John John

Summercool wrote:

> Partition merely means dividing the data. It doesn't mean erasing.
>
> I can partition my drive without losing a single file.

Can you do that with the disk utility (diskpart) that is used to do
partition work when you install Windows XP? Can it partition or
repartition your drive without loss of data?


> yet ubuntu's partition didn't clearly say that it will erase the whole
> drive besides dividing the drive.

Yes, I agree, it should have warned you, but then it is not a secret
that doing this kind of work can result in loss of data!

John

chrisv

olfart wrote:

>Linux is

*plonk*

Snuff

On Tue, 16 Oct 2007 13:44:34 -0500, Ignoramus1841
<ignoramus1841@NOSPAM.1841.invalid> wrote:

>On 2007-10-16, Richard Urban <richardurbanREMOVETHIS@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> In other words, linux is not for the average use to perform an install when
>> other operating systems are already on the computer. (bait)
>>
>
>Any install of Windows would blow away other operating systems due to
>its use of bootloader, right?
>
>i
Well not quite. Windows always overwrites the boot partition and
thereby screws grub, lilo or whatever.

However, all you need is your linux install disk and a bit of
knowledge and you can get to a command line in Linux, reinstall grub
to the boot partition and be back in business in no time.

Strangely, despite being a former penguinista, I find that Vista is
alright for me (save a few flaws with my business's web based accounts
system) and that I cannot be bothered with the challenge of how to
make linux do what I want any more. Anyway, if I want quasi unix, I
have an iMac for that sort of thing!

Ignoramus1841

On 2007-10-16, Snuff <snuffin@all2worry4.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 16 Oct 2007 13:44:34 -0500, Ignoramus1841
><ignoramus1841@NOSPAM.1841.invalid> wrote:
>
>>On 2007-10-16, Richard Urban <richardurbanREMOVETHIS@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> In other words, linux is not for the average use to perform an install when
>>> other operating systems are already on the computer. (bait)
>>>
>>
>>Any install of Windows would blow away other operating systems due to
>>its use of bootloader, right?
>>
>>i
> Well not quite. Windows always overwrites the boot partition and
> thereby screws grub, lilo or whatever.
>
> However, all you need is your linux install disk and a bit of
> knowledge and you can get to a command line in Linux, reinstall grub
> to the boot partition and be back in business in no time.

Yes.

> Strangely, despite being a former penguinista, I find that Vista is
> alright for me (save a few flaws with my business's web based
> accounts system) and that I cannot be bothered with the challenge of
> how to make linux do what I want any more. Anyway, if I want quasi
> unix, I have an iMac for that sort of thing!

Mac is Unix, not quasi Unix.

Just curious, how long does it take Vista to boot?

i

dennis@home

"DanS" <t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@a.d.e.l.p.h.i.a.n.e.t> wrote in message
news:Xns99CB949D8EBF7thisnthatadelphianet@216.196. 97.142...

> Linux has nothing to do with this particular users problem.
>
> Guess what....Windows asks how you want to partition the drive too, so if
> you have no clue as to what partitioning is or what it actually means,
> you could get screwed no matter what OS you are installing.

Windows will not remove existing partitions without warning the user
(twice).
Some distros of Linux assume the user knows he is about to destroy
everything.
Not exactly user friendly for an OS that wants to be adopted by the masses
is it?

So next we will get the nice friendly Linux folk going on about how stupid
windows users are and then wonder why Linux can't be given away.

> So there's noone/thing to blame except the user in this case.

You can always blame the user no matter how bad the software is.

spike1@freenet.co.uk

In the sacred domain of comp.os.linux.advocacy,
Summercool <Summercoolness@gmail.com> didnst hastily scribble thusly:
> http://groups.google.com/group/comp....7e92401f123e53
>>
>> Installing Ubuntu erased the whole hard drive without warning


> Partition merely means dividing the data. It doesn't mean erasing.

Hahaha, clueless to the last.

