Jeff

Neither is Windows .......

Jeff

Richard Urban wrote:
> In other words, linux is not for the average use to perform an
> install when other operating systems are already on the computer.
> (bait)
>
> <rodolfo.garcia44@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1192557868.019180.120530@q3g2000prf.googlegro ups.com...
>> On Oct 16, 6:03 am, Summercool <Summercooln...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> After installing Ubuntu, it seemed that everything on my Drive C:
>>> was lost.
>>>
>>> After hours of trying, it really turned out I lost EVERYTHING on my
>>> C: drive.
>>>
>>> So I had to reformat the whole C: drive, and reinstall Vista on it.
>>>
>>> I lost all my bookmarks, in both IE and Firefox.
>>>
>>> I needed to reinstall every single application.
>>>
>>> I needed to reinstall all security update for Vista all over again.
>>>
>>> I wasted at least 5, 6 hours.
>>>
>>> How can "Ubuntu - Humanity towards others" erases people's whole
>>> hard drive without a single warning?
>>>
>>> Think about it, some people may lose tens or hundreds of hours of
>>> work, or 4, 5 years of photos and memories, just because Ubuntu
>>> erases whole hard drive without warning.
>>>
>>> The following is the install option snapshot: IT NEVER warns you the
>>> content in drive C: will be totally erased. What's more, it is set
>>> as the DEFAULT ACTION. And it says it is "GUIDED":
>>>
>>> http://aycu03.webshots.com/image/325...0396146_rs.jpg
>>>
>>> I see that intermixed at the last install info page, it is said that
>>> some partition on your hard drive will get erased. But how do I know
>>> it isn't some partition that Ubuntu will create for me? Why not just
>>> say "it means your whole hard drive's content will be erased" --
>>> best right after people click the "partition for whole drive"
>>> option. When it asked "How would you like to partition your hard
>>> drive",
>>> choosing "Use entire drive" seems like "Yes, I want to partition my
>>> entire C: drive and just make it dual boot with whatever OS that is
>>> already there". And turned out actually it means, "use my whole C
>>> drive and erase everything in it."
>>>
>>> Humanity towards others -- yes, when you make the software, think
>>> about it can be you, your children in the future, or someone not as
>>> skilled as you who will be using it. People don't have time to read
>>> thousands of words of warning and note for the installation. Just
>>> spend a little time to warn time before doing something as
>>> destructive as erasing the whole hard drive.
>>
>>
>> What do you expect?
>> You didn't read the mountains of documentation that come with the
>> typical Linux distribution, all via Google of course.
>> Before you even begin to think about installing Linux, you must do
>> your homework.
>>
>> You must learn about partitioning, the dev structure and all kinds of
>> interesting stuff like that.
>> You see, Linux is not like Windows.
>> Linux assumes you have a brain, which obviously you don't.
>>
>> You have nobody to blame but yourself.
>> Next time read the How-To's and Wikis before you damage your system.

Jeff

Snuff wrote:
> On Tue, 16 Oct 2007 13:44:34 -0500, Ignoramus1841
> <ignoramus1841@NOSPAM.1841.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On 2007-10-16, Richard Urban <richardurbanREMOVETHIS@hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>> In other words, linux is not for the average use to perform an
>>> install when other operating systems are already on the computer.
>>> (bait)
>>>
>>
>> Any install of Windows would blow away other operating systems due to
>> its use of bootloader, right?
>>
>> i
> Well not quite. Windows always overwrites the boot partition and
> thereby screws grub, lilo or whatever.
>
> However, all you need is your linux install disk and a bit of
> knowledge and you can get to a command line in Linux, reinstall grub
> to the boot partition and be back in business in no time.

But, the bit of knowledge is precisely what is missing here. This is a
person who though partitioning meant "dividing you data". You really
think he knows what a boot partition or grub are?

>
> Strangely, despite being a former penguinista, I find that Vista is
> alright for me (save a few flaws with my business's web based accounts
> system) and that I cannot be bothered with the challenge of how to
> make linux do what I want any more. Anyway, if I want quasi unix, I
> have an iMac for that sort of thing!

chrisv

Gene Jones wrote:

>ah, on a well crafted OS, it would be IMPOSSIBLE to do what happened to
>this person.

