Scams

Ben Stevenson

I need the help of you knowledgeable people to help me redress a scam
problem suffered by my son.

He paid about $200 into one of the US firms for a WorkAtHome program several
weeks ago. For all he has tried with them, they only pracrise avoidance to
acknowledge that he is not getting the reqd training materials they had
promised him. He's about to give up now, but I thought that perhaps some of
you could help.

Pls advise me on who or what are the organisations/authorities in the US who
monitor and/or prosecute such cases, to whom I can make a complaint for them
to investigate and prosecute. Would appreciate your help very much.
Thanks

Malke

Ben Stevenson wrote:

> I need the help of you knowledgeable people to help me redress a scam
> problem suffered by my son.
>
> He paid about $200 into one of the US firms for a WorkAtHome program
> several weeks ago. For all he has tried with them, they only pracrise
> avoidance to acknowledge that he is not getting the reqd training
> materials they had promised him. He's about to give up now, but I thought
> that perhaps some of you could help.
>
> Pls advise me on who or what are the organisations/authorities in the US
> who monitor and/or prosecute such cases, to whom I can make a complaint
> for them to investigate and prosecute. Would appreciate your help very
> much. Thanks

You've posted in a newsgroup dealing with basic questions about the Windows
XP operating system. Your son's issue, while regrettable, has nothing to do
with Windows XP and nothing to do with computers for that matter.

You or your son should consult an attorney and/or the legal authorities
where you live. They will know what actions to take.

Malke
--
MS-MVP
Elephant Boy Computers
www.elephantboycomputers.com
Don't Panic!

Gerry

Malke

It is a Trading Standards issue in the UK i.e the costs of getting legal
advice would not justify employing a Solicitor (Attorney). What I
suspect could be a problem is whether a Local Trading Standards Officer
has jurisdiction over an overseas transaction and enforcement could be
difficult, unless the US business has assets to seize in the UK. The OP
might look at how the payment of the $200 was made. Some methods of
payment enable a dissatisfied customer to recover from the intermediary
faciltating the payment to the supplier.

--
Regards.

Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


Malke wrote:
> Ben Stevenson wrote:
>
>> I need the help of you knowledgeable people to help me redress a scam
>> problem suffered by my son.
>>
>> He paid about $200 into one of the US firms for a WorkAtHome program
>> several weeks ago. For all he has tried with them, they only pracrise
>> avoidance to acknowledge that he is not getting the reqd training
>> materials they had promised him. He's about to give up now, but I
>> thought that perhaps some of you could help.
>>
>> Pls advise me on who or what are the organisations/authorities in
>> the US who monitor and/or prosecute such cases, to whom I can make a
>> complaint for them to investigate and prosecute. Would appreciate
>> your help very much. Thanks
>
> You've posted in a newsgroup dealing with basic questions about the
> Windows XP operating system. Your son's issue, while regrettable, has
> nothing to do with Windows XP and nothing to do with computers for
> that matter.
>
> You or your son should consult an attorney and/or the legal
> authorities where you live. They will know what actions to take.
>
> Malke

Tom [Pepper] Willett

This has nothing to do with the Windows XP operating system.

You can start by contacting the Better Business Bureau in your area.

"Ben Stevenson" <casiopie963@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:%23fpy62cpIHA.2256@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
:I need the help of you knowledgeable people to help me redress a scam
: problem suffered by my son.
:
: He paid about $200 into one of the US firms for a WorkAtHome program
several
: weeks ago. For all he has tried with them, they only pracrise avoidance to
: acknowledge that he is not getting the reqd training materials they had
: promised him. He's about to give up now, but I thought that perhaps some
of
: you could help.
:
: Pls advise me on who or what are the organisations/authorities in the US
who
: monitor and/or prosecute such cases, to whom I can make a complaint for
them
: to investigate and prosecute. Would appreciate your help very much.
: Thanks
:
:

Bruce Chambers

Ben Stevenson wrote:
> I need the help of you knowledgeable people to help me redress a scam
> problem suffered by my son.
>
> He paid about $200 into one of the US firms for a WorkAtHome program several
> weeks ago. For all he has tried with them, they only pracrise avoidance to
> acknowledge that he is not getting the reqd training materials they had
> promised him. He's about to give up now, but I thought that perhaps some of
> you could help.
>
> Pls advise me on who or what are the organisations/authorities in the US who
> monitor and/or prosecute such cases, to whom I can make a complaint for them
> to investigate and prosecute. Would appreciate your help very much.
> Thanks
>
>


His state's Attorney General Consumer Protection division and the
Better Business Bureau come to mind immediately. Additionally, many
local news papers and television stations have a Consumer Hot-Line or
some such with which to expose scammers. If any correspondence or
material has been exchanged via snail mail, the U.S. Postal Service
might be able to go after the company in question for mail fraud.



--

Bruce Chambers

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safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin

Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. ~Bertrand Russell

The philosopher has never killed any priests, whereas the priest has
killed a great many philosophers.
~ Denis Diderot

Ben Stevenson

You are right about the cost of getting a lawyer. I am in Singapore and we
do not have the organisation that can seek redress for fraud commited in the
US. Cross country issues can be very complex and expensive, hence my wanting
to complain to the US organisation direct.

