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Unread 07-12-2007, 03:14 PM   #1
Kate
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XP Home Edition - ntbackup.msi

I am thinking of installing the above Backup utility. Can anyone
confirm that it saves in the file`s native format, please?

Thanks
Kate

 
Unread 07-12-2007, 03:16 PM   #2
Shenan Stanley
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Re: XP Home Edition - ntbackup.msi

Kate wrote:
> I am thinking of installing the above Backup utility. Can anyone
> confirm that it saves in the file`s native format, please?


By, "...it saves in the file's native format...", do you mean it makes an
uncompressed/unchanged copy of the files? Just like you would using the
copy/move/xcopy/etc commands?

As far as I know - NTBackup puts everything into .BKF files - for which you
need to use NTBackup (or another utility that will read the data from such
files) to get the data back out.

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MS-MVP
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http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html


 
Unread 07-12-2007, 04:13 PM   #3
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"Kate" <@*slamaspam*.demon.co.uk> wrote in message news:u9b3pAOOIHA.4176@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>I am thinking of installing the above Backup utility. Can anyone confirm that it saves in the
>file`s native format, please?
>
> Thanks
> Kate
>

No, the files are in compressed format. Also, from history, the MS Backup is a very poor
application.
The files made by Windows 98 backup could not be read by Windows XP backup and I suspect that the
Backup by XP cannot be read by Vista backup.

Find a third party program to do your backups.
Many will do native format and you can use them in many versions of Windows.


 
Unread 07-12-2007, 04:14 PM   #4
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"Shenan Stanley" <newshelper***********> wrote in message
news:uzo$mMOOIHA.5208@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> Kate wrote:
>> I am thinking of installing the above Backup utility. Can anyone
>> confirm that it saves in the file`s native format, please?

>
> By, "...it saves in the file's native format...", do you mean it
> makes an uncompressed/unchanged copy of the files? Just like you
> would using the copy/move/xcopy/etc commands?
>
> As far as I know - NTBackup puts everything into .BKF files - for
> which you need to use NTBackup (or another utility that will read
> the data from such files) to get the data back out.
>
> --
> Shenan Stanley
> MS-MVP
> --
> How To Ask Questions The Smart Way
> http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
>


That is what I feared. I currently use a backup program which saves
files in its own format, which means that if I need to restore
anything, I have to use the same software. Nor can I see or open what
has been saved. I want to back up, say, compressed .tiffs as
compressed .tiffs, .docs as .docs, etc, so I guess that I shall have
to manually copy/move what I wish to back up and make sure I keep
up-to-date, rather than being able to automate it. I have about 7GB
of data that I want to copy to an external hard drive. Is
Ctrl+drag-and-drop a reliable method do you know, please, or can you
recommend a better method?

Thanks for getting back to me.
Kate

 
Unread 07-12-2007, 05:14 PM   #5
Shenan Stanley
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Re: XP Home Edition - ntbackup.msi

Kate wrote:
> I am thinking of installing the above Backup utility. Can anyone
> confirm that it saves in the file`s native format, please?


Shenan Stanley wrote:
> By, "...it saves in the file's native format...", do you mean it
> makes an uncompressed/unchanged copy of the files? Just like you
> would using the copy/move/xcopy/etc commands?
>
> As far as I know - NTBackup puts everything into .BKF files - for
> which you need to use NTBackup (or another utility that will read
> the data from such files) to get the data back out.


Kate wrote:
> That is what I feared. I currently use a backup program which saves
> files in its own format, which means that if I need to restore
> anything, I have to use the same software. Nor can I see or open
> what has been saved. I want to back up, say, compressed .tiffs as
> compressed .tiffs, .docs as .docs, etc, so I guess that I shall have
> to manually copy/move what I wish to back up and make sure I keep
> up-to-date, rather than being able to automate it. I have about 7GB
> of data that I want to copy to an external hard drive. Is
> Ctrl+drag-and-drop a reliable method do you know, please, or can you
> recommend a better method?


So you are looking for a synchronization application more than a backup
application. Subtle difference.

You could utilize "SyncToy" from Microsoft to synchronize several folders
between two places (in different ways) or some other third party
'synchronization' application.

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...displaylang=en

--
Shenan Stanley
MS-MVP
--
How To Ask Questions The Smart Way
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html


 
Unread 07-12-2007, 06:18 PM   #6
Kate
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Re: XP Home Edition - ntbackup.msi


"Shenan Stanley" <newshelper***********> wrote in message
news:uiglC9OOIHA.5140@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> Kate wrote:
>> I am thinking of installing the above Backup utility. Can anyone
>> confirm that it saves in the file`s native format, please?