Obviously wrong. You are either very ignorant, or you're just a lying
troll.

>The Linux community screwed up, and should go to work at
>repairing ALL distros with this FLAW to make sure this combination can
>never happen again

It's not flaw. The installer did what it was told to do. The
operator ignored clear warnings.

But I see that you're too fscking stupid to waste any more of my time
on. *plonk*

Stephan Rose

On Tue, 16 Oct 2007 11:04:28 -0700, rodolfo.garcia44 wrote:

> On Oct 16, 6:03 am, Summercool <Summercooln...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> After installing Ubuntu, it seemed that everything on my Drive C: was
>> lost.
>>
>> After hours of trying, it really turned out I lost EVERYTHING on my C:
>> drive.
>>
>> So I had to reformat the whole C: drive, and reinstall Vista on it.
>>
>> I lost all my bookmarks, in both IE and Firefox.
>>
>> I needed to reinstall every single application.
>>
>> I needed to reinstall all security update for Vista all over again.
>>
>> I wasted at least 5, 6 hours.
>>
>> How can "Ubuntu - Humanity towards others" erases people's whole hard
>> drive without a single warning?
>>
>> Think about it, some people may lose tens or hundreds of hours of work,
>> or 4, 5 years of photos and memories, just because Ubuntu erases whole
>> hard drive without warning.
>>
>> The following is the install option snapshot: IT NEVER warns you the
>> content in drive C: will be totally erased. What's more, it is set as
>> the DEFAULT ACTION. And it says it is "GUIDED":
>>
>> http://aycu03.webshots.com/image/325...0396146_rs.jpg

It says "Guided - Use entire disk".

Now what particular part about "Use Entire Disk" is beyond your
comprehension?


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2003 Yamaha R6

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君のこと忘れたときがないから

spike1@freenet.co.uk

In the sacred domain of comp.os.linux.advocacy,
dennis@home <dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net> didnst hastily scribble thusly:

> "lee h" <noti@domain.invalid> wrote in message
> news:MM7Ri.10622$lD6.5170@newssvr27.news.prodigy.n et...
>> rodolfo.garcia44@gmail.com wrote:
>>> On Oct 16, 6:03 am, Summercool <Summercooln...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> After installing Ubuntu, it seemed that everything on my Drive C: was
>>>> lost.
>>>>
>>
>> For the simplest Ubuntu install on a windows box, use Wubi
>> (Windows Ubuntu Installer).

> Its a bit too late for that.
> The lack of a suitable warning has made sure another potential Linux user
> will stick with something else.

What lack of suitable warning?
Can you show us some screen shots of this "lack of warning"?

> This is the problem with Linux ..

No it isn't.

> it is written by geeks who have no idea
> how simple it has to be for the mass market.

No it isn't. Ever installed windows?


> Windows would have warned the user at least twice before removing a Linux
> partition and that would be after selecting the partition and saying delete.

Hahaha, oh really? Let's see some proof that linux didn't warn him then,
shall we?
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Stephan Rose

On Tue, 16 Oct 2007 21:02:16 +0100, dennis@home wrote:

> "lee h" <noti@domain.invalid> wrote in message
> news:MM7Ri.10622$lD6.5170@newssvr27.news.prodigy.n et...
>> rodolfo.garcia44@gmail.com wrote:
>>> On Oct 16, 6:03 am, Summercool <Summercooln...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> After installing Ubuntu, it seemed that everything on my Drive C: was
>>>> lost.
>>>>
>>>>
>> For the simplest Ubuntu install on a windows box, use Wubi (Windows
>> Ubuntu Installer).
>
> Its a bit too late for that.
> The lack of a suitable warning has made sure another potential Linux
> user will stick with something else.
> This is the problem with Linux .. it is written by geeks who have no
> idea how simple it has to be for the mass market. Windows would have
> warned the user at least twice before removing a Linux partition and
> that would be after selecting the partition and saying delete.