As for me posting on the newsgroup, I know that it was not the appropriate.
But I am seeking help from anyone who might know. I just do not know where
to turn for help at this time

"Gerry" <gerry@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:Opc9V7gpIHA.2068@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> Malke
>
> It is a Trading Standards issue in the UK i.e the costs of getting legal
> advice would not justify employing a Solicitor (Attorney). What I suspect
> could be a problem is whether a Local Trading Standards Officer has
> jurisdiction over an overseas transaction and enforcement could be
> difficult, unless the US business has assets to seize in the UK. The OP
> might look at how the payment of the $200 was made. Some methods of
> payment enable a dissatisfied customer to recover from the intermediary
> faciltating the payment to the supplier.
>
> --
> Regards.
>
> Gerry
> ~~~~
> FCA
> Stourport, England
> Enquire, plan and execute
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>
> Malke wrote:
>> Ben Stevenson wrote:
>>
>>> I need the help of you knowledgeable people to help me redress a scam
>>> problem suffered by my son.
>>>
>>> He paid about $200 into one of the US firms for a WorkAtHome program
>>> several weeks ago. For all he has tried with them, they only pracrise
>>> avoidance to acknowledge that he is not getting the reqd training
>>> materials they had promised him. He's about to give up now, but I
>>> thought that perhaps some of you could help.
>>>
>>> Pls advise me on who or what are the organisations/authorities in
>>> the US who monitor and/or prosecute such cases, to whom I can make a
>>> complaint for them to investigate and prosecute. Would appreciate
>>> your help very much. Thanks
>>
>> You've posted in a newsgroup dealing with basic questions about the
>> Windows XP operating system. Your son's issue, while regrettable, has
>> nothing to do with Windows XP and nothing to do with computers for
>> that matter.
>>
>> You or your son should consult an attorney and/or the legal
>> authorities where you live. They will know what actions to take.
>>
>> Malke
>
>

Ben Stevenson

Regretable, all my correspondence with the US firm was by email. Had it been
by letters, your advise would have been good. I wish to write directly to
the US organisations that deal with such fraudsters, and I hope someone can
give me a few names.

"Bruce Chambers" <bchambers@cable0ne.n3t> wrote in message
news:emdIDLnpIHA.2068@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> Ben Stevenson wrote:
>> I need the help of you knowledgeable people to help me redress a scam
>> problem suffered by my son.
>>
>> He paid about $200 into one of the US firms for a WorkAtHome program
>> several weeks ago. For all he has tried with them, they only pracrise
>> avoidance to acknowledge that he is not getting the reqd training
>> materials they had promised him. He's about to give up now, but I thought
>> that perhaps some of you could help.
>>
>> Pls advise me on who or what are the organisations/authorities in the US
>> who monitor and/or prosecute such cases, to whom I can make a complaint
>> for them to investigate and prosecute. Would appreciate your help very
>> much.
>> Thanks
>
>
> His state's Attorney General Consumer Protection division and the Better
> Business Bureau come to mind immediately. Additionally, many local news
> papers and television stations have a Consumer Hot-Line or some such with
> which to expose scammers. If any correspondence or material has been
> exchanged via snail mail, the U.S. Postal Service might be able to go
> after the company in question for mail fraud.
>
>
>
> --
>
> Bruce Chambers
>
> Help us help you:
> http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
>
> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/kb/555375
>
> They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
> safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin
>
> Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. ~Bertrand
> Russell
>
> The philosopher has never killed any priests, whereas the priest has
> killed a great many philosophers.
> ~ Denis Diderot

Bruce Chambers

Ben Stevenson wrote:
> Regretable, all my correspondence with the US firm was by email. Had it been
> by letters, your advise would have been good. I wish to write directly to
> the US organisations that deal with such fraudsters, and I hope someone can
> give me a few names.
>


The first thing you'll need to understand is that, under American law,
you have no legal standing to be making any complaints in the matter as
you've described it, unless your son is under 18 years of age. As the
alleged victim, your son is the one who must contact the authorities.
As you're in Singapore (and haven't said where your son is living), you
might try consulting someone at the American Consulate.


--

Bruce Chambers

Help us help you:
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/kb/555375

They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin

Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. ~Bertrand Russell

The philosopher has never killed any priests, whereas the priest has
killed a great many philosophers.
~ Denis Diderot

Paul MR

Ben Stevenson wrote:
> I need the help of you knowledgeable people to help me redress a scam
> problem suffered by my son.
>
> He paid about $200 into one of the US firms for a WorkAtHome program several
> weeks ago. For all he has tried with them, they only pracrise avoidance to
> acknowledge that he is not getting the reqd training materials they had
> promised him. He's about to give up now, but I thought that perhaps some of
> you could help.
>
> Pls advise me on who or what are the organisations/authorities in the US who
> monitor and/or prosecute such cases, to whom I can make a complaint for them
> to investigate and prosecute. Would appreciate your help very much.
> Thanks
>
>
If you or your son paid by credit card, start there by writing to void
the transaction. There are governmental agencies (Federal Trade
Commission, state attorney generals, county district attorneys, etc) but
most likely they will file your complaint away and do nothing at all to
help you.

Ben Stevenson

Thanks for your response. My son is here with me. There'll be no problem
getting him to take up the complaint. Would there be any newsgroups that
handle matters like these?
Thanks

"Bruce Chambers" <bchambers@cable0ne.n3t> wrote in message
news:e6daRiupIHA.4912@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> Ben Stevenson wrote:
>> Regretable, all my correspondence with the US firm was by email. Had it
>> been by letters, your advise would have been good. I wish to write
>> directly to the US organisations that deal with such fraudsters, and I
>> hope someone can give me a few names.
>>
>
>
> The first thing you'll need to understand is that, under American law, you
> have no legal standing to be making any complaints in the matter as you've
> described it, unless your son is under 18 years of age. As the alleged
> victim, your son is the one who must contact the authorities. As you're in
> Singapore (and haven't said where your son is living), you might try
> consulting someone at the American Consulate.
>
>
> --
>
> Bruce Chambers
>
> Help us help you:
> http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
>
> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/kb/555375
>
> They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
> safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin
>
> Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. ~Bertrand
> Russell
>
> The philosopher has never killed any priests, whereas the priest has
> killed a great many philosophers.
> ~ Denis Diderot