>
> Shenan Stanley wrote:
>> By, "...it saves in the file's native format...", do you mean it
>> makes an uncompressed/unchanged copy of the files? Just like you
>> would using the copy/move/xcopy/etc commands?
>>
>> As far as I know - NTBackup puts everything into .BKF files - for
>> which you need to use NTBackup (or another utility that will read
>> the data from such files) to get the data back out.

>
> Kate wrote:
>> That is what I feared. I currently use a backup program which
>> saves
>> files in its own format, which means that if I need to restore
>> anything, I have to use the same software. Nor can I see or open
>> what has been saved. I want to back up, say, compressed .tiffs as
>> compressed .tiffs, .docs as .docs, etc, so I guess that I shall
>> have
>> to manually copy/move what I wish to back up and make sure I keep
>> up-to-date, rather than being able to automate it. I have about
>> 7GB
>> of data that I want to copy to an external hard drive. Is
>> Ctrl+drag-and-drop a reliable method do you know, please, or can
>> you recommend a better method?

>
> So you are looking for a synchronization application more than a
> backup application. Subtle difference.
>
> You could utilize "SyncToy" from Microsoft to synchronize several
> folders between two places (in different ways) or some other third
> party 'synchronization' application.
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...displaylang=en
>
> --
> Shenan Stanley
> MS-MVP
> --
> How To Ask Questions The Smart Way
> http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html


That sounds just the thing I wanted. I had no idea such software was
available so thank you very much for telling me.

I have tried to post another query 3 times, but it hasn`t appeared on
my computer for some reason, so I wonder if you could help me on
another matter, please? Could you tell me how to freeze and then
scroll the boot-up window? I don`t want to enter Set Up, but am
curious to see what is on the screen; also, the knowledge might be
useful one day. I remember being able to do it in Win 98SE, but
cannot recall how.

Many thanks
Kate

 
Unread 07-12-2007, 07:16 PM   #7
Richard in AZ
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Re: XP Home Edition - ntbackup.msi


"Kate" <@*slamaspam*.demon.co.uk> wrote in message news:ONTYpZPOIHA.5400@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>
> "Shenan Stanley" <newshelper***********> wrote in message
> news:uiglC9OOIHA.5140@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> Kate wrote:
>>> I am thinking of installing the above Backup utility. Can anyone
>>> confirm that it saves in the file`s native format, please?

>>
>> Shenan Stanley wrote:
>>> By, "...it saves in the file's native format...", do you mean it
>>> makes an uncompressed/unchanged copy of the files? Just like you
>>> would using the copy/move/xcopy/etc commands?
>>>
>>> As far as I know - NTBackup puts everything into .BKF files - for
>>> which you need to use NTBackup (or another utility that will read
>>> the data from such files) to get the data back out.

>>
>> Kate wrote:
>>> That is what I feared. I currently use a backup program which
>>> saves
>>> files in its own format, which means that if I need to restore
>>> anything, I have to use the same software. Nor can I see or open
>>> what has been saved. I want to back up, say, compressed .tiffs as
>>> compressed .tiffs, .docs as .docs, etc, so I guess that I shall
>>> have
>>> to manually copy/move what I wish to back up and make sure I keep
>>> up-to-date, rather than being able to automate it. I have about
>>> 7GB
>>> of data that I want to copy to an external hard drive. Is
>>> Ctrl+drag-and-drop a reliable method do you know, please, or can
>>> you recommend a better method?

>>
>> So you are looking for a synchronization application more than a
>> backup application. Subtle difference.
>>
>> You could utilize "SyncToy" from Microsoft to synchronize several
>> folders between two places (in different ways) or some other third
>> party 'synchronization' application.
>>
>> http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...displaylang=en
>>
>> --
>> Shenan Stanley
>> MS-MVP
>> --
>> How To Ask Questions The Smart Way
>> http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

>
> That sounds just the thing I wanted. I had no idea such software was
> available so thank you very much for telling me.
>
> I have tried to post another query 3 times, but it hasn`t appeared on
> my computer for some reason, so I wonder if you could help me on
> another matter, please? Could you tell me how to freeze and then
> scroll the boot-up window? I don`t want to enter Set Up, but am
> curious to see what is on the screen; also, the knowledge might be
> useful one day. I remember being able to do it in Win 98SE, but
> cannot recall how.
>
> Many thanks
> Kate

Press the "Pause - Break" key on the keyboard. Then press it again to restart the roll.
Be aware, you will have to be quick.