Oh come on Dennis...

What part about "Guided - Use entire disk" is difficult to understand? I
mean it frigging says "entire disk" right next to it!!!

How can you blame the OS Installer if the user is incapable of reading
the whole sentence?

Also, the Ubuntu installer will show a list of partition / file system
changes it makes to what drives and what partition that the user has to
OK before actually doing it.

So you can't even accidentally click continue and overwrite the system.
You need to do so twice.

Also, how is this different from installing XP or Vista?

Last time I checked, XP and Vista also give you just a list of drives /
partitions and you just go pick one to install on, or you can manually
configure the partitions. How is that any different? Except of course
Vista or XP don't ask a second time just to make sure you didn't make a
mistake. I suppose that is one difference.

--
Stephan
2003 Yamaha R6

君のこと思い出す日なんてないのは
君のこと忘れたときがないから

kevpan815@nospam.hotmail.com

rodolfo.garcia44@gmail.com wrote:
> On Oct 16, 6:03 am, Summercool <Summercooln...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> After installing Ubuntu, it seemed that everything on my Drive C: was
>> lost.
>>
>> After hours of trying, it really turned out I lost EVERYTHING on my C:
>> drive.
>>
>> So I had to reformat the whole C: drive, and reinstall Vista on it.
>>
>> I lost all my bookmarks, in both IE and Firefox.
>>
>> I needed to reinstall every single application.
>>
>> I needed to reinstall all security update for Vista all over again.
>>
>> I wasted at least 5, 6 hours.
>>
>> How can "Ubuntu - Humanity towards others" erases people's whole hard
>> drive without a single warning?
>>
>> Think about it, some people may lose tens or hundreds of hours of
>> work, or 4, 5 years of photos and memories, just because Ubuntu erases
>> whole hard drive without warning.
>>
>> The following is the install option snapshot: IT NEVER warns you the
>> content in drive C: will be totally erased. What's more, it is set as
>> the DEFAULT ACTION. And it says it is "GUIDED":
>>
>> http://aycu03.webshots.com/image/325...0396146_rs.jpg
>>
>> I see that intermixed at the last install info page, it is said that
>> some partition on your hard drive will get erased. But how do I know
>> it isn't some partition that Ubuntu will create for me? Why not just
>> say "it means your whole hard drive's content will be erased" -- best
>> right after people click the "partition for whole drive" option.
>>
>> When it asked "How would you like to partition your hard drive",
>> choosing "Use entire drive" seems like "Yes, I want to partition my
>> entire C: drive and just make it dual boot with whatever OS that is
>> already there". And turned out actually it means, "use my whole C
>> drive and erase everything in it."
>>
>> Humanity towards others -- yes, when you make the software, think
>> about it can be you, your children in the future, or someone not as
>> skilled as you who will be using it. People don't have time to read
>> thousands of words of warning and note for the installation. Just
>> spend a little time to warn time before doing something as destructive
>> as erasing the whole hard drive.
>
>
> What do you expect?
> You didn't read the mountains of documentation that come with the
> typical Linux distribution, all via Google of course.
> Before you even begin to think about installing Linux, you must do
> your homework.
>
> You must learn about partitioning, the dev structure and all kinds of
> interesting stuff like that.
> You see, Linux is not like Windows.
> Linux assumes you have a brain, which obviously you don't.
>
> You have nobody to blame but yourself.
> Next time read the How-To's and Wikis before you damage your system.
>
>
>
Bug Report Closed, By Design, Just FYI.

dennis@home

<spike1@freenet.co.uk> wrote in message
news:selfu4-ije.ln1@ridcully.ntlworld.com...
> In the sacred domain of comp.os.linux.advocacy,
> dennis@home <dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net> didnst hastily scribble
> thusly:
>
>> "lee h" <noti@domain.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:MM7Ri.10622$lD6.5170@newssvr27.news.prodigy.n et...
>>> rodolfo.garcia44@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> On Oct 16, 6:03 am, Summercool <Summercooln...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> After installing Ubuntu, it seemed that everything on my Drive C: was
>>>>> lost.
>>>>>
>>>
>>> For the simplest Ubuntu install on a windows box, use Wubi
>>> (Windows Ubuntu Installer).
>
>> Its a bit too late for that.
>> The lack of a suitable warning has made sure another potential Linux user
>> will stick with something else.
>
> What lack of suitable warning?
> Can you show us some screen shots of this "lack of warning"?
>
>> This is the problem with Linux ..
>
> No it isn't.