> I can partition my drive without losing a single file.

If you tell it to partition the whole drive?
Let's see this wonder of wonders then shall we?

> yet ubuntu's partition didn't clearly say that it will erase the whole
> drive besides dividing the drive.

Yes, it did.

> posting on the Mac forum gets a warm feeling. posting on the Windows
> forum still get a helpful feeling. on Linux it is the very opposite
> of Mac.

A: This isn't a forum, this is a newsgroup. You don't even know THAT?
B: Try posting to the mac advocacy newsgroup about installing something and
getting your partition table wiped cos you said use the whole drive, see
where it gets you. Do the same in the windows advocacy group...

GOD, he gets stupider with every post.
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dennis@home

"lee h" <noti@domain.invalid> wrote in message
news:MM7Ri.10622$lD6.5170@newssvr27.news.prodigy.n et...
> rodolfo.garcia44@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Oct 16, 6:03 am, Summercool <Summercooln...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> After installing Ubuntu, it seemed that everything on my Drive C: was
>>> lost.
>>>
>
> For the simplest Ubuntu install on a windows box, use Wubi
> (Windows Ubuntu Installer).

Its a bit too late for that.
The lack of a suitable warning has made sure another potential Linux user
will stick with something else.
This is the problem with Linux .. it is written by geeks who have no idea
how simple it has to be for the mass market.
Windows would have warned the user at least twice before removing a Linux
partition and that would be after selecting the partition and saying delete.

Ignoramus1841

On 2007-10-16, dennis@home <dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net> wrote:
>
> "DanS" <t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@a.d.e.l.p.h.i.a.n.e.t> wrote in message
> news:Xns99CB949D8EBF7thisnthatadelphianet@216.196. 97.142...
>
>> Linux has nothing to do with this particular users problem.
>>
>> Guess what....Windows asks how you want to partition the drive too, so if
>> you have no clue as to what partitioning is or what it actually means,
>> you could get screwed no matter what OS you are installing.
>
> Windows will not remove existing partitions without warning the user
> (twice). Some distros of Linux assume the user knows he is about to
> destroy everything. Not exactly user friendly for an OS that wants
> to be adopted by the masses is it?

That is not user friendly, however, it was not true with the distro
that I use (Fedora). It is very explicit when it is about to
repartition the drive or reformat partitions. You cannot miss it.

> So next we will get the nice friendly Linux folk going on about how
> stupid windows users are and then wonder why Linux can't be given
> away.

If the OP's report is true, then indeed, that distro needs some major
reworking. I am, however, surprised*to hear that as that has not been
my experience.

i

Mick Murphy

Try using your brain.
Why would it be any different from any other OS installation.

"rodolfo.garcia44@gmail.com" wrote:

> On Oct 16, 6:03 am, Summercool <Summercooln...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > After installing Ubuntu, it seemed that everything on my Drive C: was
> > lost.
> >
> > After hours of trying, it really turned out I lost EVERYTHING on my C:
> > drive.
> >
> > So I had to reformat the whole C: drive, and reinstall Vista on it.
> >
> > I lost all my bookmarks, in both IE and Firefox.
> >
> > I needed to reinstall every single application.
> >
> > I needed to reinstall all security update for Vista all over again.
> >
> > I wasted at least 5, 6 hours.
> >
> > How can "Ubuntu - Humanity towards others" erases people's whole hard
> > drive without a single warning?
> >
> > Think about it, some people may lose tens or hundreds of hours of
> > work, or 4, 5 years of photos and memories, just because Ubuntu erases
> > whole hard drive without warning.
> >
> > The following is the install option snapshot: IT NEVER warns you the
> > content in drive C: will be totally erased. What's more, it is set as
> > the DEFAULT ACTION. And it says it is "GUIDED":
> >
> > http://aycu03.webshots.com/image/325...0396146_rs.jpg
> >
> > I see that intermixed at the last install info page, it is said that
> > some partition on your hard drive will get erased. But how do I know
> > it isn't some partition that Ubuntu will create for me? Why not just
> > say "it means your whole hard drive's content will be erased" -- best
> > right after people click the "partition for whole drive" option.
> >
> > When it asked "How would you like to partition your hard drive",
> > choosing "Use entire drive" seems like "Yes, I want to partition my
> > entire C: drive and just make it dual boot with whatever OS that is
> > already there". And turned out actually it means, "use my whole C
> > drive and erase everything in it."
> >
> > Humanity towards others -- yes, when you make the software, think
> > about it can be you, your children in the future, or someone not as
> > skilled as you who will be using it. People don't have time to read
> > thousands of words of warning and note for the installation. Just
> > spend a little time to warn time before doing something as destructive
> > as erasing the whole hard drive.
>
>
> What do you expect?
> You didn't read the mountains of documentation that come with the
> typical Linux distribution, all via Google of course.
> Before you even begin to think about installing Linux, you must do
> your homework.
>
> You must learn about partitioning, the dev structure and all kinds of
> interesting stuff like that.
> You see, Linux is not like Windows.
> Linux assumes you have a brain, which obviously you don't.
>
> You have nobody to blame but yourself.
> Next time read the How-To's and Wikis before you damage your system.
>
>
>
>

Jeff

rodolfo.garcia44@gmail.com wrote:
> On Oct 16, 6:03 am, Summercool <Summercooln...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> After installing Ubuntu, it seemed that everything on my Drive C: was
>> lost.
>>
>> After hours of trying, it really turned out I lost EVERYTHING on my
>> C: drive.
>>
>> So I had to reformat the whole C: drive, and reinstall Vista on it.
>>
>> I lost all my bookmarks, in both IE and Firefox.
>>
>> I needed to reinstall every single application.
>>
>> I needed to reinstall all security update for Vista all over again.
>>
>> I wasted at least 5, 6 hours.
>>
>> How can "Ubuntu - Humanity towards others" erases people's whole hard
>> drive without a single warning?
>>
>> Think about it, some people may lose tens or hundreds of hours of
>> work, or 4, 5 years of photos and memories, just because Ubuntu
>> erases whole hard drive without warning.
>>
>> The following is the install option snapshot: IT NEVER warns you the
>> content in drive C: will be totally erased. What's more, it is set as
>> the DEFAULT ACTION. And it says it is "GUIDED":
>>
>> http://aycu03.webshots.com/image/325...0396146_rs.jpg
>>
>> I see that intermixed at the last install info page, it is said that
>> some partition on your hard drive will get erased. But how do I know
>> it isn't some partition that Ubuntu will create for me? Why not just
>> say "it means your whole hard drive's content will be erased" -- best
>> right after people click the "partition for whole drive" option.
>>
>> When it asked "How would you like to partition your hard drive",
>> choosing "Use entire drive" seems like "Yes, I want to partition my
>> entire C: drive and just make it dual boot with whatever OS that is
>> already there". And turned out actually it means, "use my whole C
>> drive and erase everything in it."
>>
>> Humanity towards others -- yes, when you make the software, think
>> about it can be you, your children in the future, or someone not as
>> skilled as you who will be using it. People don't have time to read
>> thousands of words of warning and note for the installation. Just
>> spend a little time to warn time before doing something as
>> destructive as erasing the whole hard drive.
>
>
> What do you expect?
> You didn't read the mountains of documentation that come with the
> typical Linux distribution, all via Google of course.
> Before you even begin to think about installing Linux, you must do
> your homework.
>
> You must learn about partitioning, the dev structure and all kinds of
> interesting stuff like that.
> You see, Linux is not like Windows.
> Linux assumes you have a brain, which obviously you don't.

Or, Linux - in a moment of supreme self-importance - thought for a
moment that it WAS Windows and just took over you PC......

(Sorry, could not resist).

Jeff