 
Unread 07-12-2007, 07:16 PM   #8
Kate
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Re: XP Home Edition - ntbackup.msi


"Richard in AZ" <me@mailinator.com> wrote in message
news:eNy0ZEQOIHA.3816@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>
> "Kate" <@*slamaspam*.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:ONTYpZPOIHA.5400@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>
>> "Shenan Stanley" <newshelper***********> wrote in message
>> news:uiglC9OOIHA.5140@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>> Kate wrote:
>>>> I am thinking of installing the above Backup utility. Can anyone
>>>> confirm that it saves in the file`s native format, please?
>>>
>>> Shenan Stanley wrote:
>>>> By, "...it saves in the file's native format...", do you mean it
>>>> makes an uncompressed/unchanged copy of the files? Just like you
>>>> would using the copy/move/xcopy/etc commands?
>>>>
>>>> As far as I know - NTBackup puts everything into .BKF files - for
>>>> which you need to use NTBackup (or another utility that will read
>>>> the data from such files) to get the data back out.
>>>
>>> Kate wrote:
>>>> That is what I feared. I currently use a backup program which
>>>> saves files in its own format, which means that if I need to
>>>> restore anything, I have to use the same software. Nor can I see
>>>> or open what has been saved. I want to back up, say, compressed
>>>> .tiffs as compressed .tiffs, .docs as .docs, etc, so I guess that
>>>> I shall have to manually copy/move what I wish to back up and
>>>> make sure I keep up-to-date, rather than being able to automate
>>>> it. I have about 7GB of data that I want to copy to an external
>>>> hard drive. Is Ctrl+drag-and-drop a reliable method do you know,
>>>> please, or can you recommend a better method?
>>>
>>> So you are looking for a synchronization application more than a
>>> backup application. Subtle difference.
>>>
>>> You could utilize "SyncToy" from Microsoft to synchronize several
>>> folders between two places (in different ways) or some other third
>>> party 'synchronization' application.
>>>
>>> http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...displaylang=en
>>>
>>> --
>>> Shenan Stanley
>>> MS-MVP
>>> --
>>> How To Ask Questions The Smart Way
>>> http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

>>
>> That sounds just the thing I wanted. I had no idea such software
>> was available so thank you very much for telling me.
>>
>> I have tried to post another query 3 times, but it hasn`t appeared
>> on my computer for some reason, so I wonder if you could help me on
>> another matter, please? Could you tell me how to freeze and then
>> scroll the boot-up window? I don`t want to enter Set Up, but am
>> curious to see what is on the screen; also, the knowledge might be
>> useful one day. I remember being able to do it in Win 98SE, but
>> cannot recall how.
>>
>> Many thanks
>> Kate


> Press the "Pause - Break" key on the keyboard. Then press it again
> to restart the roll.
> Be aware, you will have to be quick.


Thanks for that. I shall give it a try.
Reverting to my original question and Shenan Stanley`s suggestion of
SyncToy, I have found that I need .net framework to run this utility.
Unfortunately, when I went to download it, I was given a choice of x64
version, x86 version or IA64 version, with no explanation of the
differences. I have posted a query on the .net.framework NG, but in
case I do not get a reply, I would like to ask if anyone here can tell
me which version I should download, please.

Thanks again for your help and patience
Kate

 
Unread 07-12-2007, 08:14 PM   #9
Shenan Stanley
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Re: XP Home Edition - ntbackup.msi

Kate wrote:
> Reverting to my original question and Shenan Stanley`s suggestion of
> SyncToy, I have found that I need .net framework to run this
> utility. Unfortunately, when I went to download it, I was given a
> choice of x64 version, x86 version or IA64 version, with no
> explanation of the differences. I have posted a query on the
> .net.framework NG, but in case I do not get a reply, I would like
> to ask if anyone here can tell me which version I should download,
> please.


You are unlikely to need a 64 bit.
You should get the x86 (32bit version.)

--
Shenan Stanley
MS-MVP
--
How To Ask Questions The Smart Way
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html


 
Unread 07-12-2007, 08:14 PM   #10
Kate
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Re: XP Home Edition - ntbackup.msi


"Shenan Stanley" <newshelper***********> wrote in message
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> Kate wrote:
>> Reverting to my original question and Shenan Stanley`s suggestion
>> of
>> SyncToy, I have found that I need .net framework to run this
>> utility. Unfortunately, when I went to download it, I was given a
>> choice of x64 version, x86 version or IA64 version, with no
>> explanation of the differences. I have posted a query on the
>> .net.framework NG, but in case I do not get a reply, I would like
>> to ask if anyone here can tell me which version I should download,
>> please.

>
> You are unlikely to need a 64 bit.
> You should get the x86 (32bit version.)
>
> --
> Shenan Stanley
> MS-MVP
> --
> How To Ask Questions The Smart Way
> http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html


Thank you yet again, Shenan. Yes, the 32 bit version is the one I
need. If the download page had put "x86 (32 bit)", I wouldn`t have had
to ask.

Kate


 
 

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