Linux's success says otherwise.

>> it is written by geeks who have no idea
>> how simple it has to be for the mass market.
>
> No it isn't. Ever installed windows?

3.0,3.1,3.11,95,98,98se,nt,2000,xp,vista,soaris,fe dora,unixware,ubuntu,rmx
and a few I have forgotten.
Which have you installed?

>
>
>> Windows would have warned the user at least twice before removing a Linux
>> partition and that would be after selecting the partition and saying
>> delete.
>
> Hahaha, oh really?

Do you doubt it?
Have you never installed windows?

> Let's see some proof that linux didn't warn him then,
> shall we?

dennis@home

"Stephan Rose" <nospam@spammer.com> wrote in message
news:yqqdneUOjLVLuojanZ2dnUVZ8s3inZ2d@giganews.com ...
> On Tue, 16 Oct 2007 21:02:16 +0100, dennis@home wrote:
>
>> "lee h" <noti@domain.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:MM7Ri.10622$lD6.5170@newssvr27.news.prodigy.n et...
>>> rodolfo.garcia44@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> On Oct 16, 6:03 am, Summercool <Summercooln...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> After installing Ubuntu, it seemed that everything on my Drive C: was
>>>>> lost.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>> For the simplest Ubuntu install on a windows box, use Wubi (Windows
>>> Ubuntu Installer).
>>
>> Its a bit too late for that.
>> The lack of a suitable warning has made sure another potential Linux
>> user will stick with something else.
>> This is the problem with Linux .. it is written by geeks who have no
>> idea how simple it has to be for the mass market. Windows would have
>> warned the user at least twice before removing a Linux partition and
>> that would be after selecting the partition and saying delete.
>
> Oh come on Dennis...
>
> What part about "Guided - Use entire disk" is difficult to understand? I
> mean it frigging says "entire disk" right next to it!!!

Well that assumes the installer knows what a disk is to start with.
If they select manual then they get presented with even more problems.

> How can you blame the OS Installer if the user is incapable of reading
> the whole sentence?
>
> Also, the Ubuntu installer will show a list of partition / file system
> changes it makes to what drives and what partition that the user has to
> OK before actually doing it.
>
> So you can't even accidentally click continue and overwrite the system.
> You need to do so twice.

At no time does it actually tell the user that the data on their system will
be lost if they proceed.
As I said before Linux expects the user to know too much.
It was written by geeks who either don't understand the target audience or
don't expect Linux to be used by the masses.

> Also, how is this different from installing XP or Vista?
>
> Last time I checked, XP and Vista also give you just a list of drives /
> partitions and you just go pick one to install on, or you can manually
> configure the partitions. How is that any different? Except of course
> Vista or XP don't ask a second time just to make sure you didn't make a
> mistake. I suppose that is one difference.

Except that they will not remove the data from a partition without warning
the user unlike what you state above.
Also if you were truthful you would admit that Vista and XP ask twice before
removing a partition and tell the user that it may contain data that will be
lost if they do. It even asks twice before it will format one.
I suggest you dig out you windows disks and try an install as you appear to
have forgotten what it does.

spike1@freenet.co.uk

In the sacred domain of comp.os.linux.advocacy,
dennis@home <dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net> didnst hastily scribble thusly:
> 3.0,3.1,3.11,95,98,98se,nt,2000,xp,vista,soaris,fe dora,unixware,ubuntu,rmx
> and a few I have forgotten.
> Which have you installed?

Too many.

> Do you doubt it?
> Have you never installed windows?

As I said, Too many times.

>> Let's see some proof that linux didn't warn him then,
>> shall we?


Didn't think so.
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| in |microprocessor, written by a 2 bit company, that|
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