Re: Windows Vista - SP2 - What functionality is removed this time?

Earle Horton

"Steve Thackery" <> wrote in message
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> Lara,
>
> Please ignore my message, and please accept my apologies. Your original
> email made no mention that the issues were from the aspect of centralised
> administration of a large network.
>
So a network administrator's concerns are so much more important than any
individual retail customer's concerns could be? This is a typical Redmond
attitude, and has been for years. The things that are broken in Vista are
not "non-issues", whether they affect one person or 2500.

Earle

Clark

B. Smith wrote:
> "lforbes" <> wrote in message
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>> Actually it is not a rant at all. I just want the developers to stop
>> getting
>> defensive and actually FIX Vista. I am forced to implement it in the next
>> year into my network and right now it will be a complete disaster and
>> require
>> another server just for the duplicate profiles and Group policies.
>>
>
> So, you might actually have to perform some duties you are being paid for ?
> Quit whining.
>
> Or just quit.
> You get paid...DO IT.
>
> Lazy little piglet.

As iforbes states, if Microsoft would have tried to make Vista more user
friendly, there would not be so many complaints and folks like you would
not be so frustrated by trying to defend it. Even before I install it,
I am discouraged that Microsoft has decided to nickel and dime their
customers by doing things like removing the fax capabilities from the
Home Premium edition.

I will be installing Vista after Christmas, since having involved in the
Beta testing program, I decided I needed to wait for a new computer.
When I come to this group to get help in the future, hopefully there are
folks here in addition to breitak67 who are actually willing to help!

Clark

B. Smith

"B. Smith" <> wrote in message
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> "Earle Horton" <.invalid> wrote in message
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> SNIP babble.
>
> What is happening in Detroit is an example of what
>> happens when an industry produces things that people don't want or need.
>>
>>
>> Earle
>>
>
> Another idiot that knows not what he says.
> The American auto industry sells way more vehicle units...so they sell
> what the consumer wants.
>
> But the labor cost end in an unprofitable situation for American
> Automotive companies.
>
> Toyota = $48/hr labor+benefits.
> GM= $84/hr labor+benefits.
>
> The UAW will not give in paying morons to turn a ***** $28.00/hr.
>
> GM is $86 BILLION in debt.
>
> This did not happen in the last 6 months.
>
> It is an inevitable outcome of unrestrained pay limits, labor and
> management.
>
> No one in their right mind would pay a CEO 15 million to lose money.
>
> Yet the auto industry does.
>
> Its a bad joke.
>
> Haha.
>
> Forklift drivers make over $100,000 a year.
> Salary only.
>
> Good goly.


Hey , don't worry Mr. Horton.
Even a bail-out won't save them.

If the government gives them one single dollar...me and about 6 other people
I know will sell our Silverado's and GMC's...and all buy Tundra's.
Toyota will receive quite a increase in sales if GM receives welfare.
Bank on it.
GM wants to sit on a high horse...let them sit.
Without consessions from the workers....PAY CUTS....I will never buy another
American vehicle ever.

Toyota....can you make them less Dodge looking ?
Flatten that hood...make them less round looking...and I'll buy 2.

=?Utf-8?B?bGZvcmJlcw==?=

"B. Smith" wrote:

> "lforbes" <> wrote in message
> news:...
> > Actually it is not a rant at all. I just want the developers to stop
> > getting
> > defensive and actually FIX Vista. I am forced to implement it in the next
> > year into my network and right now it will be a complete disaster and
> > require
> > another server just for the duplicate profiles and Group policies.
> >
>
> So, you might actually have to perform some duties you are being paid for ?
> Quit whining.
>
> Or just quit.
> You get paid...DO IT.
>
> Lazy little piglet.
>
>

This type of attitude is exactly my point. I run a network of 2500 users by
myself. I personally can adapt as I have done so at home with Vista. However,
my 2500 users are another story. They want things to work and work the way
they have always done. Anyone who is a network Admin understands that.

=?Utf-8?B?bGZvcmJlcw==?=

No Problem. I run Vista SP1 (hacked to get back most of the XP function) at
home with little issue. I actually prefer some of the features that were
added like the ability to rename a file without an extension and the Gadget
bar which I use a lot.

However, I am now the beta tester for our organization to see if we can
actually handle running Vista. I have XP and all Vista licenses have
Downgrade rights (Even OEM which surprised me) therefore I can keep XP as
long as I want.

The issue is that some of the new Dell laptops we buy literally don't have
any drivers for XP or they are very difficult to find. I know that it will
only be a matter of time before the drivers are just not available anymore
and we are forced to switch to Vista.

I need to be prepared.

I don't have Vista Business installed as of yet. We have switched our Select
License company and have not received our KMS key yet so I am not able to
test SP2.

Also with SP1 there were features removed that I wasn't even aware of for
awhile.

Cheers,
Lara

"Steve Thackery" wrote:

> Lara,
>
> Please ignore my message, and please accept my apologies. Your original
> email made no mention that the issues were from the aspect of centralised
> administration of a large network.
>
> From an individual computer user's point of view, they are all completely
> non-issues. But now that you've explained where you are coming from in
> subsequent messages, I understand why they are problematical.
>
> Sorry for misinterpreting you. Next time, though, perhaps you could mention
> the context a bit more clearly! :-)
>
> SteveT
>
>

=?Utf-8?B?bGZvcmJlcw==?=

I don't think more important per-sey. However it is easy for a home use to
create a shortcut on the desktop for the Desktop icon and IE. When you are
dealing with 2500 users all with profiles that roam the job becomes a lot
more complicated.

"Earle Horton" wrote:

> "Steve Thackery" <> wrote in message
> news:.gbl...
> > Lara,
> >
> > Please ignore my message, and please accept my apologies. Your original
> > email made no mention that the issues were from the aspect of centralised
> > administration of a large network.
> >
> So a network administrator's concerns are so much more important than any
> individual retail customer's concerns could be? This is a typical Redmond
> attitude, and has been for years. The things that are broken in Vista are
> not "non-issues", whether they affect one person or 2500.
>
> Earle
>
>
>

Earle Horton

You don't have to listen to your wife cursing about it...

Earle

"lforbes" <lforbes@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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>I don't think more important per-sey. However it is easy for a home use to
> create a shortcut on the desktop for the Desktop icon and IE. When you
> are
> dealing with 2500 users all with profiles that roam the job becomes a lot
> more complicated.
>
> "Earle Horton" wrote:
>
>> "Steve Thackery" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote in message
>> news:O9nsodkXJHA.3808@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> > Lara,
>> >
>> > Please ignore my message, and please accept my apologies. Your
>> > original
>> > email made no mention that the issues were from the aspect of
>> > centralised
>> > administration of a large network.
>> >
>> So a network administrator's concerns are so much more important than any
>> individual retail customer's concerns could be? This is a typical
>> Redmond
>> attitude, and has been for years. The things that are broken in Vista
>> are
>> not "non-issues", whether they affect one person or 2500.
>>
>> Earle
>>
>>
>>