[OT] Did you try ReactOS?

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Kerem Gümrükcü

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Hi,

did you ever try ReactOS and if yes, what
do you think about it.?

Yesterday i had the chance to run my first
QEMU emulated ReactOS and it looks fine
for me, except that it is not that stable and is
missing lots of windows functionality at all.
Sure it is still Alpha state but looks great!

What do you think?

Regards

Kerem

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Alexander Grigoriev

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What's the whole point of this cloning exercise?

"Kerem Gümrükcü" <kareem114@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Hi,
>
> did you ever try ReactOS and if yes, what
> do you think about it.?
>
> Yesterday i had the chance to run my first
> QEMU emulated ReactOS and it looks fine
> for me, except that it is not that stable and is
> missing lots of windows functionality at all.
> Sure it is still Alpha state but looks great!
>
> What do you think?
>
> Regards
>
> Kerem
>
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Don Burn

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More to the point, why would anyone want to use it? If in the future
someone tries to release a product based on it I suspect things could get
interesting.

First, much of ReactOS uses the GNU ntifs.h which contains code stolen from
the NT4.0 DDK, and possibly more thefts since Mr. Branton the author
solicted a number of people to send him the Microsoft IFS kit when it was
under strict license.

Second, there is an amazing similarity of some routines with the Windows
2000 source that was stolen and went around the web for a while.

Finally, if you read in detail the EULA for the DDK/WDK of recent times, you
will see some potential for more fun with ReactOS.


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"Alexander Grigoriev" <alegr@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> What's the whole point of this cloning exercise?
>
> "Kerem Gümrükcü" <kareem114@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:ueBLMRuTIHA.5400@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> Hi,
>>
>> did you ever try ReactOS and if yes, what
>> do you think about it.?
>>
>> Yesterday i had the chance to run my first
>> QEMU emulated ReactOS and it looks fine
>> for me, except that it is not that stable and is
>> missing lots of windows functionality at all.
>> Sure it is still Alpha state but looks great!
>>
>> What do you think?
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Kerem
>>
>> --
>> -----------------------
>> Beste Grüsse / Best regards / Votre bien devoue
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>>
>
>


 
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Kerem Gümrükcü

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>Second, there is an amazing similarity of some routines with the Windows
>2000 source that was stolen and went around the web for a while.

Is there really that much of stolen code inside this project?


Regards

Kerem


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Volodymyr Shcherbyna

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Yes. Some modules are almost completly identical to Windows implementation.
For example, TDI.SYS.

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"Kerem Gümrükcü" <kareem114@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> >Second, there is an amazing similarity of some routines with the Windows
> >2000 source that was stolen and went around the web for a while.
>
> Is there really that much of stolen code inside this project?
>
>
> Regards
>
> Kerem
>
>
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Don Burn

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Enough that if this was stolen open source code, the open source community
would be suing the heck out of the project. My guess from what I have
looked at is that at least 30% is stolen or derived from stolen code.

The problem is that since there is no "GPL Corporation" there is no way to
sue open source, except go after individuals which is a losing game. This
is why Bo Branten is still out there since the cost of the legal action
would be orders of magnitude more than the payback.


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"Kerem Gümrükcü" <kareem114@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> >Second, there is an amazing similarity of some routines with the Windows
> >2000 source that was stolen and went around the web for a while.
>
> Is there really that much of stolen code inside this project?
>
>
> Regards
>
> Kerem
>
>
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Kerem Gümrükcü

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Hi Volodymyr,

do you mean binary-level identical, so that you could
take the image and run it on a windows e.g. 2000
System. The exports must be the same, since
they aim to be binary compatible to windows
systems, in majority to drivers, but are the algo's
the same, the internals bit-to-bit identical to ms
implementations? I mean they cant be 100% the
same, depending on the comilers output, but how
identical are they?


Regards

Kerem

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Volodymyr Shcherbyna

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No, I am talking about identical sources.

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"Kerem Gümrükcü" <kareem114@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Hi Volodymyr,
>
> do you mean binary-level identical, so that you could
> take the image and run it on a windows e.g. 2000
> System. The exports must be the same, since
> they aim to be binary compatible to windows
> systems, in majority to drivers, but are the algo's
> the same, the internals bit-to-bit identical to ms
> implementations? I mean they cant be 100% the
> same, depending on the comilers output, but how
> identical are they?
>
>
> Regards
>
> Kerem
>
> --
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Don Burn

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Yes even to the point of mis-spellings in the comments!


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"Volodymyr Shcherbyna" <v_scherbina@online.mvps.org> wrote in message
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> No, I am talking about identical sources.
>
> --
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>
> "Kerem Gümrükcü" <kareem114@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:exRtJzuTIHA.4656@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>> Hi Volodymyr,
>>
>> do you mean binary-level identical, so that you could
>> take the image and run it on a windows e.g. 2000
>> System. The exports must be the same, since
>> they aim to be binary compatible to windows
>> systems, in majority to drivers, but are the algo's
>> the same, the internals bit-to-bit identical to ms
>> implementations? I mean they cant be 100% the
>> same, depending on the comilers output, but how
>> identical are they?
>>
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Kerem
>>
>> --
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>> Beste Grüsse / Best regards / Votre bien devoue
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Kerem Gümrükcü

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>Yes even to the point of mis-spellings in the comments!

Oh!, mis-spellings too,...this is really "gross"!




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