" wrote:
> >>
> >>> I'll be damned if Vista insists on biting me after every damn update!!!
> >>> Does
> >>> MS even test this crap or simply pass it by the testers desk??? I get
> >>> things
> >>> calmed a bit then another update and I'm losing text and the cursor has
> >>> an
> >>> epileptic fit. This is a systemic situation starting last November to
> >>> present
> >>> as things were fine till they updated something. I've spoken with users
> >>> from
> >>> private community to DOD and they all report same. It is truly getting
> >>> old!!!
> >>> --
> >>> Fish
> >

GRITSandSLUTS

VISTA is 'new to all of us'; and I understand "stillarfish's" frustration.
The remark made to me by the company when I was 'told' after 3 weeks 'oh -
didn't you know you had Dell_on_Call "free" for a month? No, I did NOT -
wasn't explained to me by the salesman and never 'mentioned' to me by a
technician until I 'finally' called @ a time that sent me into a Level II
support team in Oklahoma City, they are the first people that 'convinced me
to 'stick it out' and went 'out of their way' to help me. The fact that I
bought my 'new' computer (with certain things put on it ... which I had
'specifically' told them NOT to put on it because I would never use them,
(i.e. - AOL and Earthlink) were just 'memory hogs' that made it to where
VISTA did not 'work properly' because 'they took up memory that VISTA could
be used to work better...adding an addition 1GB of memory to my computer
'helped' me - I was getting 'low memory' errors on a 'new computer' that
basically had NO 'data' of any importance, unfortunately NAFTA has sent all
our 'large companies' 'out of this country' so that Bill Gates, along with
several 100s of other CEOs of companies' 'bottom line figures' will be
'greater', because 'labor' is cheaper. I've been able to 'talk and/or chat'
with some really good techs - but more so with some really BAD ones - who
apparently 'don't know' much more than I, as a novice' do about some things.
They'd move things, take things off, fail to put things back on and it is
just a matter of sticking to it long enough to 'find someone' who will spend
the time, getting your computer and/or software to a 'workable' and/or
'familiar' "look", having someone that I can call - a "computer businessman"
friend who could 'head me in the right direction' - he's still 'learning the
program, too' - has also been helpful. I am not prejudice or racist - but if
I can't 'understand' a foreigner, and ask to speak to his supervisor and am
refused OUTRIGHT - the term "Bait and Switch and Failure to Honor Contract"
got me to a Resolutions Officer immediately! Finally, I have a 3rd
'computer' - which works ... I just have to 'figure out HOW'. I like your
'display name' - sometimes though - "Monkey Jack-Slapping" something or
someone, is more like how one feels when you are 'rushed' through a tech
session, either by phone or email; then find when you reboot, and they are
gone, the problem is NOT fixed. I can do 'dellconnect' in the dark, I've
done it so often! Have a 'Blessed Day'

"Spanky deMonkey" wrote:

>
> "stillarfish" <> wrote in message
> news:...
> > I'll be damned if Vista insists on biting me after every damn update!!!
> > Does
> > MS even test this crap or simply pass it by the testers desk??? I get
> > things
> > calmed a bit then another update and I'm losing text and the cursor has an
> > epileptic fit. This is a systemic situation starting last November to
> > present
> > as things were fine till they updated something. I've spoken with users
> > from
> > private community to DOD and they all report same. It is truly getting
> > old!!!
> > --
> > Fish
>
> So you are just ranting and complaining? Did you do an upgrade? Did you do
> a clean install? Do you have antivirus? If you have antivirus, is it up to
> date? Do you have a new machine, an old machine? There could be hundreds
> of reasons why your system is messed up. Provide some more information.
>
>
>

Max

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--
Maxwell Bluemeanie
"GRITSandSLUTS" <> wrote in message
news:...
> Well C.B. is you 'think' I was wrong, or the answer I got was in direct
> proportion to the tone of my post - maybe I owe everbody that posted on
> that
> site an apology... but I 'still' am of the opinion that to make that
> remark;
> when I was 'asking for help' was sort of 'rude and unwarranted'. But
> that's
> my 'opinion' and like parts on our bodies ... we all have 'that them'. I
> apologize to you. But 'anger and frustration' are 'feelings'; and 'being
> "froggy and 'jumping' are just about the same", maybe a bit more on the
> side
> of 'instinct'. But VISTA WAS 'released' FAR too soon, and when your IP
> (Internet [Service] Protocol is a 'small phone company' (in a certain area
> of
> the country) - you have to put up with what they can provide for you and
> be
> thankful for that. Poor and downtrodden? I don't feel either. I'm
> 'blessed' to be a 'child of God' and I've been through a whole lot to 'be'
> "where I am" and I'm NOT 'downtrodden'; but you 'don't know me...and I
> don't
> expect for you to care or understand'; but I am 'really proud to be where
> I
> am - ALIVE! I'm able pick up my ball and punt, get 'called to the
> sidelines'
> and wait until I can 'breathe' and 'go back @ it'. I 'love' my computer
> (now
> that I finally got DELL to send one that WORKS - I just felt like when I
> called and told the salesman 'what I wanted it to do' - we weren't on the
> same 'dance page' - he took that information and went to the warehouse and
> said, "mmm, we'll send her this, it is about as close as we can get..." I
> thought DELL was supposed to build a computer to your specifications ... I
> was 'mistaken'; and ill with a disorder that 'affects my "short term
> memory
> and comprehension". But when I received the 1st "Satan System"
> computer - I
> didn't get my "Here's your sign [book] of 'instructions'! But 'practice
> makes perfect' - I'll never be perfect but I will do a whole lot of
> practice.
> But very little takes away that feeling of 'getting into something, then
> realizing 'Oh $***, what have I done and how do I get out of here; only
> made
> worse by 'not being able to remember exactly 'how I got into it', and what
> I
> was 'familiar' with in the old Microsoft 98-XP have had 'parts combined or
> removed or moved' ... now I know how a polar bear must feel (and as an
> owner
> of "pets" - I truly believe that they are 'smart' and have feelings) when
> he
> finds himself on an 'small chunk of ice' that's not big enough for him to
> turn around on'. I thank you for YOUR honesty. I'm just 'floating along'
> and was hoping to 'find some HELP'. Hope you have a Blessed Father's Day,
> even if you are a 'mother' or a 'child' of a father. I will apologize
> when I
> 'think' I am wrong or if someone 'convinces' me that I am ... I will stand
> my
> ground - if I 'think' that I am right. I've been 'dough-popped' before
> and I
> know how it feels and 'both eyes blackened' by 'turning the other cheek';
> but
> push me - I'll push back - I have my sense of 'personal space' and have
> the
> right to defend it.